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Hi there! When using certain templates on talk pages, such as welcome templates and user warnings, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:welcome}} instead of {{welcome}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. If you need any further help on the matter just ask me on my talk page. Cheers.·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 01:43, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 March 2012

Thanks

For alerting me to Talk:Courtyard_by_Marriott, I'll check these pages when I get a chance. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message

Thank you for the message which you left on my userpage today (March 8 2012). Thank you especially for telling me about: Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET - I have edited Wikipedia for what must be at least six years now, and in all my years of editing Wikipedia, I had never seen that ever before! I am sure it will prove to be extremely useful. Perhaps more people should be made aware that of it. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback

Merci pour vos commentaires. Si vous avez du mal avec l'anglais, vous pouvez trouver la Wikipédia en français un endroit plus approprié. Cependant, vous êtes les bienvenus ici, vous trouverez peut-être Traduire un bon projet pour s'impliquer avec.


Yunshui 雲‍水 11:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Je vous remercie mais je ne peux pas écrire sur le Wiki de langue française. Car j'étais auparavant l'utilisateur:Bon hein, alors euh du wiki francophone et j’intervenais d'un IP communautaire. Ceci explique mon bannissement du Wiki francophone avec 8 autres utilisateurs sous une accusation de faux-nez massif. Je ne peux donc plus contribuer en français sur le Wiki. --Vieux supporteur de hockey féminin (talk) 11:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
"Faux-nez": ce terme belle! Nous appelons cela sockpuppetry ici.
Bien que je communique (mal) en français, il est généralement prévu que les éditeurs ici commenter en anglais - tout le monde ne possède une connaissance de base du français (ou Google Translate!). Alors que vous ne pouvez avoir une compréhension limitée de l'anglais, vous devriez toujours utiliser l'anglais ici. Pauvre en anglais est plus facile de comprendre que le français bon pour la plupart des éditeurs! Yunshui 雲‍水 11:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

AfD

Hello Yunshui:

Re the deletion of my article per your note entitled: "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Junkins"

This decision is acceptable to me. This article was my first attempt to post on Wikipedia and evidently I did not pay sufficient dues to conform to your cultural and style issues. However the content is just factual biographical information - few adjectives are use - and the information therein can be readily verified by checking links and references provided. I don't have a great deal of time to invest in becoming a master Wikipedian, but I would be interested in correcting the style of the article if the price in terms of my time is not too great.

Best regards, 165.91.182.132 (talk) 18:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC) John Junkins, March 9, 2012

I was actually notifying you on behalf of the nominator, who had failed to do so. That said, I do agree with him - the article fails the notability requirements for inclusion, and fixing the style won't solve that. See WP:PROF for the specialised criteria for academics; if you can demonstrate an unambiguous pass of any of these, then the article should be kept. Yunshui 雲‍水 18:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC) Actually, scratch most of that; I hadn't seen the full text of the AfD discussion when I posted the above reply. Look as though you pass the professor test, congratulations! However, I'd advise against involving yourself in the article much; see WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. If you see things that need changing, it would be prudent to discuss them on the article's talk page rather than making any direct changes. Yunshui 雲‍水 18:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

adoption

Adopt me

30xelawalex03 (talk) 21:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:POINT discussion

There is a discussion going on with regards to changes made to WP:POINT.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:45, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Katsuaki Asai

I have put the article on Katsuaki Asai up for discussion at AfD. Since we seem to disagree about his notability I thought an AfD discussion was the best way to decide. Papaursa (talk) 19:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:01, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
That nomination was a mistake on my part (yesterday was a bad day). I'm still not seeing the notability of Tsutomu Yukawa. Why is he notable? Simply being a student of Ueshiba is not grounds for notability. Papaursa (talk) 00:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
No, but coverage in reliable sources, per the general notability guideline, is. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
That's true if the coverage is "significant", but I don't think 1 line mentions qualify as significant. Papaursa (talk) 21:44, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Being Gentler to Newbies

Hello, I am the Wikipedia Regional Ambassador for New EnglandI've noticed that you have been involved in administration of some of the pages that students from that domain have been creating and editing. I would like to politely ask that perhaps some gentler and more welcoming tact could be used, even if you must take action on their articles for policy non-compliance. The Professors and other Campus Ambassadors certainly do their best to explain all policies beforehand, but not every student - like most new editors - get's it right the first time. The Education Program has been very successful in creating lasting editors, between 5-10% of students go on to be willing editors in their own right after they finish the program, which is significantly higher than the editor/readership ratio. Please then help us to further our joint mission of increasing editorship by trying not not biting the newbies, but perhaps guiding them. Maximilianklein (talk) 04:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you perhaps give me some examples? I haven't taken any action on any of their articles beyond moving a few of them to the correct namespace - certainly I haven't tagged any for deletion, or even cleanup - and the only communication I've had with any of the students consist of two notes on User:Kkonop's talk page; one politely advising him/her that I'd executed a page move and another advising him/her of the policy on original research. I don't view either of these as in the least bit bitey.
If you look over my contributions, you'll see that I'm an active user of the Feedback dashboard, an Adopter, a contributor to the helpdesk and a responder to newbie questions. I actually take considerable pains to help new users, so your accusation is thus somewhat hurtful. I'd appreciate you backing it up with diffs. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, sorry, I see now that I had your activity confused with another's because I misread a discussion which you were a part of. My apologies, this was unfounded. Thank you for actually being a very welcoming editor. Maximilianklein (talk) 15:28, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for clearing that up. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for your award! Please, if there is anything you need help with, I'd be happy to help you with!Curb Chain (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure; it was well deserved! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 March 2012

TrueBlood12 blocked and page deleted

Hi Yunshui,

Thanks for your report on WP:AIV. I've indef blocked the account as vandalism-only, I've deleted his user page (as they requested in the MfD) and closed the MfD. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Tom! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Hi, just wanted to say thank you for your advice about my work on A Sting in a Tale. I think I have an idea of what more reliable sources are, but I couldn't find any pages from the help desk that specify exactly what type of sources to look for or avoid. If you know where I could find some general guidlines about source types could you please post on my talk page?

Thank you, LizmSJSU (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Editor review

Hello, Yunshui! Thanks for your review. I indeed overuse WikiLove :)! Well, I am a member of WikiProject Biology, and I am working specially in WikiProject Equine. I can not be active for a month, so is my work. Well, just remember I may count upon you if I need your help, I see you are a good editor! Thanks again.--Sainsf <^> (talk) 11:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Keep up the good work (and do feel free to drop me a line if you ever need a hand). Yunshui 雲‍水 11:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

CSD notification

The page George Crayton, Jr. looks like it may be a valid CSD, but I prefer not to delete a page unless the creator has been notified. I understand that sometimes automated tools fail to do the notification for some reason. Not sure if that was the case, but could you make the notification?SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:47, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Gladly; it's done. Since the creator was an SPA from June last year who vanished after creating this article, I'd figured there wasn't much point in notifying them (although I see that I did so for the AfD). Yunshui 雲‍水 13:56, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
You make a good point that the notification is almost pointless, however, I "mechanically" check for notifications, (except for g3,g7,and G10). I've deleted it.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually, it's you that makes a good point - it's best practice to always notify article creators of intended deletions, even if they haven't edited in forever. Thanks for pulling me up on it. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:07, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 March 2012

Sorry.....

I didnt see that the page was created by u so added WIKIFY to it. If it were created by u, i m sure that u would wikifyed in a short time. But, i was just doing my job. Anyways, i just left this talk to keep our wikirelation alive! Yasht101 10:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I spotted that... I wasn't quite sure why you'd added the tag, actually; at the time you tagged it the article was formatted according to MOS (barring a couple of lines of whitespace), and only really lacked an infobox (which isn't exactly mandatory). Apology (although unnecessary) accepted of course, but out of curiosity, what prompted you to request wikification? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
No infobox. please dont kill me for that Yasht101 10:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Well that's fair enough, if a bit premature. For future reference, you can usually specify what needs correcting with vague tags like {{wikify}} with a reason= parameter; so {{wikify|reason=Needs infobox}} would give subsequent editors a better idea of the problem. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Alright, i wasnt aware of it. I'll use it. Thanks! Yasht101 14:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar
Are you a magician? See this edit. You corrected the error on the same minute I made it. And right after that (on the very same minute) I tried to edit it and got an "Edit conflict" message! Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 09:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Adoption offer

Hi Yunshui! Thank you for offering to mentor me. I'm actually looking to create an article (specifically, a biography); do you have any tips? Thank you! Astadelic (talk) 23:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Astadelic. Good biographies are among the more tricky Wikipedia articles to create, especially if the subject is still alive. Assuming that they are currenly drawing breath, your article will be held to high standards of verifiability - details can be found in the Biogrpahies of living people policy.
The best way to start is to look up all the sources you can find on the subject, and weed out those which don't meet Wikipedia's standards; basically, no blogs, gossip sites, IMDb entries or YouTube videos. Google News and Google Books are usually good places to start looking. From the sources that remain, glean as much information as possible about the subject, and stick it all in one place - I would suggest you start working on the article in your personal sandbox (redlinked because it doesn't exist yet; click on the link and edit the page to create it). Then it's simply a case of organising and formatting the information; take a look at other articles in the Biographies category and the Manual of style to see how this should be done.
I'd be happy to help out; let me know who you're writing about and where you're building your draft (if not in your sandbox) and I'll chip in. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

My List

I have created a list and i have included ur name in it. I hope u dont mind that. You can view it over Here! Yasht101 :) 04:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I am honoured to find myself in such illustrious company, thank you! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Roy Suenaka Wikipage

Hi Yunshui. Thanks for your re-creation of Sensei Suenaka's Wikipage; the original was deleted in January by Fastily. I posted to his talk page at that time. Once again, the page has been tagged for lack of reliable sourcing. I just wanted to apologize for being a bit slow on this (noob here) and to let you know I will try to update the page asap and attempt to bring it to Wikipedia's BLP standards. Feedback and/or tips are appreciated :) Thanks! CyWyss (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi CyWyss. Thanks for reminding me - I'd forgotten that I'd started that page. Additional sources would be good, as would a more extended biography (I worked from the Google Books version of Complete Aikido, but it's only got limited page views; I haven't dug my dead-tree copy out to finish it off yet). If you want to have a crack at making improvements, be my guest; I don't own the article, after all! Stick to reliable sources and verifiable information and it's all good. Thanks for helping! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage

I need your assistance in developing and spreading a wikiproject. Can you help me in developing and spreading this page in wikipedia: Wikipedia:Wikipedia for World Heritage

Thank you and Happy editing! Yasht101 :) 06:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yasht. I'd recommend publicising this at the Village Pump to attract participants. Personally I'm not sure what I'd be able to bring to the project, although I'll certainly sign the petition. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Reply

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Editor review/Yasht101's talk page. Yasht101 :) 00:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 March 2012

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Rectifying Vandalism

You are deleting shinty pages created by a long term user, I assume you are trolling by your actions as these clubs are all notable and are widely quoted articles on other parts of the Web. Cornwall Shinty Club had several references which would have linked to why the club and the fact that shinty is played in Cornwall and England is a notable development that is part of the wider shinty pages on the Wikipedia. Please rectify your own vandalism Sologoal (talk) 12:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

You'll find that the page in question - a single article, not the multiple pages to which you seem to refer - was in fact deleted by JamesBWatson. I can't "rectify my own vandalism", because I did not delete the page. The Cornwall Shinty Club page, when I encountered it, lacked any third-party references, and from a brief search on my part, appeared to fail the notability guidelines, hence the A7 tag I applied to it - JamesBWatson clearly concurred, since if it had been suitably referenced he would have declined the speedy. If you want the page restored, you should ask him for undeletion here.
You might also want to bone up on what actually constitutes vandalism - accusing good-faith editors of vandalism and trolling could easily be construed as a personal attack. I recognise that you're annoyed about the deletion of the article, but the solution to that is to request undeletion and provide appropriate sources, not to insult the people who tagged it - correctly, it would seem - for deletion. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 April 2012

AfC Declines

Hi Yunshui, Thanks for your reviewing work at AfC. I'm currently monitoring recent changes on AfC declines, due to some problems raised recently at the AfC HelpDesk (don't worry... not about you). I just wanted to ask if you would consider declining unreferenced or insufficiently referenced submissions on notability grounds, rather than verifiability grounds (unless the submission make a clear and unambiguous claim to notability)? The reviewing instructions have recently been amended to explain why. Best. Pol430 talk to me 22:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I've been using the reviewer script recently rather than doing AfC manually, but I'm relatively new to it's use and so may have been using the wrong template by mistake. I'll review the template messages and try to make sure I choose the notability template wherever it applies.
Good to see this update to the reviewing instructions; hopefully we won't need A7 quite as often now! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

About contribution for Breath Counter

Thanks :) Abhijeet Safai (talk) 02:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Any time! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

In Response To Your Comment (concerning Water Warriors)

I could be wrong, but I believe you're misunderstanding my point. If there was an article about a celebrity, and part of the article was about an infamous post she made on her blog, wouldn't you link directly to the blog post as a primary source? This is the same thing; I'm linking to something a popular water warrior said on Yahoo. By the way, could you delete some of the tags? Half of them are redundant and/or unnecessary. Martianshark (talk) 23:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)martianshark

Hi Martianshark. As it happens, no, we wouldn't - we'd source the information to news sources that covered the offending blog post and its aftermath. Primary sources are generally discouraged on Wikipedia - not to say that they're absolutely taboo, but they should be used with extreme caution.
However, with regard to your Yahoo answers source, it's not usable by virtue of being user-generated content - we have no way, for example, of verifying that the poster is in fact who they claim to be. Whether it is a primary source or not is largely a secondary concern. If the poster has published his views in a reliable publication, then that's different - we'd use it cautiously, but I suspect we could find a way of including the information. Forum sites such as Yahoo Answers, though, are inadmissible. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

adoption

sorry i havnt responded in a long while. I have been very busy. But yes, i am interested for you to be my mentor! is thier anything that i can help with? let me know!:) thanx!--Cheyenne (talk) 22:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. This is a bit of a flyby response (I've only got about five minutes' wikitime at present), but I'll be online properly on Tuesday; I'll drop you a line with a proper reply then. Look forward to working with you. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

File:Chocolate-Easter-Bunny.jpg

Happy Easter! Hope your day is great! Yasht101 11:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 April 2012

Joseph Farey Copyright

Hullo. I am the author of the Biographical Dictionary of Civil Engineers article about Joseph Farey, and the WP piece has been condensed from it. I am therefore the copyright holder. I published a great deal of work on the Farey family, as you will see if you look at the references to John Farey, jr Kind regards Apwoolrich (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Apwoorich. Apologies if I tagged in haste. I fear, however, that the copyright for this text lies with ICE publishing - leastways the book's title page does not appear to designate author copyright. In order to use it, we would therefore require permission from them as the publisher, rather than from you as the author. That said, the amount of text copied should fall under fair use, so on reflection there probably isn't a violation of copyright here.
As you're an old hand here I expect you're already familiar with the copyright donation process, but it might be worth raising an OTRS ticket when you create articles like this, to avoid over-zealous editors like myself wielding the {{db-g12}} tag. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Any chance...

... you could opt in to the edit counter? (http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&name=Yunshui) Quite helpful for anyone who wants to review your edits as a whole. WormTT · (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Lots of colourful new graphs added. Quite interesting for me too, actually. Thanks for the suggestion. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Dirty Radio deletion

Hi there. Thanks for your response. Would you be able to provide me with the text of the deleted article so I could have another go at it? I have read the conflict of interest guidelines, and since I am not actually a member of the band or staff, I figure I should be ok (notwithstanding we are friends and that my username has some relation to their music, which was mostly done so it didn't look like I was trying to hide it). Further, I do note that the link provided as a source (billboard canadian emerging artists charts) contained evidence of significant national radio play, which seems to meet a notability guideline, but I suppose that is up for interpretation. I note that the editor who deleted this doesn't consider the canadian emerging artists chart as notable, but I would disagree (considering the artists who are on it). Either way, there are a few additional sources (I was just not sure how to properly reference) including http://viewmagazine.ca/2012/01/tale-of-a-rising-pop-group-thanks-to-hard-work-humility-and-talent-dirty-radio-are-set-for-a-fairy-tale-ending/ and http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Sngcde=DIRTGS1&ob=1&format=XX and http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Sngcde=DIRTMH&ob=1&format=XX and http://addboard.mediabase.com/SongAddHistory.asp?Sngcde=DIRTWR&ob=1&format=XX

Thanks.

Heratixmusic (talk) 16:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Heratixmusic. As a non-admin, I'm afraid I can't restore the deleted text, however I will ask Bearcat if they'd be amenable to userfying it temporarily. The Vancouver View source you've listed is a good start, and would certainly be a valuable source; the Addboard ones are not. I suggest taking a look at the guideline for identifying reliable sources; this will give you an idea of what's needed. Basically, the band needs to have been featured (i.e. more than a passing mention or listing) in multiple (i.e. more than just one (obviously!)) professionally published (i.e. not blogs or student magazines) sources. Vancouver View is one, another similar article in a different publication would scrape past WP:GNG.
I'll let you know once I hear back from Bearcat. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I see you've already made the undeletion request; I'll add my comments to that. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
How does one go about satisfying the notability requirement of showing national radio airplay usually? The addboard is a mediabase site, and mediabase is the primary source to show which radio stations have added a track across the country in Canada. Any other suggestions on how one would demonstrate national radio airplay? Heratixmusic (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
As far as I can see (and I could be mistaken; Canadian radio isn't exactly a specialty of mine) the Addboard entries show very light rotation among a number of local radio stations - I haven't checked them all, but none of those I have looked at broadcast nationally. WP:BAND states that a group may be notable if they have been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio or music television network - that doesn't seem to be demonstrated here. As far as alternative suggestions go, Nielsen BDS is pretty much standard for that sort of data. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC) I note that you're already using the BDS Emerging Canadian Artists chart; it's not perfect but it's certainly a valid source. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Any chance you want to take a look and see if you can suggest any further improvements? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Radio Thanks! Heratixmusic (talk) 04:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I see Bearcat's userfied the article for you (so now I can actually see it!). It doesn't actually need much doing to it. I'd suggest the following:

  • Remove the blog, facebook and Twitter links from the External links section - per WP:EL, whilst the band's official site is an acceptable external link, these aren't.
  • Remove the external links to the band's discography - again, this is contrary to WP:EL.
  • Source some content to the Vancouver View Magazine article that you linked above - either use it as a reference for something already in the article, or add some text. This is far and away your best source, so use it!

After that, I reckon you could probably move it to mainspace. Once it's there, categorise it (Category:Canadian musical groups is the most obvious one) and them set about finding more sources: interviews (Bearcat seems to suggest there's a radio interview out there?), articles and reviews will all count far more towards notability than chart listings. Best of luck; drop me a line if you need a hand. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:26, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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When did you start it? Gosh! I don't want to miss this...

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Editor review/Yunshui's talk page. Yasht101 16:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Downside School

Hello Yunshui. Thank you for your helpful setting up of a new section on the Downside School talk page. I have added to the discussion there and hope a resolution can be achieved that suits all parties. However, I do think the apparent threats that Denhaagandy has made against an editor at her User talk:Purplewowies page on this matter may go beyond what is acceptable in Wikipedia. (Please see the section headed "Leave Downside as is" on that page). I have received similar, perhaps milder threats on my page from him/her. I would be interested in your advice on this. Regards, Peteinterpol (talk) 08:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Peteinterpol. I fear Denhaagandy is on track for a block; editors have been indeffed for far less in the past. I will try and give him some advice on his userpage, but there's a definite whiff of WP:NOTHERE and more than a little WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT surrounding his edits. The threats, though fairly mild by Wikipedia standards, are concerning as well. Hopefully, he can be persuaded to rein in this behaviour; if not, I suggest one of us takes him to ANI.
By the way, I'd be wary of making any further reverts to the Downside School article yourself. Whilst I agree with your position (and I'm pretty sure the community does too), you are still technically involved in an edit-war, and that's frowned upon by most admins. If the section gets blanked again, I would strongly suggest you leave it alone until the issue with Denhaagandy is concluded; after that, we can fix the article per consensus. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Noted, that sounds sensible advice. Peteinterpol (talk) 09:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I would point out I do not threaten anybody. That is just a waste of time. I make promises that are kept. I would also point out that I have access to many thousands of ip addresses being in the Hitech industry. I am also the boss which means I have limitless time. I will continue to remove such tripe. There is a place for a shortened article. The article as is is too prominent and it is bigger than any section on Downside. For the abbey, the organs are very important as is the community's place within the church. For the school as well as the abbey the architecture is also very important. In the paragraph provided there are untruths. Wikipedia is supposed to be a free online encyclopaedia. We ought to be able to check sources easily otherwise the whole project then goes into the realms of conjecture, spin and counter spin. I do not object to a paragraph on the abuse, but it does need its place and it does need to be truthful. The latest OFSTED report is not mentioned. Only the previous one. The Latest one says Downside complies with ALL recommendations from the precious one in 2011.

In short, until the text is agreed, it does not get put on the page. We need to place it in the right spot. I am suggesting towards the end. Then I am happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denhaagandy (talk • contribs) 10:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

can I report you to ANI for not understanding the English language? I think it is absolutely dispicable of you to say such nasty things against a community who cannot defend themselves. Where is the justice in that. All I mentioned is that in this case if you breach the law, then the law ought to defend the defenceless. I have written an extensive piece which I hope will get a reasoned response and then we can post an appropriate part of the page. I am goings to report you to ANI for abuse — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denhaagandy (talk • contribs) 12:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Just to make this totally clear: This is not a content issue. Whether the Child abuse section belongs in the Downside article or not is a wholly separate debate. The problem here, and the reason you were reported to ANI, is your behaviour: persistent edit-warring, threats (both legal and personal) and repeated refusals to accept that you have done anything wrong. The legal threats and edit warring are both separately sufficient grounds for an immediate block.
Feel free to report me to ANI for whatever reason you can come up with, but - and I mean this as friendly advice - you will be wasting your time. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

My dear friend. The child abuse happened, but it should be in its rightful place and not at 1.2. We need to agree on the text also. The text as is , is not correct and would be subject to legal proceedings. I do not want that to happen. As I have mentioned before I never make threats. We do or we do not. I have contributed to the page and I suggest you read it. This should be used as the basis of the child abuse- 2 pupils over 30 years many thousands not abused. I have given a true account of what happened in terms of Downside, which acted correctly In terms of the Law and went further. The contributor seems to have something against Downside and reported it in a completely. Please withdraw your report to ANI

You really aren't getting this, are you? The ANI report has nothing to do with the content at Downside School. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm a bit suspicious of what is going on at Downside Abbey and Downside School. Within a couple of hours of Denhaagandy being blocked, a new user called ‎Potty1234 has started repeatedly blanking out exactly the same sections...... Peteinterpol (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I've added the probable sock to the ANI thread - I suspect he'll be handed a prompt block, but if necessary I'm happy to file an SPI report; the coincidence (combined with his "I've got all the time and IPs in the world!" comment above) sounds like a loud and persistent QUACK to me. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Looks like he's back again under a new ID (Bunglezippy). I guess anyone can keep on setting up new IDs ad infinitum. He has left the following threat on my talk page:
"downside
we are now coming for you - i suggest you contact the police, but that wont help you. you should have contributed to the talk page before posting what you did. sadly, you did not. sadly for you that is. get what protection you can. it will come and normally later than the police can give you protection for. it is a sad day for you and your family but you had to push it. yes you are right damn right but you will be in just thesame place as if you were wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunglezippy (talk • contribs) 23:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)"
Not sure what can be done about this but once the restrictions are lifted on the two articles, I suspect we haven't seen the last of him. Thanks for your help in this weary saga.....
Peteinterpol (talk) 05:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll post that here, but it goes for all involved: I've hardblocked the new sock, but the seriousness of the threats makes me think that it is really time to contact the police. Alas, I'm not savvy enough to do that, but I'd say to let the ANI thread stay open, and would you be so kind as to put my comment over there to, as I will not be able to edit more today. Heads up, 109.45.0.1 (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2012 (UTC) (User:Lectonar, from smartphone.
Those are pretty serious threats (I see he posted something similar at AndieM's talkpage). Toothless, of course, but still worthy of investigation. I will copy Lectonar's comments across to ANI, and I've asked The Bushranger to reopen the ANI thread. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Talebs16

Thanks for your message on my talk page. I have replied there. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 April 2012

Speedy deletion nomination of Council for the Registration of Schools Teaching Dyslexic Pupils

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I have declined it, when I see this, it reminds me of myself 2 months ago :) Yasht101 06:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Galleries of justice

Really impressed that you welcomed Galleries of Justice. They are currently being trained to use Wikipedia and about conflict of interest. They will be correcting their page and not peacocking it as they are aware of the COI issues. Hope thats OK Galleries of justice (talk) 09:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Not to dampen your (their?) ardour, but from your response it looks as though the account User:Galleries of justice is being used by more than one person. That's a major no-no here; see WP:NOSHARE. Due to the need for attribution, a user account may only represent one person.
The most appropriate way to edit the Galleries of Justice page, if that's your primary intent, would be to pose your proposed edits on the article talkpage. That way, other editors can decide whether or not to add it, and you can avoid conflict of interest problems. Most importantly, though, is the note above - if you have multiple users, you must register multiple accounts. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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World Monetary Fund

What would Jesus do about suing the WMF? He'd probably cast a spell on them with his magical powers.Promontorylink (talk) 08:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Woodleigh School

Thank you for the clarification. I have contacted the school directly, in my role as Administrator for CReSTeD, they have been instructed and agreed to remove all references to CReSTeD from their website as they are no longer registered with us. The report they refer to is, for your reference, out of date since we stipulate that schools must be revisited every 3 years to maintain CreSTeD status. Any information giving parents the impression the school is currently endorsed by CReSTeD is misleading.

I apologise for the tit for tat war which may appear to have been going on, please put this down to my "newbism" as regards wikipedia editing. However, I do feel it incumbent upon wikipedia to do some of its own homework. CReSTeD clearly states which schools are current [1] and the rules which govern registration on its website [2] and in a printed register which available by post, shouldn't the person who keeps putting this citation back be told it is incorrect if, as in this case, wikipedia has been told. Another user, Ohnoitsjamie, has offered me a nugget of support for which I am grateful.

I will once more contact the school directly and remind them of their original agreement. Thank you. LesleyfarrarLesleyfarrar (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad I could help. We usually do get the correct information on Wikipedia eventually, largely thanks to editors like yourself. Don't worry overmuch about the edit warring - nobody expects new editors to know all the rules stright off. Thanks for helping to make the encyclopedia better. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Please do note remove referenced material. There is no claim to current membership in the article. The past membership and inspection is cited and referenced. If this is removed again the matter will be raised as an edit war. The user Lesley farrar do not have wp:npov 213.246.90.36 (talk) 11:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion on Talk:Woodleigh School, North Yorkshire, please discuss this and gain consensus there before reverting again. In addition, please do not refer to good faith edits as vandalism, or throw around accusations of sockpuppetry, as you did in this edit summary - such statements constitute personal attacks. If you genuinely believe that User:Lesleyfarrar created this account three years ago and racked up over 8,000 edits on it purely so that he could use it to support a single edit made on his newly registered account this week, then SPI is thataway - good luck... Yunshui 雲‍水 12:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Obfuscation. The user removed referenced material without good reason, without checking the edit history and repeatedly Furthermore there is an admitted WP:NPOV issue and the user has not gained consensus and has not used the article talk page. That is clear vandalism 213.246.90.36 (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, no, it isn't. There is no WP:NPOV violation, as the tone of the article is not altered by the edit (I suspect you meant to accuse me of WP:COI, also demonstrably incorrect). I have not only used the article talkpage, I actually started the discussion there, in response to your edit-warring. Consensus, in pure majority terms, favours removing the information, since you are the only editor who insists on restoring it.
I have reverted your edit one last time, please discuss to conclusion on the talkpage before making any further changes. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:18, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
How rude and subjective you are! As I have already said, and others it would seem, the onus is on you to gain consensus before removing established and referenced material. You have not. You have tried to make it appear that you have by merely referring to the talk page, but the edit history clearly demonstrates that you have been removing the material without consensus, edit warring and I have been restoring the content as a result. Good luck with your complaint. It's a shame we have editors of your ilk on WP. 213.246.90.36 (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I feel honour bound to state that my membership of wikipedia is less than a week old ( sorry but I don't know the right way to do this, my user name is Lesleyfarrar,) , I am not trying to destroy any ones reputation nor vandalise a wiki page. I made the original deletion in all honesty, the second deletion was actually because I thought I had done something incorrectly the first time. I work for CReSTeD, I am the part-time administrator employed to look after the running of the organisation. I won't go into details having said my piece on the talk page Yunshui set up. By the way "he" is a "she" (me). I have no idea what a sock puppet is but I think I should be offended. Thank you to Yunshui and others for their support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesleyfarrar (talk • contribs) 23:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

RE your recent comment. Agreed for the most part - but can you honestly say what these two are doing isn't trolling or bordering on? There really isn't any positive intent behind any of their actions on the talk page. It's entirely negative. Please look at the comments within the last half hour.213.246.125.63 (talk) 00:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually, what I'm seeing is a number of editors attempting to assess the sources in the article according to Wikipedia guidelines - there are some differing interpretations of these guidelines, which is causing a degree of friction. Friction, I might add, which is not in any way diffused by your repeated insults. Yes, User:Salimfadhley should not have repeatedly insisted you clarify your position in relation to the school. No, accusing him of being a troll was not the appropriate response. Wikipedia is not a battleground; we are expected to work together as a community - levelling accusations of vandalism and trolling at anyone who disagrees with you is counterproductive. One readily apparent reason why it's unhelpful is that it tends to put other editors backs up: arguing, "yes, but have you considered WP:POLICY" is more likely to generate discussion than, "you're a troll, fuck off." Yunshui 雲‍水 21:39, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Louis Cole

The article Louis Cole has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Seems to fall under WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS.

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PROD removed at Louis Cole

Hi Excirial. Just letting you know I removed the PROD tag on this article - Cole has been in the news for quite some time, although I had only added recent references stemming from his fish-eating incident, so I can see why you'd cite WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS. I've now added a couple of sources from last year to show that he's notable for more than just one event. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, it really looked like another one of the "This was just in the news" article's, especially since it seemed to attract vandals like honey attracts flies. With the extra sources dating last year i guess it passes both policies. Though i kind of hope that there are no copycats thinking "Hey, eating live animals gets me on the news and Wikipedia". :) Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 14:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Hopefully anyone dappy enough to think that will start by attempting to eat a live bear, thus simultaneously a) removing themselves from the gene pool and b) rendering themselves newsworthy for one event only, and thus making themselves ineligible for an article. Although I suppose BLP wouldn't really apply then, would it... Yunshui 雲‍水 22:19, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 April 2012

DYK for Chikaraishi

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about the message and thank you for being so nice!
I've been looking through your edited articles and they're excellently written. Well done. JacksonStone857 (talk) 16:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Request for help

Hi there Yunshui. Saw your note on my talk page about Chikaraishi. I'll gladly help with the article, but I'm afraid I know nothing about the subject. My Japanese reading ability isn't that great either. It's mostly very time-consuming as I try to remember what the characters represent. My Japanese skill is mostly in the spoken language, as I can understand Japanese speakers just fine. Anyway, I just celebrated Queen's Day and am nursing something of hangover. :) I'll see what I can do later this week.--Atlan (talk) 21:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Atlan. Don't put yourself out - I picked you from the list of Japanese-speaking editors because a) you're currently active, which a lot of names on that list aren't, and b) I noticed some of your contributions at ANI the other week and thought, "I like the cut of this fellow's jib." If it's not your cup of tea, I'm happy to pester someone else instead. Happy day-after-Queen's-Day-day! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:18, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Now this is amazing... You doing great in reverting vandalism. I see that in your last 500 edits, most of them were excellent reverts, Thats inspiring! Keep it up... Yasht101 10:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Yash (but only "most of them"?!). I installed Igloo earlier in the week, and it is, frankly, awesome; best anti-vandal tool I've found so far (sorry Twinkle - I still love you too!). Yunshui 雲‍水 10:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi, I just wanted to leave a note saying thank you for partcipating in my RFA, and your comments will be taken on board and acted upon. Hopfully, I will be of a level you can support in a future RFA. MrLittleIrish (talk) © 13:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Now that's exactly the sort of response to criticism I'd expect from a good candidate. I have no doubt that you'll make an excellent admin one day. Clock up another few thousand edits and have another go; I look forward to !voting Support next time round. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui

Hello,

I appreciate your concern over the copy right legislation and I apologise if I conflicted with this! Is it possible to get the work iv done put back up there so as to be able to rephrase the copied sections? As need to get this page completed by tomorrow and have been working hard on it! To say the least, further, there is only a limited amount copied from the pages other than the most recently added sections. Would greatly appreciate your cooperation. Thanks Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 19:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Josh. Thanks for being open to discussing this. Unfortunately, we can't host copyrighted content, even for a short time. To be on the safe side, I reverted all of your edits (since all the ones I looked at were copyvios, it seemed best to err on the side of caution and excise the lot). However, if some of the content you added was not copied from the sources, it would be okay to add that back in. The correct process would be to add it back by making further edits, however if your assignment is due tomorrow I suggest doing the following:
  1. Revert my edit to the page - go to the page history (the View history tab at the top) and find my edit, then click the "Undo" button next to it.
  2. In the edit window that appears, go through and remove or substantially rephrase all the text which you know to be copied from other sites.
  3. Save the page. You should be able to do this in one edit (use the Preview button at the bottom of the editing window to see how your changes will look before saving.
Problem hopefully solved. Incidentally, can you tell your professor to use the Wikimedia Education Program next time he wants to do something like this? His failure to prepare you properly for editing Wikipedia has caused you and many of your fellow students undue stress and has increased the likelihood of your failing the module (due to editors like myself correcting your edits). We have a number of outreach programmes in place for universities, and we're happy to assist, but we need to be contacted first. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll make sure none of these issues reoccur as I go through it now but please make comments if theres any problems as i put up the sections that looked copied! Thanks again and ill have a chat to my tutor. Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 20:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! Realise you deleted one of the pictures i uploaded too... how do you put pictures from a public domain up without breaching copy right?? And so that it actually appears on the wiki page?! Bit casual harassment but guessed you'd know as an editor! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaEBarker (talk • contribs) 21:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

(If I may butt in here) – the image deletion wasn't done by Yunshui; that was me. (Oh noes, that guy again; I know.) The answer to your question is: you don't upload it, because it isn't actually in the public domain. You took that image from [3], which not only doesn't say it's public domain; it actually explicitly says "© T. Chilton". Taking that photograph and claiming it was your own was not cool. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Not sure if I should comment here or at User talk:JoshuaEBarker, but since the discussion seems to take place here, I'm commenting here. The pictures were deleted by a different user, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, because they had been identified as copyright violations. If a photo is in the public domain, there is no copyright to violate. However, you need to confirm that the photos indeed are in the public domain. In the UK, this normally requires that the photographer died at least 70 years ago. Wikipedia cares more about US copyrights, though. British photos are in the public domain in the United States if they were published somewhere before 1923 and are almost always copyrighted in the United States if they haven't been published before 1923. Photos on the Internet are usually recent photos, so they are copyrighted and can almost never be uploaded here.
I deleted a section from the article you are editing because the section appears to have been copied from an external website, but I see that you reinstated the text. Please don't do that; Wikipedia only accepts free content. I am aware that you added a few words here and there, but the text still looks too similar to the original. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Wait a second, you deleted even the intro sentence, which was there well before Joshua edited the page? And as you were pointing to [4], that page appears to consist mostly of old public domain stuff – it may be quite outdated, but there's probably no copyright issue there. Am I missing something? (But we should probably move this away from poor Yunshui's page ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Oops! I didn't see the 1894 year on that page. My fault. I checked that the majority of the text wasn't in Special:PermanentLink/490346287 which is what the article looked like after Yunshui's reversal and that the version in the article was formulated quite differently.
I agree: we should probably move this to the article talk page. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for chipping in, chaps - I was in bed. I'll move this thread over to Talk:Esh, County Durham in case the discussion needs to continue there. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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