Talk:Shelly Yachimovich

Common name?

Number 57 has just moved this article to Shelly Yachimovich, claiming that it's the common name. Can anyone support this claim? The Knesset site spells it Yacimovich and her own site uses Yehimovitz. So, what is the rationale for the move? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 18:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The English portal of the Knesset website isn't authoritative for romanized spellings. Shmuel Platto [sic; Flatto] Sharon was corrected there some years ago after I queried it. A more recent query on its Beryl Raptor [sic; Berl Repetor] has gone unanswered for months and apparently requires follow-up. I'll check back here too. -- 93.172.65.45 (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Further: the Hebrew page says her parents are Polish Holocaust survivors, so her surname in that language would be spelled Yachimowicz. Her e-mail address—an indication, though not an authoritative source for surname spelling—shows an ending not romanized (i.e. from a foreign-language character set such as Hebrew) but per English transcription: yechimovich. Interim recommendation: The page name here should remain until something more conclusive and verifiable can be provided. -- Deborahjay (talk) 09:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

furthermore: Dear all, I'm afraid there has been a grave misunderstanding. There's one person who knows best how to spell her name, and that's her. She spells her name Yechimovich. An evidence is on her official biography at her official website here: http://www.shelly.org.il/node/2011. Another evidence is the way her name is spelled on the Knesset website email, syechimovich@knesset.gov.il. This spelling has been personally verified to me by Shelly's parliamentary aid. The spelling as it is today - Yachimovich - is not only incorrect but misleading and has caused numerous misspellings of her name by the international press. Tal Sokol. (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.230.85.230 (talk)

POV

The previous editors describe her journalistic beat as "feminist and socialistic." As she was published in the mainstream media, it's more likely to be "women's and social welfare" (or social justice) issues, and these descriptors are slanted (and antagonistic). Without citable evidence either way, I've made an interim edit and am recording my impressions here for follow-up. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Infobox photo and Project Israel importance assessment

According to reliable polls, Yachimovich will lead the Labor party in the upcoming elections. This article should anticipate the attention Yachimovich will be receiving.

1. At the Israeli article there's a photo in the infobox. I tried copying the name here, but it doesn't show up when I preview.
2. In light of the recent polls, the article should be assessed as at least moderately important to WikiProject Israel. (Yachimovich's lead over her competition is sizeable, including in the event of a run-off.)—Biosketch (talk) 02:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. After over three weeks of discussion, there is still no consensus for a move here. While Common Name does indeed say that "...ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined by reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources", there is both no clear consensus below that the website provided by the requestor is sufficient enough to make a name change, given the fact that it has varied on said site in the past as well as the overwhelming usage the current spelling by reliable media outlets. Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 20:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

---

Shelly Yachimovich → Shelly Yechimovich – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Dear all, I'm afraid there has been a grave misunderstanding. There's one person who knows best how to spell her name, and that's her. She spells her name Yechimovich. An evidence is on her official biography at her official website here: http://www.shelly.org.il/node/2011. Another evidence is the way her name is spelled on the Knesset website email, syechimovich@knesset.gov.il. This spelling has been personally verified to me by Shelly's parliamentary aid. The spelling as it is today - Yachimovich - is not only incorrect but misleading and has caused numerous misspellings of her name by the international press. Tal Sokol. 79.176.23.61 (talk) 18:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose Hebrew can be transliterated in a number of different ways, and Yachimovich is correct per WP:COMMONNAME. As for the international press getting it wrong, "Yachimovich" is used by the Israeli press when writing in English - Haaretz prefers it by 13,200 to 16, the Jerusalem Post by 203 to 3 and Ynetnews by 71 to 7. As noted in the discussion above, the Knesset website frequently gets it wrong. Additionally, the Russian transliteration of her name is "Яхимович", i.e. starting with the letter Ya, not Ye as you would expect if the name was prounounced "Yechimovich". Number 57 13:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
• Move I think accuracy from primary source is more important than what some media false print. This is not about commonname at all. It would be if her 'real name' was Sheila or Shlomit.--Shuki (talk) 19:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Actually, we should be very cautious about using primary sources, especially in light of overwhelming secondary source usage. See WP:PRIMARY for additional info ("Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources..."). —  AjaxSmack  23:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The primary source is the person herself. Let's say her last name was a variation of Cohen or Cohn. Who would be the right person to ask for proper spelling? The person, or some newspapers who insisted otherwise? --Shuki (talk) 21:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

• • But her "real name" is יחימוביץ. The question is how this is transliterated into English, and the most common way is "Yachimovich". Perhaps also worth noting that her personal website is not consistent, as according to the comments above, it has previously spelt her name "Yehimovitz". Number 57 10:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Indeed that's her real name as she writes it in Hebrew, because that's how it's probably written in her ID card. The state also asks you to write your name in Latin letters when you issue a passport, thus asking you to declare how do you write your name in English. If she declares it Yechimovich, I can't see how someone could claim otherwise. The fact that different newspapers decided otherwise and repeated the same spelling over and over again doesn't change her name. Take for instance the very common Hebrew pronunciation for Haim Arlozoroff: Arlozerov. If enough people mispronounce it, does it mean the name is changed? Regarding her website today, it doesn't have any more references to other spellings rather than the way she spells it herself, Yechimovich. --Tal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.23.61 (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.