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How to change article title?

I made some changes to Article: Hank (textile) but I think the name of the article should be changed to Hank (unit of measure) because it doesn't just apply to the textile industry.CMtemCA (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC) CMtemCA (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

CMtemCA Welcome to Teahouse. I just used [[ ]] on Hank (textiles), it creates a clickable link to article. Well, if you want to change the title, then there is a feature called Page move. If you are using a desktop view, open the article and at the top near the Read, Edit, View History button, there is More button click on that. And click Move after that replace the name and write the reason also there in Change summary. (For more see WP:Move and I also suggest you to read Help:Rename). — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 00:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for helping with my first edit. I have changed Hank (textile) to Hank (unit of measure). I also fixed the Hank-disambiguation page. I would now like to know whether I need to add a reference to support the statement at the end of the article about the use of the word hank in the meat industry, or if it is sufficient that a reference appears in the linked article Sausage_casing. CMtemCA (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

How can I get help to create a new wiki page?

 Zerowastetea (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Zerowastetea Welcome to Teahouse and Wikipedia, If you want to write your first article you must visit WP:FIRST . You need to write your article in draft and then you have to submit. After reading the WP:FIRST, you need to visit WP:HTCAP to read how to create a page. Hope you understand there. If any queries or help, you can ask here in teahouse. Thank you.— The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 21:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE This editor was indefinitely blocked as both having a promotional username and making promotional and copyright-violating edits. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Userpage

Hello!

So I decided to spend sometime and work on my userpage, but I keep seeing a really annoying broken template that says [[Category:Wikipedians in {{{location}}}]]. I can't seem to find where this is coming from and it's really messing it up. (I was thinking about trying to get into the User Page Hall of Fame which is why I have been doing loads of UPG edits...)

Do you know why this could be? Regards, Giraffer (munch) 22:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Giraffer. You seem to have used Template:Infobox Wikipedia user without including a "Location= " parameter. I've added it, albeit without a place name. This edit seems to have fixed it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Giraffer and welcome to the Teahouse.

{{User citizen United States}} which is on your user page, calls {{User in the United States}}, which puts the page into Category:Wikipedians in the United States and possibly some other categories. Other userboxes can make similar category assignments, which is one reason why I choose not to use them. Does that help answer your question? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:20, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Problem moving new article from sandbox

I tried to move an article from my sandbox to wikipedia and it says the article is in the headline page? Can you help? Kaunas2002 (talk) 00:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Kaunas2002 You moved the article to main space but left the coding indicating it was a sandbox. I removed it. If you are new to creating articles, it is not recommended to move it to main space yourself, it's a good idea to get some other eyes on it by running it through Articles for Creation. My recommendation would be that you move it back to draft space and do that, as I see some issues with just a quick glance at it.

If you work for Manhattan Bridge Capital, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to read and formally comply with the paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 00:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Resolving issue "relies too much on primary sources" on article I created

Hello,

I recently created an article (West Tennessee Historical Society). It was soon assigned the issue of relying to much on primary sources, with the instruction to add secondary and tertiary sources. After reading into how to resolve the issue, I took a stab at taking care of the issue myself, adding some new sources to the article's History section, but I'm uncertain where to go from here. Can anyone provide tips on how to address this issue? Thanks in advance. TazmilyKoala (talk) 01:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, TazmilyKoala, and welcome to the Teahouse. You added a cite to the Tennessee Encyclopedia, which is a good source for the article, and one to The Commerical Appeal. which mentions the society only in a single sentence. The other six cited sources are all to the web site of the society or its publications. as per our guideline on the notability of organizations there should be multiple published Independent reliable sources that each discuss the topic in some detail. As per WP:PRIMARY, Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. There should be at least three sources of quality and depth comparable to the Tennessee Encyclopedia piece, and the majority of statements in the article should be supportable by independent sources. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Time usage

An excellent question like this deserves a really good mug of tea. Enjoy!

Would it be helpful to use my time to improve established articles, or should I use my time on improving stubs instead? Blolbly (talk) 21:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your efforts and decision to contribute here. It is entirely upon your personal decision and should be based where you have your interest and knowledge of the subjects. Thank you ~ Amkgp 💬 21:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Blolbly, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yours is an incredibly sensible question, that goes right to the heart of why we all like to help build this encyclopaedia, and how we both use and value our time contribution. That's a very personal thing, but you deserve a mug of hot tea from the Teahouse for asking it!...

... my gut reaction is to suggest that you work to improve the shorter articles deemed to be of greatest importance. So, Stub or Start class articles that are of Top or High importance would be ideal targets for your attention. They are often the easiest to improve and, being assessed as highest priority, are likely to get the greatest traffic. Thus, in one of my own area of interest (the Highest Mountains of the European Alps), I would go the relevant Wikiproject (WP:WikiProject Mountains of the Alps) and look at their article assessment table (link). There I see 14 articles deemed of Top importance that are 'Start' class, and 69 'stub' articles of 'High' importance. I click the number and find these 14 articles that might interest me. Admittedly, the assessment is very subjective (see Wikipedia:Content assessment), but we have lots of Wikiprojects who have tried to make these scary-looking tables, and they can be a great place to look for ideas. The other side of the coin is that very improving very heavily viewed articles means that any change you make will be seen by lots of people (see example for Covid-19 Pandemic), though probably the individual impact of your one single edit there might be a lot less. If you'd like to tell us a little more about what subjects interest you, we might be able to offer some additional pointers. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

On the whole, improve established articles, especially ones that get rather high views, but are poor. In most areas these are not hard to find. Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Help in my created article

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amlani_MuvadI

Draft:Amlani_Muvadi — Preceding unsigned comment added by VIJAYSINH RANA 542 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@VIJAYSINH RANA 542: I cleaned up your draft for you a bit. I hope you can find additional reliable sources and write more sentences about this village. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi, The page I created (Charlie Powell Presenter))and all data connected to it (except for my edit history) has disappeared, Including my sandbox data. There is no note in my edit history by anyone. Could someone help? Spifflepoos (talk) 02:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Spifflepoos: The page was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Powell (presenter). According to our logs, you "copied from sandbox" at 16:22, March 31, 2020 to create the page. You could revive the content at creation with a former version of your sandbox, which is at this link. Otherwise, see Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 03:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Spifflepoos and welcome to the Teahouse. I must disagree with the above advice by Ganbaruby. Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion (aka WP:REFUND wheere i work a good deal) is only for restoration of uncontroversial deleted content, it will not restore pages deleted at an AfD discussion (or any other deletion discussion). To contest an AfD close, first open a discussion with th4e deleting admin, Malcolmxl5 in this case. If that is not satisfactory, the matter can be taken to deletion review. However, that is only for process errors, as a rule.

In this case the article was deleted for lack of Notability. SSo finding and adding to the draft multiple independent published reliable sources that each discuss the subject in some depth and satisfy WP:GNG, and then asking for an Afc review of the draft coulds work. Do not just move the draft back to main space without such changes, it is likely to be speedy deleted under G4 repost of deleted content.

I hope that is helpful. Feel free to ask any followup questions right here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Yup, you're right. I was just dealing with a G13 and for some reason my mind didn't switch over. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 03:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

12th Mirchi Music Awards

Hi, I am DueMue, Thanks for inviting me as a guest in Wikipedia Teahouse. I know al ost all the things like how to edit and make new page nevertheless I have a question that how can I create column like table on the winners and nominated list in the Draft:12th Mirchi Music Awards. I hope you'll surely help me out.

Lastly, once again thanks for the tea, it is so sweet☺️☺️☺️☺️ DueMue (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@DueMue: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could read Help:Table to learn the basics, and you could also copy the table from 11th Mirchi Music Awards, paste it into Draft:12th Mirchi Music Awards, and replace last year's information with this year's info. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Fixing formatting and category additions

Hi,

I'm volunteering for a wiki project to increase pages about indian women scientists. I created a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotsna_Dhawan

but it has two main issues: 1. Formatting as per WP:MOS - could you please point out some of the larger formatting flaws so that I can correct them? 2. Additional or more specific categories - I added 5 new categories to this page but it's still flagged as needing more categories. How many categories do I have to add to get rid of that tag?

Thanks! RamyaSingh7 (talk) 02:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RamyaSingh7, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please note that maintenance tags, like the one about needing more categories, are never removed automatically. Some human editor must see the tag, judge that the issue has been fixed, and remove the tag, otherwise it will stay in place even if 100 or 1000 categories have been added (which would be far too many).

Please make sure that basic metadata for all reference citation is included. The cite should never be a bare url. the title of the cited work should always be present. If that is contained in a larger work such as a magazine,m journal, or website, the3 name of that should also be present. (For websites this should be the name of the website, not its domain name. "BBC" not "bbc.co.uk".) The work name may be wiki-linked if there is an article about it, as BBC. If know, the author and publication date should be given, but do not use things like "staff editor" as an author's name. For online resources pleas give the access date (the date it was last read and checked to be valid). Those would all be helpful. Overall, looking pretty good to me. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that was super helpful! :) RamyaSingh7 (talk) 04:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

How is wikidata different from Wikipedia?

How are they different. I can't understand.just because wikidata is in all languages its different??  Machinexa (talk) 05:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: Welcome to the teahouse. Wikidata is meant to be a open-source database. Whereas Wikipedia provides information for people to read, Wikidata provides data for machines to read. After all, it's hard to program a bot to go through a sentence like "the highest point in Tennessee is Clingmans Dome" and learn that Clingmans Dome has the highest elevation in the state, partly because there are multiple ways to write that idea as a sentence in the English language, and partly because there are many other possible languages to write that idea too. Instead, Wikidata has defined "properties" and "values". For example, for the object Tennessee, we can set the property "highest point" to the value "Clingmans Dome". Therefore, if someone were to look up "Tennessee highest mountain" in Google or something, it can return "Clingmans Dome". Hope that gives you a gist of what's going on over there. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 05:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh got it. Thanks. Say hi!) 05:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Machinexa (talk) 05:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC) i love 4 tilde char ~ Machinexa (talk) 05:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

How to red flag a picture or article?

Dear fellow Wikipedians,

I have two enquiries. 1. How do you tag a template (red flag a picture or an article) ? 2. Can I remove a tagging template after addressing the issue ? 3. How to create 2 or more pages in Sandbox for 2 or more simultaneous projects ? Thanks in advance.... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Hi, and welcome to the teahouse. To add a maintenance template like Template:Unreferenced, put {{Unreferenced}} at the top of the page. You may remove it when you feel like the issue has been addressed (see Help:Maintenance template removal). You may have multiple subpages under your username, like at User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox and User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox2. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Ganbaruby: Thanks for the super fast reply... How to create Sandbox2 ?

@Anupamdutta73: Just click the red link above! It should take you to a screen where you can begin typing in your new sandbox. When you click "Publish page" at the bottom, the new sandbox page will be created and all links to it will turn blue. The sandbox doesn't have to be called "sandbox2" either. As long as it's name starts with "User:Anupamdutta73/", it will be ok (examples: User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox100, User:Anupamdutta73/This is a sandbox, User:Anupamdutta73/testing sand pit). See Wikipedia:User_pages#Creating_a_subpage for details. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Translations

Hello , I am curious about translating articles for Wikipedia. Is there a location on the website specifically for articles need translations in another language? Jlerma2 (talk) 03:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jlerma2: Yes! Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English has quite a bit of articles needing cleanup. You can also check individual Wikiprojects (like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spain#Article_requests) and see if there's a list there. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Translation to see how you create new articles. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 04:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jlerma2: The best place to find articles to translate is actually Category:Articles needing translation from foreign-language Wikipedias, which has thousands of articles sorted by language. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Can I apply mainspace article for AfC?

I created a article 2006 Surat flood in mainspace Wikipedia a month ago. It is not reviewed yet. Can I apply for AfC? बृहस्पति (talk) 05:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done—Good work on the article. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 07:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Why my edits reset within 24 hours

 Shivsa008 (talk) 02:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Shivsa008: On which page were your edits "reset"? Your edit history shows that the pages you've edited recently have not changed since you edited it. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 03:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

On article of List of football clubs in India article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivsa008 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Shivsa008: I think the message at User_talk:Shivsa008 explains it. RudolfRed (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined sections from same editor with the same question GoingBatty (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I have added few clubs in the list of (e.g. list of Football Clubs in India yesterday which are truly exists but today morning I view the article that resets to what that was before my edits And current article have so many mistakes in name and link I corrected it yesterday but it resets now Please help me to provide true information to the audience I am new to Wikipedia Shivsa008 (talk) 03:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Shivsa008: Welcome to the Teahouse! If we go to the List of football clubs in India article and click on "View history", you can see the edit history, which shows your edits were reverted because another editor thought they were "non-notable entries". If you would like to discuss this further, please follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle by posting on the article talk page: Talk:List of football clubs in India. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

That user just don't know anything about Indian football and reverted the correct information I provided to the 3-4 years old outdated information Please can you tell me how can I successfully edit it and no one who don't have knowledge about the topic can revert it please Thanks 👍 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivsa008 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Shivsa008: Wikipedia does not work like that, I'm afraid. Anybody (with a few exceptions) can edit (almost) any article, and no article is ear-marked to be edited only by people who know the topic beforehand. What you can do if you discover errors in an article, and your edits are reverted, is what GoingBatty explained above. Please read the information he linked to at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 07:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Additional point: since the list is for professional clubs, what you should do when you bring it up on the talk page is give a source showing that the clubs you add are in fact represented in the professional leagues. The problem with an article like List of football clubs in India is that there must be many thousands of football clubs in India if you count all the amateur clubs, clubs for schoolkids, and so on, and from time to time, people might add such "minor" clubs to the article without understanding that it should only list the professional ones. I understand that it is frustrating that your own personal knowledge of which clubs are currently in the top leagues is not enough to allow you to add the information to the article, but verifiability is one of the main pillars of Wikipedia, and whenever a new addition is challenged, the editor who adds it does have to provide verification.

Another good place for you to discuss this would be at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/India task force, where you will find Wikipedia editors who are in fact knowledgeable about football in India. The discussion page for the task force is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/India task force. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Different editor

How do I make these photos in the gallery the same size? I tried clicking options and changing the size but it doesn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Anderson_(illustrator) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk • contribs)

@Helpfulwikieditoryay: There are far too many images in this article! You could perhaps partly solve the issue by deleting at least half of them, before someone decides to remove the gallery entirely per WP:GALLERY, and rely on Commons link to show her work. I'm not at this point sure of the exact cause of the problem, but a good read of Help:Gallery tag would probably help you. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Helpfulwikieditoryay: I've removed the mode=packed command and changed it to: gallery mode=nolines and this has resolved it. I suggest you remove all but five or so images in the article, and rely on the Commons link to let users see more of her work, lest someone esle decides to remove it entirely, per WP:GALLERY. Please also remove the emboldening from the images captions as this isn't needed. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the extensive gallery is fine – what better way to show the subject's work? (and some of those images recall for me books that I read as a child). But I have a concern about the copyright of those images. Their presence in Commons is justified by the artist having been dead for 70 years; but the article argues that she died in 1952. Maproom (talk) 07:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

New username

Hi

A few weeks ago I made a wikipedia page for a band I like. Everything was approved, only my username misled that I have connections with the band. I thought when I use the bandname as my username it is easy to remember. That's all! Now the article is not online. The told me I have to change my username and I have to do a request. But I don't see where I can do that request. Can somebody please help me with the new username? Or is it really necessary to change my username?

PS: it's about the article "Munatix"

Thank you very much for your help

Best regards Elke Rijkx

}} 188.189.152.210 (talk) 07:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I can't find the page you mention(even if deleted). However, if you were asked to change your username, you should have been provided with instructions on how to do that, usually in the block notice. If not, just post what you want to change it to in your unblock request. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If you were blocked, please ask further questions while logged in to your account. 331dot (talk) 08:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Munatix, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you refer to User:Munatix/sandbox. It's just a test page for your account. The content has not been submitted, reviewed or approved. I have added a box with a submit button but note it has to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music). User rename instructions were posted to User talk:Munatix which also said you could just create a new account. The helpful administrator even said you didn't have to follow the normal rename request procedure but could just post the request right there. You can log in as Munatix and post the request. Your account is not blocked. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

template

Need to remove protection lock on Cam Newton’s page. Signing is official, announced by Newton on Twitter. Dylanstout39 (talk) 04:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Dylanstout39, Thanks for the query. If you have anything like information, source or reference regarding the 'signing' that qualifies to be added then, you can request edits to a semi-protected page by proposing them on its talk page, using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template if necessary to gain attention. ~ Amkgp 💬 05:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

The page is semi-protected because it is prone to vandalism or disruptive editing. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 05:44, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Dylanstout39: The easiest way to request an edit to a protected page is to click the "View source" tab and then the "Submit an edit request" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

An independent reliable source would be much preferred than what Newton himself says. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

https://www.patriots.com/news/analysis-offense-takes-potential-jump-with-cam-newton. Patriots website confirms it.

A Page for Timothy Galpin

Hello to everyone, i try to open a page for Timothy Galpin, i add some more references for the references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Timothy_Galpin#Timothy_Galpin

Could you please make your commnets, how can i open the page :)?

regards Comery07 (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC) --Comery07 (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Comery07: The article is written like an advertisement or a portfolio. Please take note that Wikipedia is not a place for you to promote someone like an advertisement. You can choose to re-write the article, but please also check to see if your subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines before attempting to create an article. Do also cite your sources properly. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 09:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Timothy Galpin has been declined twice. The draft contains hyperlinks and the attempt at creating references has failed. These errors need to be fixed before resubmitting. That still leaves the question of whether the subject meets Wikipedia's concept of notability. What Galpin has written (journal articles, etc.) is less important than what people have written and published about him. David notMD (talk) 10:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your commnets Nahnah4 David notMD i will check the article again with your commnets and will update.

Comery07 (talk) 06:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

This sentence "He has been identified as one the world’s most influential management experts in The Guru Guide: The Best Ideas of the Top Management Thinkers." should be deleted, given that the book lists close to 100 people as management experts. David notMD (talk) 09:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi I would like to get more information about editing and about the headline updates about Wikipedia article

 Leroy Lil Boosie (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Leroy Lil Boosie, as far as I see you already got a bunch of information on your talk page - perhaps you study this first, there you will find everything you need. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Leroy Lil Boosie: If you have a specific question, perhaps you can better describe it for us? As far as general information, you'll find that on your user talk page at User talk:Leroy Lil Boosie. There are links to all sorts of topics, tutorials, etc. Also, when you post a message on a talk page, the one-line "Subject/headline" box should contain just that – a few words that summarize what your post is about. The body of your post goes in the larger edit box below it, in the case of the Teahouse, below the line that says "<!-- THEN WRITE YOUR QUESTION BELOW THIS LINE ... adding comments or replies. -->". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

still my id is not working .... infect i was create my id before 20 days

 Atul parjapati (talk) 09:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Atul parjapati, welcome to the Teahouse. If you refer to your account then it works fine since you could post here. What is your problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If you mean why does your User name show in red, that is because you have not typed anything on your User page. Once you do that it will appear blue. I put an instructional welcome document on your Talk page, so that is now blue. David notMD (talk) 10:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi nice people I just wrote a page on Wikipedia after learning well how to write. Why does it remain in the draft version and unpublished? Thank you very much for your reply

 Mumi ob (talk) 09:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Broken Mirrors (Film 2019) has not been submitted for review. There is a blue box you can click to submit. A common misunderstanding is that the "Publish changes" as the bottom really means 'save', not 'publish'. David notMD (talk) 10:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Not getting blocked

I have reverted my edits from Pauline Hansons One Nation so I don't get blocked. HirohughYouTube (talk) 10:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Original Research

Why was my content removed due to original research? What does that mean? Amelia Gaine (talk) 13:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

You will find advice at WP:Original research. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I have read it and still don't understand why my content was removed when I cited a published source that contains the information? Amelia Gaine (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

You will hopefully get a reply from C.Fred, who was the editor who reverted your edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If you are the author Amelia Gaine, the referenced source appears to be your own website. David notMD (talk) 13:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Amelia Gaine: You added material and cited your own website as a source. You cannot publish your own thought and claim it as a source. Even if you were a journalist or scholar and had your work published in a newspaper or a journal, it would still be a bad idea to cite your own work. In those cases, you could present the source at the talk page and ask for an independent editor to review the situation—if the newspaper or journal has a good editorial review policy, then the source could be used. —C.Fred (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Question about Citing a Source

If I am editing the page to the business where I work, is it OK to cite the website of that business as the source material if no other sources exist to support the content? Robinstanley318 (talk) 15:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robinstanley318: First, it's tricky to edit the page of the business where you work. You have a conflict of interest with that business and should generally not be editing its article. If you editing the Wikipedia article is part of your job duties, or if you are otherwise being paid to edit, then you also must disclose that you are a paid editor.

Second, if there are no other sources that support the content, then it starts to raise the issue of whether the company is notable enough to have its own article in the first place. —C.Fred (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Remember, Robinstanley318, that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject of an article says about themselves. (There is a limited exception for uncontroversial factual information like places and dates - see PRIMARY). Almost the whole of the content of any article should be based on sources where somebody wholly unconnected with the subject, and without any input from the subject, has chosen to write at some length about the subject, and been published in a reliable place. --ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Not meeting wiki page criteria

Hi I have been told that my wiki page does not meet the criteria wiki. Can you please help me to know what I have written down wrong, so that I can amend the page. Thanks so much. 185.192.69.208 (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC) Natasha sikah

Hello, Natasha. We can't tell you anything about it, unless you tell us what the page is! The IP address you are currently editing from has made no edits apart from this one. But please be aware that creating a new Wikipedia article (not just a "page") is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia, and that it starts by finding at least three places where people who have no connection with the subject have chosen, without any input from the subject, to write at some length about the subject, and been published in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If you cannot find such sources, it is likely that no article about the subject will be accepted however it is written, and any work you put into writing it before finding these sources will be wasted. Please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Published Wiki article has an advertisement disclaimer on it still

Hi there, wondering if the advertisement disclaimer can now be removed since it's been published. The initial draft had a lot of "weasel" words and those have since been removed and the updated article was published. Thanks in advance for your help!

Page can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Hidalgo Plasticsurgeonnyc (talk) 16:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Plasticsurgeonnyc. That tag was added to the article after it had been accepted for publication. In my view, the reviewer accepted the article despite some fairly significant deficiencies, which others would have declined it for. A number of editors have since started to address these issues. If you want to contribute to improving the article further, I'd suggest discussing the matter on its talk page, Talk:David A. Hidalgo.Cordless Larry (talk) 17:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

First article submission rejected - help a newbie?

Hi, Calliopejen1 reviewed my article and it was rejected. I’m totally new at this and thought this might be a good article to learn with. I learned about this place from another article about the founder, and I used the same references form the SFGate that the other article used so I thought that was sufficient. There’s a lot more online references about this place and the founder on other reputable websites if it needs more, but I did spend quite some time on this and I’d like to figure out how to do this properly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bcr8v

I’m not some bot and I don’t get paid for this or anything, just want to learn. I’d be most grateful for the help. Thank you! 182.253.75.197 (talk) 02:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Father's Heart Ranch.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

This is rather strange, because on your talk page Calliopejen1 writes (i) that the sources you provide for Draft:Father's Heart Ranch "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject", and (ii) "If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk." Wasn't it declined because of a lack of significant coverage? Well, let's have a look at the cited sources. The draft has two references, but it only takes a few seconds till the reader realizes that it only cites one source. So what else can you rustle up via Google, Duckduckgo or similar about the subject? (Though publication on paper is acceptable too.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The draft is Draft:Father's Heart Ranch. Your draft contains a reference to only one reliable source, a San Francisco Chronicle article that is primarily about Albie Pearson. You should add references to several more sources, especially those that give significant coverage to the children's home. An alternative might be to add a description of the home to Pearson's biography. I recommend that you read Your first article for lots of good advice. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I see that Father's Heart Ranch is already covered in Pearson's biography. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. I added one source to your article and cleaned it up a bit. To add to what others are telling you above, I have to agree with them and the page reviewer that the available sourcing does not demonstrate that the ranch merits an article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bcr8v, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I think that for a new editor to create an article is a bit like going to your first piano lesson and expecting to play a concerto. Creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia - some say the hardest - not for technical reasons, but because of all the many policies and conventions which have grown up over the years to ensure that our articles are valuable, neutral, and reliable. My suggestion would be that you leave your draft for a few weeks or months, and find some of our six million articles that need some TLC - many of them do! - and return to it when you have learnt more about how Wikipedia works. --ColinFine (talk) 11:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bcr8v: What Colin said. You'd be surprised at what you'll learn over a relatively short time. You'll come back to your draft and see all sorts of things you want to do differently. There is no deadline; as long as you edit it every 6 months, the draft will remain indefinitely. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:47, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Wow, thank you everyone! I had no idea how big a deal this was. I've seen some articles that were a lot worse so thought this was a decent start. I'll spend some more time in learning more when I have the time to dedicate to this.

Am I at least free to create my own user page? =)

Really appreciate all the help! One World, One Love! Awesome to see this demonstrated here!! ALOHA!!! ツ. --Bcr8v (talk) 14:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

You are, but please check the notes re user pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Question: can I reference a video in the article? I found this on youtube and I think this would qualify as a credible source since it's NBC Nightly News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscVNQlFB5Q. Bcr8v (talk) 14:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bcr8v: Yes you can, generally speaking. I'd link to the Internet Archive version, which has more information about when it was aired. (Starts at 6:57.) The YouTube video has some issues with WP:LINKVIO, and the Internet Archive one seems slightly more legit. (Not sure if they host it with the permission of the copyright owner, but presumably NBC knows that the Internet Archive is doing this.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:42, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

American english or british english

I am concerned as to whether I should be using british english or american english when editing articles Blolbly (talk) 10:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blolbly. It depends on the article and some articles should use other varieties. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Blolbly, Additionally, you should also check respective article's talk page before starting to edit as many times they specified in which English it is written (like British, American, Indian etc) and expected to be edited. For example see Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in India that states its written in Indian English. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 18:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Finding articles

¿What would be the best method for finding articles that warrant expanding and how much should I aim to add? Blolbly (talk) 11:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Blolbly! There are a number of ways you could do this:

1. Look for a Wikiproject and their to-do lists. WikiProjects are little groups of people that work together on a certain topic. For instance I am part of WikiProject USA, which is dedicated to creating, improving and expanding articles on things related to the United States. You can search for WikiProjects on the search bar in the page I linked above (here it is again). Most projects have a 'To-do' section which outlines all the things they need to do. Often this includes expanding articles, re-writing them from a neutral point of view, or cleaning up messy formatting.

2. Look at WP:Pages needing attention. This is a great page which lists some Wikipedia articles which need improving and expanding. They are broken down by category and subject so you can pick what you want to work on.

3. Add the code {{User:SuggestBot/suggest}} to your user page. SuggestBot will come and reccommend articles for you to improve based on what you've edited in the past and what needs updating.

Feel free to add as much info as you like! The only guidelines for adding info are that it should be relevant and important, and it should come from a reliable source. You can find more info on that here.

Hopefully this gives you some ideas. If you're really stuck, feel free to leave a message on my talk page!

Regards, Giraffer (munch) 12:20, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Blolbly: Complete instructions for SuggestBot are linked to at the top of SuggestBot. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you recommend someone who can write my Wikipedia page?

Hi, There- I have had a band for 45 years and was once on Wikipedia; (someone else had put us on there and then later, it was removed. I had never seen it but had heard from a reliable source that it was there). Anyway, I'd like to put our band on Wikipedia if possible and have lots of newspaper articles that I could submit. I hesitate to hire someone online without a recommendation so is there anyone you could recommend? I'd be happy to pay them of course.

Thanks- Cynthia Lyon Ettb22 (talk) 18:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Ettb22, Wikipedia is not a place for article subjects like bands to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about bands, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable band. Articles are not typically written by the subject (or their representative). Please read Your First Article for more information. Thank you ~ Amkgp 💬 18:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Also see conflict of interest and paid editing for information on policies as well as declarations. Wikipedia prefers that articles be written by independent editors who take note of a subject in reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. ~ Amkgp 💬 18:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If this is the extent of the press coverage your band has received over the years, it does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Page Protection

How do i protect a page? Chris Ducker (talk) 20:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Chris Ducker You can request for Wikipedia page protection at Requests for page protection. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬

Ideas to address derogatory comments?

Am I right there is no practical solution for repeated WP:PERSONALATTACKS? The policy says "Repeated or egregious personal attacks may lead to sanctions..." But WP:Third opinion is limited to a situation involving only 2 editors. WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard is only for content, not user actions. WP:ANI advice says "Don't. Just... don't. Taking a dispute to ANI is like going to war. War has no victors, only survivors," and it links to WP:Let it go which says "all it really does is make other Wikipedians mad and maybe even leave Wikipedia altogether."

On the other hand leaving personal attacks in place can also make people leave Wikipedia.

In Talk:The 1619 Project I saw a novice editor's work described as "crock of BS" and "drive-by editors dumping..." I thought the words were derogatory and would make people less willing to resolve disagreements in the talk page, myself included. So in accordance with WP:PERSONALATTACKS "Derogatory comments about other editors may be removed by any editor." I replaced those words with asterisks and added an explanation. The commenter repeated the words and accused me of pretence ("clutched their pearls").

Seeing the advice in WP:DR#Resolving user conduct disputes, I slept on it, then asked for explanation on the commenter's talk page, and got a repeat that the original novice editor's effort to discuss bias was a "crock of bullshit," and it was OK to have told an earlier blocked editor to "fuck off", because the blocked editor was so bad. I'm sure the blocked editor was bad. Many would agree that writing from 25 years ago is not relevant enough to include, but calling it BS closes off discussion. Leaving BS, drive-by editor, and accusations of pretence at Talk:The 1619 Project chills discussion in what is already a controversial page. The commenter then went back to the article Talk page to "wonder" if another editor was pretending.)

I see in WP:ANI#Breach of Wikipedia:Etiquette by User:Beyond My Ken a suggestion that 3-day old issues are not appropriate, despite the WP:DISENGAGE advice to take a break and sleep on it. The issue there was an accusation of pretence, without the BS. And I see that 3 administrators were OK with "fuck off", so I don't see much promise in addressing "BS." Numbersinstitute (talk) 20:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If anything, the phrase "a crock of BS" was extremely mild and diplomatic in that context, and "drive-by editors dumping their right-wing talking points" was a factual description. Just drop the stick. --bonadea contributions talk 20:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Page reorganization to follow guidelines

Tried to follow the formatting guidelines and checked with posted pages for examples. Need suggestions for page reorganization to comply with Wikipedia's layout guidelines. Please take a look at Draft:John_Knight_(soap_maker) Knight1817 (talk) 18:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Knight1817  Done ~ Amkgp 💬 21:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

need to write article

interested in writing article that doesn't exists in wikipedia...... how to write? Dwarakesh29 (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Dwarakesh29, Welcome to Teahouse. Please visit Your First Article for complete guide and information. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 21:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP ME: I need to publish my wife's page...

I have written a page for my wife Sandy "Gremlina" Manley from the 3rd season of G.L.O.W. - The Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling, and I can't tell if it is even being considered legitimite yet. In addition to that, I have attempted to include self-shot pictures into the entry as part of her page and Wiki continues to reject them. Even after reading the rules of personal ownership repeatedly, Wiki will not accept them.

I need assistance with my page. PLEASE SOMEONE help me. Drake1969 (talk) 16:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Drake1969. I'm sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but ... Please see my reply to #Not meeting wiki page criteria above, most of which will also be useful to you. Unless you start by finding the independent sources required to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notabililty, it is likely that all work you have put into an article is wasted. It is possible that there are suitable sources buried among the user-generated and non-independent sources in your draft; I haven't looked through them. But please note that numbering of references is done automatically if you use the <ref> and </ref> tags: please see Referencing for beginners.

In your case, your conflict of interest makes it even harder to write an acceptable article, because you are naturally going to want to present your wife in the best light, but Wikipedia wants every subject presented neutrally according to all the reliable independent sources. Also please note that your "need" is not shared by Wikipedia. Wikipedia has no role to play in advancing anybody's career or internet presence: promotion of any kind is forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I created section headers. Up to you to weed out the references that are not considered reliable sources, and to incorporate the remaining references into the draft. Referencing for beginners. Don't bother with photos until after you get your draft reviewed and approved. David notMD (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• Drake1969 Please note that even if you succeed in getting the draft moved to the main encyclopedia, it would not be your wife's "page"; Wikipedia would then have an article about your wife. Once in the main encyclopedia, you could no longer edit it directly(though you could make edit requests on the article talk page). 331dot (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

At User:Drake1969/sandbox, looks like you have content at the beginning that you want to be in an Infobox. So that is another process to learn. You could consider copying the Infobox from Amber O'Neal and replacing all her information with Sandy's. David notMD (talk) 22:00, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

How does one cite preliminary notes released in a later edition?

Just finished Watchmen (very striking, very grim), and read Moore and Gibbons’s notes at the back. The article quotes Moore as saying that he strove to present four or five “radically opposing ways” of perceiving the world; in the character notes Moore and Gibbons nicely summarise each one. Doctor Manhattan “sees world as sub-atomic system”, Veidt “sees world as organism with him at centre”, and so forth. I think this would be of value to readers (possibly through a brief quote box below each character’s heading), but I am not quite sure how to cite an omnibus of separately published comics which was then expanded to include the artist’s notes. Perhaps one of you kind souls could direct me to the correct style guide? Lightcaller (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Lightcaller and welcome to the Teahouse! An omnibus like [1]? I happen to have that one. Cite it like you would any book, personally I'd use ref toolbar/cite book [2], using the gbook url or isbn for autofill. This part of the book doesn't seem to have pagenumbers, but what can you do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Lightcaller (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I had a page I think but it's gone?

My name is Tamara Williamson I'm a successful Canadian singer songwriter. I believe I had an ezstensive page but its disappeared... can anyone help? Tamara Willamson (talk) 17:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tamara Willamson: I see an article about you on the French Wikipedia, but it doesn't look like you've ever had one on the English Wikipedia, at least not under an obvious title. Is there any other title it could have been under? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tamara Willamson, and welcome to the teahouse. There is not now, and never has been, any article Tamara Willamson nor any Draft:Tamara Willamson on en.Wikipedia. Nor was any article or page except the Teahouse itself edited from your account. If it was under some other title, I cannot find it without knowing that title. Nor do i find any current article that mentions nyour name. We could help you better if you told us the exact title of the article, or any distinctive text that would have been included. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tamara Willamson: Welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you were asking about this on IRC, but you disconnected just before we could tell you the answer. Were you also using the account Tamarawilliamson? If so, the messages on User talk:Tamarawilliamson indicate that your draft from 2014 was deleted because it had not been edited in over 6 months. It also contains information on how you can request it be restored. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, Wikipedia:Autobiography, and Wikipedia:Username policy#Using multiple accounts. GoingBatty (talk) 22:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Place to discuss in real time

Is there a place where we can have more organised discussions about articles? RCS or Reddit style

I feel talk pages are extremely cumbersome and honestly, does anyone really ever check these? Iron Puma (talk) 21:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse @Iron Puma:...Click here for Wikipedia help Internet Relay Chat....--Moxy 🍁 22:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Iron Puma: You might want to read Wikipedia:IRC before jumping in to the chat. I also added {{Edit semi-protected}} to Talk:Nile#Mean annual flow contribution corrections for you, in order to get more visibility for your request. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Iron Puma: personally, I would never recommend IRC chat. And, yes, talk pages are read by those editors who are interested in working to improve an article. OK, most are not frequently viewed. But they are the place to gain WP:CONSENSUS if there's disagreement on what edits are appropriate, and a place to gather sources that others might use in that article. The advantage of having conversations about an article on its talk page is that the discussion will be permanently visible there. Someone (perhaps today, perhaps five years later) might well pick up on something they see there and run with it, and the full history of all past discussions will be visible and open for inspection. Anyone who watches an article also watches the talk page. So Nile for example has 492 page watchers right now, which is a goodly number. Don't diss the talk! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to write an article about myself?

 Isaac The Speed Hyper (talk) 22:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Mmmm, don't? You enrolled as an editor a few days ago and your only edit was vandalism. More to the point, Wikipedia discourages attempts at autobiography (See WP:Autobiography because very few people are able to create an article about themselves while achieving a neutral point of view. David notMD (talk) 22:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Isaac The Speed Hyper: I agree. This is a serious encyclopaedia project, not a place to make fun social media profiles. There would be a good chance your account would get blocked from editing were you to try... unless (of course) you've genuinely been written about in depth and in detail by multiple newspapers, books or respected magazines?  Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I cant' seem to get rid of the error "Check date values in: |date="

I added a citation to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodworking#cite_note-13

The citation text for the magazine is as follows:

I'm not sure what is wrong with the date. I thought it aligned with what I was reading in the CS1 errors page. Thank you in advance! Blockandtackle42 (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Blockandtackle42: it looks like this has been resolved. Let us know if you need additional help. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Yes, thank you very much. A friend told me that I had to delete the period after 2003. I thought every citation area needed to be separated with a period. I will have to remember this for the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockandtackle42 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Blockandtackle42: No. The parameters within the citation template are separated not by periods but by the pipe character |. I have removed the other misplaced periods from your citation, including, most significantly, the one which you had appended to the url which therefore broke the link. The link now works. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thank you very much. I will use | in the future.

New

Wikipedia is huge. I need something to work on please. Printsess4277 (talk) 04:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC) Printsess4277 (talk) 04:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Printsess4277: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try reviewing Wikipedia:Task Center. I also added some information on your user talk page to get you started. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Making a table more presentable

Dear fellow Wikipedians, In response to my queries about creating a table, I got the procedure to create a simple table. Now my queries are for making it more professional... 1) In a sortable table containing "Total", how to keep the last row out of the purview of sorting ? 2) Regarding alignment... putting the code "align= center" for each cell. Is there any other way ? 3) How to format the numbers, so that the numbers are sorted properly..... Thanks in advance.. Cheers

Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anupamdutta73. You can add data-sort-type="number" | in column headers for number columns, and class="sortbottom" in rows which should always sort at the bottom. I did that in [3]. See more at Help:Sorting. You can center every cell in a table with style="text-align: center;" in the table start like at Help:Table#Cells spanning multiple rows or columns. But then you have to add other alignment to every cell which shouldn't be centered. There is no command to align every cell in a column. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Membership

May I please know how I may be able to gain membership of Wiki projects?PNSMurthy (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no ultimate answer to this, it depends on the WikiProject you want to participate in. In most cases, WikiProjects are open to anyone, but you can ask at its talkpage. 217.68.167.73 (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!PNSMurthy (talk) 08:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please guide me

Hello , can anyone please guide me , how I can edit better then previous, so that I can be better wikipedian and contribute more. Thanks Bijoyonline30 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bijoyonline30! A few things you could do to improve your editing is:

1. Take part in The Wikipedia Adventure. This is a fun guide which teaches you about editing and how to improve.

2. Keep editing! You seem to have a good edit record, which definitely helps. Continuing with your editing will improve your confidence, style, and it will teach you about how to effectively collaborate with other editors - something which is key on Wikipedia.

3. Read about editing. Here are a couple pages that could help you: WP:YFA (on creating articles), WP:MOS (how to write like an encyclopedia) and Help:Intro (a short tutorial on editing).

Hope this helps, Giraffer (munch) 09:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Giraffer! , Thank you for helping me. It is really helpful.

Changing of article name

Please, I wanna change the name of this article 2020 SAFF Championship to 2021 SAFF Championship for the tournament has been postponed, is it possible for me to change it or should I just wait for the creator of the article to do so?? Thanks Josedimaria237 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Josedimaria237! Articles shouldn't be moved (renamed) until consensus has been reached at the article's talk page. If you want to rename the article, start a discussion on the talk page and see if people agree. Hope this helps! Giraffer (munch) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Giraffer Thanks so much, I've done so.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 12:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Badges earned

Hi fellow Wikipedians, Where can I view the badges I earned? Also how can I put them in my user page ? Thanks in advance Anupam Dutta (talk) 07:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

If you'd been awarded anything that might be called a badge, then it, or notification of it, would appear on your user talk page. I don't see any there, so I'd guess that you haven't yet been awarded any. If you'd like to be awarded something or other, you'd better be very careful with your typing, more careful than you were in this edit. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

You can put Userboxes on your User page. See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries for list. Editors may put Barnstars on your Talk page in recognition of your accomplishments (we do not self-award Barnstars). David notMD (talk) 12:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Anupamdutta73, you can give yourself a service award. It's based purely on your edit count and length of service; it does not reflect the quality of your edits or level of authority. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Why is my article not notable enough

My article war reviewed as not notable enough?

My article (wikipedia.org/wiki/draft:JackSucksAtLife) was denied because it wasnt notable, however youtubers with 250k subs have been considered notable? Welikepizza33 (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welikepizza33 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. YouTube subscriber numbers are not relevant towards establishing notability. A person can have 5 billion followers and not be notable, and can have 5 followers and be notable. Viewership/subscriber numbers are easily gamed(it is not hard to register more than one account, or watch a video more than once). What matters is if the subject receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You offered no independent sources at all. This person needs to be written about in the news or other similar sources in order to merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

The subject himself seems to have offered up an apology [4] for (inadvertently) inciting his subscribers to vandalize Wikipedia. He even recognizes that he doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:NYOUTUBE. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Douala Bell Family

I have been asked to add Stephane N'ko Douala Bell to Wikipedia as he is the heir of the Douala Bell family and also a Canadian musician who goes by Sty-Low, however, I am facing issues. I hope I can get help 2607:FEA8:34A0:AF:38AE:E008:8F25:101B (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Are you the editor Khrysvic? That editor asked a nearly identical question at the Wikipedia:Help desk [5]. If this is you, please remember to log in before editing, and limit your question to one forum. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talk • contribs) 16:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to make my content not promotional

Hi everyone,

I am creating a content for my company in Wikipedia. @Amkgp was very nice to me and suggested me to ask for help in this friendly space. Can anyone help me editing my content please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:KOBIL_Systems

I would really appreciate your help. Thank you Nerilda Meda (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Nerilda Meda! On Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself. Your best option is probably to request assistance at WP:EAR. For more info on writing about yourself (in this case your company) see WP:YOURSELF. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 09:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Nerilda Meda (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, if you are editing about your company, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to read and formally comply with the paid editing policy and declare that status. You should also review conflict of interest. You seem to have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves or what they do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, even within the same field. "Significant coverage" is coverage that goes beyond brief mentions, press releases, announcements of routine business transactions or simple actions taken by a company, staff interviews, or other primary sources. That coverage must be in-depth with the source choosing on their own to write about your company(as in not republishing a press release). It is usually very difficult for people in your position to succeed in writing about their own companies. In order to succeed, you would need to forget everything you know about your company and everything on its website, and only write based on the content of independent sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that you must comply with PAID, meaning declaring your paid relationship on your User page. And I agree with the reviewer who declined the submittal that the Founder section should be removed, as the draft is about the company, not about him. Lastly, I restored the Declined template, as that should not have been removed. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Giraffer and @David notMD for your comments and help! The text was written by an external copywriter after providing him all the necessary primary sources, to avoid the subjective writing part. Since the beginning I have added the paid code like was described in a document, do you think I have added wrong? Of course I can skip the founder paragraph if it is problematic. Thank you for your suggests, hopefully I will be able to publish it neutral and in the correct way. Nerilda Meda (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I do not see a declaration of PAID on your User page. Once you have done that, an editor will remove the undeclared paid tag from the top of the draft. Removing all that information on the founder is a good step. Removing that may have removed ref "b", so a ref repair is needed. What remains to be seen is whether there are enough independently written published citations about the company to qualify for Wikipedia's concept of notability. Many of the paragraphs have no refs. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David, can you please send me that code and I will add it again exactly in the way you will show me, so I know can´t be wrong. That would be really nice from your part. I already removed the founder paragraph. And now I am checking the refs part. Thanks! I really appreciate it. Nerilda Meda (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I put a paid disclosure on your User page and removed the unpaid tag from the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I have no words to thank you David, I really appreciate it. Thank you! Nerilda Meda (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Removal of multiple Issues

Ronald Hugh Barker

I was pleased and surprised to receive a B rating for my first article. It only took a day or so to be accepted. I'm very impressed with the response. A big thank you to all the editors that have looked at it and made edits to clean it up to acceptable standards, I am most grateful. I thought the article was neutral and met the required WP:MOS standards but apparently it hasn't.

• Q1) Does the article continue through a process of checking by editors who then when satisfied remove the ! or does the author do this?
• Q2) R H Barker has been categorised as an Irish scientist. Although born in Ireland both parents were English and he lived and worked in England for all his adult life. Would be acceptable to categorised under English Scientists as well as Irish?
• Q3) How do I add an info box? Is this where a summary is given under and within the top photo? Windswept (talk) 18:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Barkercoder and thanks for your work on the article.

1. A maintenance tag, such as {{Copy edit}} is the opinion of one editor that the article has an issue that should be addressed. Any good-faith editor may fix the issue, or review the article and conclude that the issue does not apply, and remove the tag. If there is any question, or the editor is comparatively inexperienced, it is often better to start a discussion on the article talk page (in this case Talk:Ronald Hugh Barker) before removing a tag, particularly on rt=the grounds that no changes were needed. One can ping the editor who added to tag to join such a discussion.
2. Categorization is often a judgement call, particularly in the complex matter of nationalities of people from the British Isles. This could also be discussed on the article talk page, or one could just boldly add the additional category. There is no rule against doing so.
3. See {{infobox person}}, {{Infobox scientist}}, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes for possible infobox templates and how to use them. Note that an infobox is never required. Many articles use them, and many editors like them. Each has its particular parameters and usage, which must be followed if using that box.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Barkercoder. I recommend that you read about the neutral point of view and remove all non-neutral language like the words "gifted" and "committed" and "erratic" and "excelled" and "keen", all of which I found in the lead section. Please see Template:Infobox scientist for the coding that you can use for an infobox. I think that the English scientist category is fine. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I quite agree with Cullen328 here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congrats for getting this accepted. Need work, including some of the refs that are just URLs, and sections of text that have no references, and removing all of the subjectivity mentioned already. You can continue to work to improve it, and some other editor can decide when the tags are no longer warranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 18:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

permalinks

I know how to do peramlinks. I want to show the instructions for creating a permalink to a new editor. I could not find it in the documentation. Does anyone know where it is? --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC) --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Welcome to Wikipedia. There are some instructions and examples at Help:Permanent_link. Does that help? RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David Tornheim, Help:Permanent link? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Does WP:OLDID give you what you seek for making a permalink? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Those will work. I see why I didn't find it. I was searching under WP: rather than HELP:. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to add Van der Meer with brief information From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am new here and would like to understand how to add a name to the page on the Van Der Meer Last name. Please excuse me and accept my apology if I have not written this the way it should be.The link to the page I need assistance with is below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Meer Onevandermeer (talk) 19:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Onevandermeer, Hello! Does the Van Der Meer you want to add have a WP-article in english or some other language? If not, it's doubtful the name should be added. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

At that list, most of the names are blue, meaning that there is an existing Wikipedia article about that person, but a few are red. These mean that at least one editor thought that this person warranted an article in English, but had not been written yet. The small print in brackets indicates that articles exist in other languages. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

additional information

Additional information for inclusion: Rochelle Owens American poet external links 2601:41:4000:D50:19E2:A066:2D97:E00D (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, could you elaborate? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

We are very smart here, but our mindreading has its limits. I assume this has to do with Rochelle Owens#External links which has three entries there already. If something is missing, be bold!. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Finding (and adding) copyright of municipal flag

I got very lost down the Wikipedia rabbithole and ended up editing the page for Janesville, Wisconsin. The flag initially on the page was extremely small, so I uploaded the better quality version from the city's website. I didn't know what the copyright was but had assumed that it was alright, seeing as there was an image of the flag before. Now I've gotten a message to add the copyright but I've got no idea how to find or input it. I also have the suspicion that I didn't upload the flag correctly. Any guidance? Apellosine (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Apellosine. I think you made an unfortunate mistake in copying and uploading this image from a website. Basically, never do that unless you are clear on the licencing of that image (Creative Commons for commercial re-use). Had you looked at the original image (File:Flag of Janesville, Wisconsin.gif) you might have noticed the "non-free use" licence statement which stated: "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. (See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos for more information). So, by uploading an image larger than we might legitimately need, you've gone against our rules. But don't worry about it - just let time play out and it will be deleted within the week. A lesson learned is a new skill for next time! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Rather than wait for it to be deleted, and leaving a redlink in the article, I put the old flag image back. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: thanks. I thought their addition had been subsequently reverted, but I see I was mistaken. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Messages Question

We know that there are a large number of different welcome messages that an editor can provide for a new editor, some of which have to do with editors who have made various problem edits. However, is there a welcome message that can be provided to an editor whose only edits have been to submit a draft that is not in English? Based on the name of the draft and on a few links in the draft, which are places in Albania, I am guessing that the draft is in the Albanian language, which I believe is an Indo-European language that is not closely related to any other Indo-European language. How should I welcome this user? Oh yes. Should I suggest that they might want to edit the Albanian Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

By the way, the user is Engi99. Does anyone know Albanian? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Welcomeen-sq? -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Is 'sq' the language code for Albanian language? So would that be 'fr' for French, etc.? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes: see ISO 639-1. -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Sending a WikiLove

I want to send a WikiLove to a user. Can I directly post a Barnstar/message on his/her talk-page, or is it preferable to go through that "Heart" icon?? I am getting trouble to adjust image pixel though that "Heart" icon, that's why I am thinking to post a direct message to the talk-page. बृहस्पति (talk) 05:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

बृहस्पति, Both are allowed and acceptable. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 05:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Use of Template in my user page

Dear fellow Wikipedians, Two templates, <<Novice Editor>> and <<User WP West Bengal>> not working in my user page. But the same code working superfine in my Sandabox... Please help..... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Anupamdutta73, your sandbox is on Wikipedia. But your userpage that you are trying to edit is at meta, a different website altogether. Try creating a local userpage here, and the templates should work fine. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: In other words, the default meaning of a [[Example]] or {{Example}} link when in a page on English Wikipedia (this site) is to link to the page in the main (article) namespace named Example or transclude the page Template:Example, respectively. Similarly, on a page on meta, they link to meta:Example and transclude the page meta:Template:Example, which could be entirely different. While you can wikilink to another wiki, transcluding a template from another wiki does not seem to be supported (i.e., {{:meta:Example}} doesn't work), somewhat understandably, as templates tend to use some of the more in-depth features of the wiki software. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I see you have now created a local user page User:Anupamdutta73. meta:User:Anupamdutta73 is your Wikipedia:Global user page. It is automatically displayed as user page at all wikis at Special:CentralAuth/Anupamdutta73 where you haven't created a local user page. The global user page can only use templates at meta and is still displayed at many wikis so you may want to remove the missing templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

guideline

Hi I am totally new to wikipedia. Kindly provide me with a link saying how to start and what to do.

Bests Saeed Philsouphian (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saeed Philsouphian and welcome to the Teahouse - I will post you some links where you can start on your talk page. Enjoy. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Wondering if anyone can help make this removed article compliant please?

Hi there and thanks for reading my post. An article about me (Shed Simove) was recently deleted after being up for many years. Would someone be able to help me get it reinstated so that it wholly complies with Wikepdia's policies please? Thank you in advance. IdeasMan123 (talk) 09:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

IdeasMan123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It was recently deleted as being wholly promotional. Two other versions were deleted many years ago as copyright violations and being unreferenced. In order for there to be an article about you, you would need to be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Note that Wikipedia has no interest in aiding search results for you or in aiding your career; we're just here to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :331dot. Please can you suggest a way to reinstate the article so that it's not deemed promotional? Everything on it was factual. Would it be possible for you or someone else you could point me to, to reinstate the article with any changes necessary please? And I hope I pass the notability test - some of the outside sources are here: https://shedsimove.com/image/tid/10 Thank you for your time and knowledge.

When will my page be published?

Hi! I'm new to Wiki so I'm sorry if my question is straightforward or obvious. I created a page for a poet named Simon Pettet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annasordjan?action=edit) but I don't know how to check when it will be live or if I need to change anything. Annasordjan (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Usually a day or so. Sometimes less. In my experience, it has taken a few hours.PNSMurthy (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan was a userspace draft. I have therefore moved it to User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet a more appropriate place for a user space draft.

Your user page, User:Annasordjan should be for a description of yourself as a Wikipedia editor. It may contain to-do lists, lists of articles or pages worekd on or created, achievements, useful links, brief biographical detail about yourself (but not an autobiography), quotes, freely licensed images, views on Wikipedia policy, and/or other relevant content. Or you may leave it blank. see our guideline on user pages.

There is, in my view, still work to be done on User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet. Wikipedia only has articels on notable people and topics. See our guideline for the notability of authors. Normally there must be multiple independent published reliabel sources, each of which discusses the topic is some detail. See also Wikipedia's golden rule and Your First Article. Referencing for Beginneers is also helpful.

Articles must also be neutral. They should not make any judgements or express any opinions, positive or negative. They may, however, report opinion made by others in cited sources.

Make sure that each source cited is reliable. Most blogs are not reliable, for example. Then use the sources. It is not enoguh to cite a review --quote from it to show the critical reaction, positive or negative.

When you think you are ready, click the blue button to submit your draft for review.

I hope this advice is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I fear that i must disagree with PNSMurthy's comments above, Annasordjan. The page will not be published as an article until after you click the blue "Submit" button, and then the review may take anywhere from a day to 6-8 weeks or more. Then there may well be changes needed and a re-review. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan. Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you have done what many new editors do, and launched straight into possibly the most difficult task in editing Wikipedia: I liken creating a new article to playing a piano concerto: you can make a stab at it after your first piano lesson, but you are likely to have much disappoinment and frustration unless you put in the time learning the instrument first. I recommend spending a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. The problem - as with almost all new editors who try - is that you didn't start by finding independent sources. It's not what you know about him, or what he has said, done, or published, that go into the article: it's what people who aren't his friends or associates have published about him that matters, and that should form the basis of almost the whole article. None of your current references is independent in that way - though actually, some of the reviews and essays might be. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source

What counts as a reliable source? I am trying to add information to a living persons page about a podcast they host and my changes keep getting removed because I haven’t cited a reliable source. I tried a primary source (the apple podcasts page for the show) and got deleted. What sort of source do I need to use? Lauragrossman (talk) 04:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Lauragrossman, Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for asking the question. Reliable sources are the references that are reliable in nature, independent, non-biased and are published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Please visit the following link WP:RELIABLE to know more. To get more clarity please go through reliable source examples. Happy editing. ~ Amkgp 💬 05:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's so much a question of reliability, Lauragrossman, as independence. Apple is a PRIMARY source, which can only be used in limited ways. Also, articles should not use evaluative words like "success" unless they are directly quoting an independent reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.

If you can please help me with the list of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariomtsingh (talk • contribs) 15:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hariomtsingh: You already asked that at the Reference Desk (which was the right place to seek information if you can't use a web browser to find stuff), so there's really no need to ask here, too. The Teahouse is a place to get help editing Wikipedia, not finding information from it. Good luck in your search. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

For those interested: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing#List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.. --CiaPan (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Confusion creating new articles

Hi. I created two articles. One was sent to the approval queue saying it may take six weeks to be approved, while a second article immediately got accepted and is now published and viewable. What's the deal?

The articles are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gessius_of_Petra

Ahmed Suidani

- Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al. The deal is that Wikipedia is staffed by volunteers like yourself, who work on what they choose, when they choose to. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind waiting. But one of the article didn't go to any queue. It immediately got published without being approved. I expected a message but it was instantly on wikipedia. So I got confused. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Domna Ba'al! From what I can tell from your edithistory [6], it's because you created the draft as a WP:DRAFT, but the article as an article. You are WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, so you can do that. At some point a WP:REVIEWer will look at the article and judge if it belongs in articlespace. Does that help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll read these links, thanks. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al, and welcome to teh Teahouse. You chose to create Ahmed Suidani directly in the main article space, with no review by a more experienced editor. Any autoconfirmed user may do that, at the risk that all Wikipedia's content policies apply fully and at once, and the page may be put up for deletion by any of several methods for any of several sorts of reasons. If it isn't, no problem. On the other hand, you chose to create Draft:Gessius of Petra in draft space, and submit it for review under the articles for creation project. This means that an experienced editor will review the draft, and either approve it, or give feedback indicating the problems (rather than simply nominate for deletion) if the draft is not acceptable as an article. The disadvantage is that due to the backlog, it may be several weeks or more before such a review takes place. Reviewers work on whatever drafts they choose, not first-come, first-served, so the wait time is not predictable. Note also that until a member of the New page Patrol reviews Ahmed Suidani, it will not be indexed by Google and other search engines. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

When an article is created directly, without going through the draft and review process, there is no approval and so no notification o9f approval. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you. Next time I will use the draft and wait since the articles aren't time sensitive. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Julia Domna Ba'al: Two comments: Though it is not indexed by external search engines, like all pages, it is searchable by Wikipedia's search. Also, I believe you do receive a notification when an article you create is "patrolled", though I think it's just that – there's no feedback about any issues that are part of the notification process – you may have to watchlist the article/talk page for changes (which normally happens anyway for articles you edit) in order to comments, templates, changes, etc., if the other editors don't choose to ping you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Difference between "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes"

Hi, Im new trying to contribute to Wikipedia, and realizing I have SO MUCH to learn and it's overwhelming. At the bottom of the sandbox are these three options: "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes" (and Cancel)

(which also seem to be the options at the bottom of a real draft not in a userspace sandbox??)

My question is what happens when you choose the different options. I accidently published a draft prematurely just trying to save a draft to continue to work on. I do not want to make that mistake, but would like to learn how to navigate a draft of an article safely instead of in Word on my computer.

If I choose "Show Changes" will that save the changes, yet NOT publish it? Because I know it is not ready and do not want it to get shot down while its in process.

Thank you RacheleWrites (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RacheleWrites and welcome to the Teahouse.

1. The "Publish Page" button simply saves the edit from the edit box to the current page. It does not publish a draft of sandbox to the main encyclopedia. It id the only button that saves any edit. It used tom be called 'Save Edit" (or "save changes" but it was changed to make it clear that any saved edit was publicly visible, as all Wikipedia pages are publicly visible. It causes lots of confusion and i wish i could change it back.
2. "Show Preview" displays what the page or section would look like if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment (with a few exceptions, some constructions do not preview perfectly. (For example named refs defined outside the current section.) It does not save any changes.
3. "Show Changes" displays in Diff format the changes that would be saved if if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment. It helps one keep track of what has and has not been done in the current editing session. It does not save any changes.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@RacheleWrites: In other words, the only way to save a page that you edit on Wikipedia is that Publish button. The general location of a page within the Wikipedia filesystem (the "namespace") determines what kind of page it is. There are three namespaces relevant to this issue: If it is in your personal part of "User" namespace, like User:RacheleWrites/John Smith or User:RacheleWrites/sandbox, while it is accessible to other Wikipedia editors, they will generally leave it alone while you work on it (with the exception of policy problems, like copyright violations).

An article in "Draft" namespace, like Draft:Chief Sielu, may get more attention by other editors, but generally in the form of either minor tweaks for style issues or comments on the talk page. Neither User nor Draft articles are part of the encyclopedia proper for use by general readers, and should not appear in external search engines or forks/mirrors (though it does happen – nothing we can do about that).

Lastly, there is the "article space" or "mainspace", which is the encyclopedia proper, and consists of the pages with no "Namespace:" prefix, like Sweatpants or Michael Douglas, which are collaboratively edited and closely monitored by bots and editors, and expected to be articles suitable for the encyclopedia readers at large, copying by forks, etc. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

not wated

some one is useing messenger under ny faebook page and sending messages to my friend list its my facebook picture but not me sending the messages how do I stop this? Mwofb (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mwofb. The Teahouse is for questions and answers and discussions about editing Wikipedia. We cannot answer questions about using Facebook or other social media platforms. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mwofb: You need to contact Facebook's support people. The most obvious answer, if they're really using your account, is to change your Facebook account password (to one that is not so easily guessed). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting an article process

Hello everyone!

I'm looking for someone to write an article for the company I work for, Wejo, who partner with automotive manufacturers to organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations.

I'm unable to write the article myself due to conflict of interest, but I have submitted a request with a description and included multiple independent, reliable sources. Here is the link:

Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology

I've also posted a request on the talk pages of WikiProjects related to the topic (Automotive, Technology and Transport).

Firstly, I wanted to check if I have followed the process correctly? Also, is someone able to provide me with an idea of how long this process can take please?

Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Wejoltd. (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: Two problems here:

• Your username is that of a company. Wikipedia doesnt allow company usernames, usernames assigned to a role ("CEO at SomeCompany") or usernames otherwise indicating that they are shared by multiple people
• Since you work for the company, you have to do the more strict Paid Contribution disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement (section 4). 217.68.167.73 (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

From what it sounds like he isn't editing the article on his company, that's why he requested it and didn't make it himself so he doesn't need to disclose paid editing so long as he isn't editing the article. Giraffer (munch) 08:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but requesting an article be written rarely works. Wejoltd (wejo Ltd) has a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if either abandons or changes current User name, declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation. However, a quick search found no potential references about this 2013-founded company, so this may be a case of 'too soon' or 'never'. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I've submitted a change of username request having realised my mistake, which I am waiting to be actioned. I have included 9 references as part of my request Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology - are these the type of references required? They are from independent and reliable sources, so I thought these were acceptable. If this isn't the case, can you provide some examples of what is required please? When you say we have 'a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if...declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation' who would I work with in order to create the article through Articles for Creation? I'm happy to explore paid options, but unsure of how I enlist someone to do this. Wejoltd. (talk) 09:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What I meant is that YOU are the paid person, and once you have a new User name, will need to declare this on your User page. Help:Your first article explains how to use the Article Wizard to create and submit to AfC. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wejoltd. It looks to me as if the first reference might be usable. All of the rest are either just passing mentions or based on press releases. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves. The requirement is that several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish material about the subject, without including material that comes from the subject; and that between them they have said enough to form the basis of a reasonable article. I strongly suspect that it is WP:TOOSOON for Wejo.

As for getting somebody to work with you: I advise you very strongly against paying anybody. Paid editors are tolerated here, but many editors dislike the practice. Personally I make a distinction between somebody like yourself that wants to have an article about their company, and somebody who is writing Wikipedia articles for pay. I will help the former (though I often try to help by dissuading them!) I am unwilling to spend any unpaid time helping the latter - and if they claim to guarantee that they can get an article up, they are lying or uninformed. Otherwise, you need to enlist a volunteer - which means you have to find somebody interested enough to take it on: presenting the best three references in your Requested Article with more than just a link or a URL, but with title, date, and who published it, may make that more attractive to somebody. Your best bet is probably to find an appropriate WikiProject, and ask for a collaborator there.

You should also be aware that if an article on Wejo is written and accepted, it will not belong to you, you will not control the contents, and your role in maintaining it will be limited to suggesting changes on the article's talk page. See WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Again, your working for wejo does not preclude you creating an article. SeeUser:Nerilda Meda for an example of how to declare paid. You can click on Edit at the top of that page, copy the content, paste it to your (new) User page, change the company name to your company name, then click on Publish changes at the bottom. In answer to one of your original question, once you have created a draft and submitted it to AfC, typically days to weeks before it is reviewed, but can be months (there is a huge backlog, and it is not a queue). David notMD (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: The thing is, though, it's hard to write a new Wikipedia article from scratch, especially on a platform with which you are not familiar, complying with the Manual of Style, making sure it is not promotional in tone or intent (phrases like organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations are pretty clearly marketing-speak), citing sources properly, finding those reliable and independent sources, etc. This is intentional, again because of WP:NOTPROMO – it's just not what Wikipedia is about. It's much better if one of our thousands of experienced editors and article authors someday reads a magazine or newspaper article about a company or its products, says to themself "I've been hearing a lot about these guys", sees there is no Wikipedia article for it, and decides to invest the time and energy to produce one, free of COI entanglements and bias. That's the ideal. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Paul Dooley filmography

Paul Dooley is uncredited for his role in the Modern Family episode "Dead On A Rival" that aired in 2020. My source is the IMBD 63.131.219.224 (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You should go to Talk:Paul Dooley and make your suggestion there. (I was about to add "Don't rush: IMDB isn't reliable and therefore isn't taken seriously within Wikipedia; you'll need to cite a better source." However, I notice that the long lists in that article are completely unsourced, so I'm no sure what advice I could give with a clear conscience and a straight face.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:OSE? We have a lot of uncited junk that should be cited or slashed. OP: It shouldn't be hard to find an entertainment reporter that mentioned it in some newspaper or magazine article if it's significant. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding sources

Should i add sources of certain chemical. Please see the the talk page of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:5-MeO-DMT/Archives/2020#Adding_sources Machinexa (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: Please use wikilinks (e.g. [[Pagename]]), not external links (https://something), when linking to wiki pages. Your post is at Talk:5-MeO-DMT/Archives/2020#Adding sources. You might reach a more focused audience if you post links to that talk page post at the relevant WikiProjects. Add something like

Please see [[Talk:5-MeO-DMT/Archives/2020#Adding sources]] regarding adding of sources for that substance. ~~~~

to WT:PHARM and WT:Chemicals. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Currently doing a GA review but the nominator is suffering with personal circumstances

I'm currently doing a GA review on the article Plumb (Field Music album), but the nominee has told me on the review page that they are currently experiencing "personal circumstances" so they have found it hard to find time to edit. What should I do here? Thanks in advance, User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 17:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey @User:Thatoneweirdwikier! Looking at the review, I would say wait a couple more days as they said they would get to it soon. If there are still no improvements made, you could fail the article with a note saying that the nom is still free to work on it and it's nothing personal. They could then renominate it when all your points have been addressed. Ghinga7 (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an Edit War?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! An edit war is when editors keep reverting each other. More information can be found here. Is there a reason you ask? Ghinga7 (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

To move the matter from SANDBOX to DRAFT

I moved the content to sandbox to draft for review. How do I come to know, that it has been properly placed in draft. Is there anyway I can check its perfectly placed in DRAFT. Can someone help. Mythili2020 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mythili2020: You have submitted Draft:Ulaganathan Sankar for review. See the message in the yellow box at the bottom, as well as the comment by another editor at the top. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an edit war?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 Welcome to Teahouse, An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions. For more read WP:EDITWAR . Thank you. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 18:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@User:TheChunky P.S. Pings don't work on IPs. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Correct, Ghinga7, but talkbacks do, and I sent one. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh. Didn't see that. Sorry. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, unregistered editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is when one editor makes a change, another undoes it, the first editor makes the change again, and they go back and forth. It can also involve more than two editors. See this page for details. It is pretty much always a bad idea, even for the editor who is in some sense "right" about what the content should be. It is better to follow bold, revert, discuss and start a discussion on the article talk page without making further reverts. Failing that, call the attention of an uninvolved experienced editor or admin or report at the edit warring noticeboard. There is a specific rule against making more than 3 reverts on the same page in a single day, but any edit warring is bad. Reverting clear vandalism is not edit warring, but if there is any question that the other editor is acting in good faith, that exception does not apply. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

adding a new dimension to existing page

How to submit list of previous editors of the Iowa State Daily (1880-2020) on the Iowa State Daily's Wikipedia entry? I am a retired college professor (Journalism) and, for the record, I wanted to create a list of all editors-in-chief of the student paper. Also provide some additional factual information. The whole project runs 17 pages... (I was inspired to submit after looking at how Northwestern University's school newspaper did the same thing. I am submitting my work product to the Iowa State University for its archives, but Wikipedia is more visible. JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC) JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@JTEmmerson: 17 pages sounds like an unsuitable level of detail for a Wikipedia article. I'd suggest discussing it at the talk page of the article, Talk:Iowa State Daily and/or WT:JOURN.

The Daily Northwestern does not have a lit of past editors-in-chief. What it has is a list of people who were student staffers at the paper and later in life had achievements that warranted Wikipedia articles about them (hence their names are in blue). What the Iowa State Daily does need is references, as most of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Article ready for publication

Hi ! My article, "Alphabetical List of Districts of India" is now ready for publication... Special mention must be for AlanM1 who helped me a lot...Can somebody do the needful... Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Is that the text now at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020? Anupamdutta73. Or if it is somewhere else, could you please provide a wiki-link top it? If it is the list linked above, it seems to be entirely unsourced. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

FYI, User: Anupamdutta73, List of districts in India already exists.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

This looks like it could be a valid fork from List of districts in India, since it's so long. It's too bad that there's not an easy way to put this into an underlying relational database, so it could be updated in once place and then fed to the two articles where this info will sit. Example: the sandbox content above, and List of districts of Andhra Pradesh, for the 13 districts in Andra Pradesh. But that's probably a discussion for the village pump and article talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear my fellow Wikipedians, I thank you all sincerely for reviewing my draft.... I am putting forward the following arguments / clarifications for your suggestions.
1. The draft is at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020

2. Bolding issue - I have done the corrections. 3. India is a country with 36 divisions (28 States & 8 Union Territories) as of now. They are further divided into 739 districts..., The article List of Districts of India covers the topic quite well, covering State/ Union Territories wise.
My article is placing them together, so can be sorted for rankings. This will be put as a separate article, but linked with the above article. 4. Now there are 2,220 cells with numbers (3 columns for 739 districts + 1 row for summation). Add to this, Sl no. & Dist. Sl. No. - 1,478 columns.... Total columns with numbers come to 3,698.. So I have not formatted them. Similarly, there is no link to anywhere, as I want to keep the table simple.. Waiting for your valuable feedbacks. Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Comments moved to sandbox talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with deleting

Hello! I added some documented history to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Fitness and a user keeps deleting it. This person has argued in the talk and does not acknowledge any of the verified information, despite the evidence of links and even a legal document. Is there anything that can be done other than undoing his undoing?

Thanks. K Katherine311MH (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't engage in an edit war by continuing to add the deleted edits. If you can't get consensus at the talk page, then follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 18:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Disagreeing is not harassing. The two of you are verging on an edit war. Both of you have properly moved the discussion to the Talk page, but clearly continue to disagree. RudolfRed recommended the proper next step. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have moved on to the next step. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: I'll join the discussion as an impartial third party. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your time. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

New question

How can I have my page republished

hello

I created a page named 'Daniel Pomarede', but this page has disappeared after 3 days; I am from the physics community, and I confirm Daniel Pomarede is a real scientist well known in the community of astronomy.

I am ready to change the text but can you help me, either by improving the text yourself, or by telling me what I must remove or change in the text. Thank you for helping me. Jacques treille (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Your attempt at an article has been moved to Draft:Daniel Pomarede to allow you time to improve it before submitting it for review. David notMD (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Do not submit it yet, as given that it has no references, it surely would be Declined. Also, do not remove tags (it was tagged advertisement-like). If you can achieve proper tone and content, that decision will be up to another editor. David notMD (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

It may be useful for you to read the guidelines described in WP:COISELF. Aldebarium (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jacques treille. For a new editor to try to create an article as the first thing they do is like trying to play a piano concerto after your first music lesson. If you haven't already read Your first article, please do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Understood you are not creating an article about yourself, but rather someone you know professionally. You should state as much on your User page - in effect declaring a conflict of interest. Going forward, avoid writing what you know personally, as all content needs to rest on published sources. David notMD (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

How to unprotect an article?

 DarkerDai (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:DarkerDai and welcome to Wikipedia. Non-admin users can't unprotect pages; however, you can ask for page unprotection here. Alternatively, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page. Which page, in particular, do you want unprotected? Ghinga7 (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm just trying to correct a name but I'm not sure on Wikipedia's policy regarding non-English names.

If an article is protected, you may make an edit request on the article talk page, that an editor with access to the article can review. 331dot (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

How long does it take for an article to be deleted? - I am cleaning up my user space.PNSMurthy (talk) 04:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: Hi, and welcome to the teahouse! If you want to delete pages in your user space, simply copy the code {{db-u1}} and paste it on top of the page that you want to delete. It usually doesn't take very long for an administrator to delete the page. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 04:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I have saved it on my template user page in case it is needed in future!PNSMurthy (talk) 05:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

how to make public my hopeful Wikipedia page

Greetings! :) I am new, and probably being totally silly with not knowing, but I have written an article on my User page (I think), I want it to be published for the public to see, but I don't know how? as in the next process? :) I dont know if i have used the wrong bit to write it? any help will be amazing! :) THANKS }} FairlyPuzzled (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:FairlyPuzzled, and welcome to Wikipedia. To answer your question: You're not silly, I still don't know some things, so don't feel bad. I do see the article on your Userpage. This is not the correct place for new article tests; You would probably waant to put it in your sandbox (a copy is already there, so great!) or Draft:(insert name of article). Then, you could have someone review it through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process. However, before you do that, I would suggest you add more Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Then it would probably be ready. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, FairlyPuzzled: Welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a huge beast, and editing it is different from almost any other task you may have met, so don't worry about not understanding it all. I have put a welcome message with some useful resources on your user talk page.

I'm afraid that the task you have undertaken - creating a new article - is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Wikipedia: I liken it to playing a piano concerto, and for a new editor to try it is like playing one after your first music lesson. My suggestion is that you put that project on hold for a while (nobody will touch your draft for at least six months, so you can come back to it later) and get some experience of how Wikipedia works first. We have six million articles, many thousands of which are in desperate need of some TLC. The Community portal has some suggestions of what needs doing. Then when you want to return to your new article, read Help:Your first article.

Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 07:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Online reference to A Glossary of Basketball Terms

I am a retired former basketball referee and consultant who writes blogs on Facebook and trying to attempt to write my life story.Can I refer to/use an online link to the Wikipedia Glossary of Basketball Terms, so non-basketball people can get explanations which basketball people do understand? Candobasketball (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• You certainly can link to Glossary of basketball terms or any other article, Candobasketball. Wikipedia's licensing is permissive enough that you may even copy-paste the contents of the article on your own blog/website as long as you attribute the work correctly. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content for details, but a mention such as definition from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms, CC-BY-SA is sufficient.

While you are here, if you happen to notice mistakes in the glossary, please correct them, we are always happy to have insights from expert editors. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding text to Wikipedia

 Andre.Oeltran (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Andre.Oeltran Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there any particular text you want to add? If you would like to learn more about using and editing Wikipedia, you may use the new user tutorial(click that link to go there). 331dot (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on multiple talk pages which reference each other

My goal here is to improve so any specific or general advice would be appreciated. As I'm a fairly new wikipedian I decided that instead of making some changes to the Larry Nassar and related articles I would make a suggestion in the talk pages. This seemed like the best course of action as I hoped somebody could guide me on how best to include this new content. I've only ever really stuck to editing existing content and I've never added content or made moderate changes to articles before. Is this the right thing to do or am I just lacking in confidence? On the talk pages Talk:Larry Nassar, Talk:Athlete A, Talk:USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal I've made multiple suggestions which reference one another and I was unsure how to avoid duplicating the comments. I couldn't find any guidance on cross-referencing talk page discussion. Is there a better way to do this? Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Trying to make page title and heading

I'm having trouble creating a page title and publishing this page. Can you help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XY04/sandbox XY04 (talk) 06:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you are not able to change the page title of your article draft from "User:XY04/sandbox" until it is moved into the mainspace. If you need any further help with your article, take a look at Help:Your first article. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: May I just point out that, in its present form, your draft would have zero chance of getting published here? Please read this page about 'notable' actors to appreciate that a brief mention of someone's participation in one TV series does not mean they automatically deserve a Wikipedia article about them. You will need to find three or four detailed, independent and in-depth reliable sources that talk about her, or which show she has met our other notability criteria in some way. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC) 

XY04, Nick Moyes is quite correct, this draft needs additional sources and detail before it could be accepted as an article, and it will never be accepted unless Romano can be shown to be notable. There is no need to worry about the page title at this stage. However, if it bothers you, the draft could be moved to User:XY04/Tatsumi Romano at any time. Ganbaruby is not correct that such a change cannot be made before a draft is approved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @XY04: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ability to mark personal thoughts/notes/comments

Is there any way to mark/track changes you want to make or are thinking about making in a private manner? Almost like a drafts? In my head it felt like I was looking for a way to highlight/comment like I would personally when I've printed off something to read and understand like a research paper. I might write "Needs rewording". Sometimes when I'm just reading on Wikipedia I'll see issues I just want to flag even though I don't have time to fix them at that moment or even make progress on how to fix them.

Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jclaxp Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Every edit to every page on Wikipedia appears in the Recent Changes feed. If you edit, say, your sandbox just to take notes, it is potentially visible to the public if they see it in the changes feed or otherwise know how to find your sandbox- even though that is not very likely. If you want to write something that is completely private, you should do so off-wiki, like in a word processing or note taking program. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hi, thanks for the response. I have no issue with them being public, but they would be more my own thoughts. So would the sandbox be the way to go then? A note taking program could be helpful but I am only thinking very quickly note that something needs checking for example. I think this would be overkill for me personally. Jclaxp talk 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I use my own Sandbox as a to-do and working-on space, but clean out the stuff I am done with, so that it does not get overlong. Sometimes I will copy a section of an article the there, work on it, then used my revised to replace the section in the article. This allows me to check for referencing errors, spelling, grammar, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Jclaxp Yes, you could use your sandbox for that purpose. You could even create a subpage such as User:Jclaxp/Notes if you wanted to keep your sandbox open to write entire drafts. 331dot (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

3rd Party Help Article Deletion

Race-reversed_casting Was reading this article, researched the references and was false with a lot of editorial biased. Not on reference has the word "Race-reversed_casting" in it. How do you get a 3rd party to review? Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring. Editors involved have taken it to Talk page. Mention there of consideration of AfD, but not started yet. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

United Macedonian Diaspora article

I have noticed the United Macedonian Diaspora article has been deleted once already and is now pending 2nd nomination for deletion due to apparently not having enough reliable sources. I decided to dig further for sources showing this is a legitimate organization. I made changes to the article and cited numerous books, journals, and reports, including a report by the World Bank, and books/journal publications available on Academia.edu and ProQuest. There seem to be a lot of sources in Greek language books and journals, for which I used Google translate to assist in providing as accurate a translation as possible. This organization is not lacking in reliable sources by any means. All the reliable sources I cited in the article were found in easy Google searches using "United Macedonian Diaspora" academia.edu in the search engine. There are more, which can help confirm their legitimacy.

Did I do a good job in adding reliable sources so that the article is not permanently deleted? Macedonia1913 (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Please be aware that when the notability of a subject is assessed, it's the quality of the sources that matters, not the quantity. Adding references to sources which aren't independent of the subject, or just make passing mention of it, won't help; indeed, it will make it harder for reviewers to find any good sources (if there are any; I didn't find any among the few that I checked). Maproom (talk) 08:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Macedonian Diaspora (2nd nomination). It's up to participants in that discussion to decide whether the topic is notable, and we can't pre-empt the outcome here, Macedonia1913. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Maproom and Cordless Larry. It seems that some editors are misinterpreting WP:SCHOLARSHIP and reliable sources and just deleting my edits. That is why I came here to ask the editors' opinions. Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to integrate into the community

Hello. I am sure it is an unusual occurrence to see someone who has been on Wikipedia for 6 years, here. However, I am going to ask a question I should have asked as a new user. In the grand scheme of things, I do not feel integrated into the community. When I look at the pop music sphere of Wikipedia, the editors around the early 2010s seem to have gotten along and been friendly with each other. But I recently realized that despite my big tenure, I have no friends on Wikipedia. There aren't five people on here I can approach to leave some comments at a lousy FAC. So I guess the main question is, as someone only majorly interested in modern pop music, how am I supposed to find likeminded editors and not feel so alone on here? Is the problem my narcissistic approach? What would be advice you would give to me. Or is my dilemma just a real-life problem I am projecting on Wikipedia? Would be glad to see someone else's take on this. Thanks. NØ 12:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: You are not at all narcissistic! I know for a fact that your work here has impacted thousands, creating and meticulously maintaining all those articles about pop muisc. Just look at the amount of GAs you've contributed to! I believe that not just the entire Wikipedia community, but every single incoming Wikipedia reader is appreciative of your time and effort around here. A way that I would try to find other editors to turn to is to find out who's interacting with pages you edit often. Who's popping up on your watchlist all the time? Who's dropping by on your talk page to leave messages? If said editor also edits music related articles (even jazz or rock) often, chances are that they have a pretty good grasp on how to edit pop music articles, and will respond to any questions or concerns you may have. You can also check out WikiProject Music and its many sub-projects and see what's going on around there and help others out; perhaps they'll reciprocate that assistance somewhere down the road! Don't stress out too much about the FAC: a lot of editors are quite busy, and I'm sure someone will come around and give more comments on it. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the "pop music sphere" (which I don't know at all) is more full than others with "short-term" editors who don't interact too much with other editors, and also rather fragmented, with most regulars concentrating on a relatively narrow band of articles (unintended pun). Some areas are like that - others not. Is there a pop wikiproject, or set of them? Appearing on the talk there is a way of getting better known. Not archiving your talk page quickly might give a more sociable impression. With your number of FAs, you could comment on more general policy talk pages, deletion pages, or FAC, which would raise your profile among the wider community. Johnbod (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Eliminaron mi página y necesito recuperarla

Hola, por favor necesito ayuda, ayer cree la la página de la biografía del Director del Centro de investigación donde trabajo, Sergio Lavandero, destacado científico chileno, pero me la borraron y bloquearon mi usuario. Dicho investigador esta postulando para ganar un reconocido premio nacional y necesita esta página.

Agradecería me pudieran ayudar por favor, a entender en qué me equivoqué y solucionar a la brevedad posible este problema. Periodista ACCDIS SL (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article in English Wikipedia called Sergio Lavandero. I suspect that you are referring to the Spanish Wikipedia: you will need to address your queries there, to es:WP: Café: They are separate projects, with separate rules and administrators. --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Periodista ACCDIS SL --ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this invention the solution to Global Warming?

Hello I have invented a new type of wind turbine that you hang instead of mount atop a tower. Data suggests that it is making electric power at a very low cost because you do not need to own the land beneath it or construct a tower. A tower is over 90% of the cost and weight of a wind turbine. The HWT can be put up and taken down quickly, it can be made using alternators and blades made by existing windmill companies. It can be hung up on existing infrastructure so no new land is required to put them anywhere there is wind. We have website https://www.revoltwind.com

I am only the inventor and as such my words should be taken with a grain of salt. I believe it is making electric power at a fraction of the cost of any known technology. I do not wish to make this claim until it has been verified by others. But I know that the design works and survives storm force winds. Power measurements verify that it produces power in amounts predicted. And anyone can own one because in a small size there is no permit required by local building code authorities. The price is so low that it is affordable to almost anyone. Larger sized units are on the drawing board. I believe it can be used to build the world's largest wind turbine because blade length is limited by tower height. Without the need for a tower it could have longer blades. And you can hang a wind turbine much higher than a tower can reach. Beneath a blimp for example. Or on high rise buildings and off cliffs and rock walls. Other hanging designs rely on vertical axis designs. Vertical axis has many issues due to large cantilever loads on blades and half the rotor must spin upwind robbing the downwind side of power.

This is my first time making a post. A friend asked me to look at getting the invention on here. I am a one man company at this point. No sales revenue...yet. I believe the HWT will allow everyone on planet earth to own their own wind powered electric generator in some size. Whether 6 inch blades or 60 ft blades. The economics and convenience are simply too compelling to ignore given the global warming threat and the need for electric power in nations that have no oil. Hanging Wind Turbine (HWT)

Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Greenbanditninja. Congratulations on your invention, and I hope it goes well for you. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is completely the wrong place to tell people about it. Wikipedia does not accept original research. Only when your invention has got to the stage where several people unconnected with you, and unprompted by information directly from you, have chosen to write about it at some length in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, will it meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Perhaps Alternative outlets may suggest some places to announce it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page

Hello Teahouse!

I have found myself contributing to a number of pages dedicated to cars. I have amassed quite a lot of information on a car designer but found there isn't a page for him. How easy is it to create a Wikipedia page listing information about his life and his work? Adding this information to every car he designed seems a bit long and unnecessary.

Many thanks, HMS HMSConqueror (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@HMSConqueror: Thanks for your interest in adding information. You might want to check out WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. It’s very hard to write an article if you are new. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a Dispute, where to go?

There is a dispute and it seems all the recourses I am aware of, don't help. The dispute was at the ANI where an editor was blocked after the discussion, then at the blocking Sysops talk page, and at the DRN, and all instances, at least as for now, refuse to make any comment to the content of the dispute. EdJohnston made one for edit warring, but without checking the content of the dispute. The content is still disputed as the article includes a quote that the Kurds should have returned Tell Abyad to the Raqqa Governorate at the time ruled by ISIS, then that they renamed Tell Abyad to Gire Spi instead of just also allowing other languages instead of only the arabic name and also that they imposed a Latin script name instead of one an Arabic script. Latin script is present all over Syria. The editor reverts me if I remove such a phrase and the DRN refuses to comment for 6 days. Where else should I go? The dispute was and is really vivid. Thanks for the help.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, if all options are exhausted regarding admins, ArbCom. See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/ArbCom. Ed6767 talk! 00:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Doug Weller mentioned the ArbCom is not an appropriate idea for the moment

Paradise Chronicle, please be aware that being correct in a content dispute is not a defense against a block for edit warring. There are many alternatives to edit warring and that behavior is prohibited on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328 Yeah I know, but the other editor constantly reverts and doesn't get sanctioned. The reverting editor also doesn't provide compelling arguments, and often only reverts. I in change have explained my changes at the talk page thoroughly. An other editor, too. The reverting editor hasn't though and doesn't at the moment as well. Still he comes through with his edit war. The editor defends that Tell Abyad was detached unilaterally by the "Kurds" from the Syrian Raqqa Governorate which at the time (2015) was governed by ISIS. Raqqa was captured only in October 2017 from ISIS. Also that the Kurds imposed Latin script which arabs aren't familiar with is a hoax as Latin script is present all over the traffic signs in Syria. I provided sources for this, still he gets right by edit war. Heoesnt bring up arguments, only edit war. Since the 22 June he hasn't provided any useful arguments to the talk page. The last sourced "argument" of the editor was a private twitter account. I have answered to this with 3 sourced arguments on the 23 June. No reply to this, only edit war.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, the proper place to discuss the content dispute is Talk:Tell Abyad and you should use dispute resolution if you cannot agree. We certainly cannot resolve the content dispute here at the Teahouse. Follow the correct procedures, please. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The Tell Abyad discussion at the DRN was opened by Volunteer. As to me, the matter for why I came here is solved. I wanted that the dispute gets viewed, and now the dispute is getting viewed. Thanks for the advice, and sorry for the insistence.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The list of transgender people murdered has been hijacked by transphobic people.

How did we let over 195K in change happen to an article about Transgender people who have been murdered be undone due to "lack of sources" when each listing include at least 2 sources? This is unacceptable. This is a blatant attack on the trans community to erase our struggle. As you can see in the edits, the page has undergone some significant edits during Pride month 2020 targeting transwomen of color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender

Review the edits and see that several people have tried to undo the harm caused. Even HRC, GLADD, the United Nations, and several other organizations agree that people removed were wrongfully removed. I will be exposing this to the press tomorrow. Tbrianware (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tbrianware: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, the 195,000+ removal was done by ClueBot, which is a bot that reverts vandalism and is usually correct. Regarding prior removals: all list entries must be backed up by reliable sources. The motive of the killing must be confirmed by these sources to be because the victim was transgender. If you have any disagreements with the removals, start a discussion at the Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. You can use the {{reply to}} template to notify any involved users that there's a discussion concerning them. Hope this helped clear things up a bit. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

But how??? This is too complicated when Transpeople are being erased by the hundreds... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 07:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, the edit that removed 195,000 bytes from the article didn't remove any sourced content, Tbrianware. It was reverting a previous edit by a now-blocked user, who replaced the entire content with transphobic abuse (the content of this edit is now hidden from non-admins to prevent harm). Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues, but that's not related to the -195,000 edit, and is being discussed at Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Go through the history. Hundreds of people have been systematically removed during June of this year. Slowly and methodically. This MUST be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 15:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I acknowledged that: "Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues". The place to address this is on the article's talk page, not at the Teahouse though. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tbrianware: In case the link above is not apparent, please discuss at Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to be an auto-confirmed user

I do some research. It said most English Wikipedia user accounts that are more than four days old and have made at least 10 edits considered autoconfirmed. I try to edit some articles. But I am not sure how to check how many edits I have been made. Besides of edit the articles. What else counts for the 10 edits? Thank you. Stephanie Stephanie.ecms (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

You will see a list of your edits by clicking on the "Contributions" link at the top right-hand corner of any page. The 10 edit count for being autoconfirmed isn't restricted to article edits, and it does include edits to pages which have subsequently been deleted (which wouldn't be shown on your contribution record). Prior to being autoconfirmed, if you want to suggest changes to a semi-protected article you can do so on the article's talk page, using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

When I click on contributions, there are list are 7 contributions. Is that mean those are what I have been edited. When there list 10 edits, I can consider autoconfirmed users? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talk • contribs) 18:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Stephanie.ecms After you have made at least 10 edits to any article or page on Wikipedia) and your account is at least 4 days old, the system will automatically set your status to autoconfirmed. (that is the "auto" part). Currently you have 8 total edits, and your account was created at 2020-06-29 21:13 (UTC) so you haven't got enough edits or enough time yet. After 2 more edits, and a bity more than 2 more days you will have. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

That's right, Stephanie.ecms. But, may I ask, what exactly is it that you are waiting to be autoconfirmed for? Though there are various things you have the power to do once you're autoconfirmed, I would advise almost any new user not to do those things. If you are waiting to do the (extremely difficult) task of creating a new article, then use articles for creation; if you are wanting to Move a page, or edit a semi-protected page, it is much better to discuss this first on the article's talk page: you can do all of these before you are autoconfirmed. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I am doing this because I want to create a Wikipedia Page for my company. Based on my research, I thought I need to be an autoconfirmed user to create a page for my company. Am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talk • contribs) 18:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

You should not be creating a Wikipedia article for your company. You need to read about conflict of interest, and you need to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

First, please remember to 'sign' your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. In theory, being autoconfirmed means you can create an article without going through the "articles for creation." You have been strongly cautioned (above) to not attempt this. The AfC process means that drafts are reviewed by experienced editors before being moved to Wikipedia, being Declined (try to make it better), or Rejected (forget about it). A simple question: is your company so well known that people who have no connection to the company have published lengthy articles about it? If not, give up. David notMD (talk) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing a footnote

I'd like to remove the third footnote to the essay WP:Student assignments. The footnote reads "See the essay WP:Assignments." (WP:Assignments links back to WP:Student assignments, meaning that the footnote just says to read the article the viewer is... already reading. Huh.) Assuming this is a good idea, how would I go about doing so? I don't want to break any formatting.

Also, would it be best to bring this issue up on the talk page for WP:Student assignments first? Birdsinthewindow (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Birdsinthewindow: I'd click edit and remove the code <ref>See the essay [[WP:Assignments]]</ref>. At the time that footnote was added, WP:ASSIGNMENTS was a separate essay, but it was redirected in 2017. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Rejection of Article: Carolyn Lee Jones

Question on comments by reviewer MurielMary: All of the references that review one or another of Carolyn Lee Jones' CDs are "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Why do you think otherwise? I am asking because I know of no way to find reviews of her performances that differ in any way from the references cited. Thank you -- Robert Hadsell Rmhadsell (talk) 18:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Carolyn Lee Jones. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: It seems like the publications reviewing her work are all quite low-quality, i.e. she has not yet attracted the attention of high-grade critics. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Factual Vandalism

Hello! I wish to edit the wording of an article given its opinionated writing. I'd like to do it in a manner (using Understrike as a letter format) that exposes the way it was written before as such. Hopefully, in doing so some may also find this laughable. And kind of a distinct form of writing. Would this be ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Hdez H (talk • contribs) 09:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jose Hdez H Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are saying that you want to leave inappropriate information in an article but mark it as such, no, you should not do that. If it's not appropriate for the article, it should be discussed on the article talk page and possibly removed if there is a consensus to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

At articles, clicking on View history (top menu), and then a date in the chronological list of past edits allows viewers to see prior versions of the article. Any editor can also create a discussion on the Talk page of the article to explain changes. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the characterization because of cite problems I noted at Talk:Bili ape#Bad cite. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for suggestions/feedback.

I started editing Wikipedia just 45 days back. I love editing Wikipedia. Can anyone provide any type of feedback or suggestion for betterment of my volunteering based on my few edits?? Thanks in advance for your time and attention. बृहस्पति (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@बृहस्पति: Welcome. Please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. My other recommendation would be have a user name in characters that are friendly for people with disabilities. We have people editing with visual impairments who may not be able to read or type your user name. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: It appears that this user also contributes to Gujurati Wikipedia. (I think the username is in Hindi script rather than Gujurati script, but the user might be interested in contributing to other Indic-language projects.) Given that you need to have the same username across all projects these days, it may make sense for this user to keep this username, even if it's harder for English speakers. See also WP:NONLATIN. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to upload a photo in draft

 2409:4073:2E97:C19E:77F7:FE00:942:978F (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If this is about Draft:Dev Mohan, I suggest you don't worry about photos until you've got the basics handled: enough reliably published independent sources to establish notabililty. Until you do that, then any work you do on it is liable to be wasted. If it's not about that, please tell us which draft you're talking about. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The article will likely not be approved because it's WP:TOOSOON. It's his first film, and it comes out tomorrow. He doesn't meet the criteria of WP:NACTOR. The other footnoted sources briefly mention his background before this film, but you're better off just adding some simple info about him to the film's article, in a "cast" section, and waiting to see if he has other roles. Save the text! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Individual editing of sections on my Talk page has been disabled

Oh Great Teahouse folks, forgive me as I have sinned and I can not figure out how to do the proper Wikipedia act of contrition.

Somehow, when I want to edit my Talk page I can not edit an individual section but can only edit the entire page. Somehow I have managed (more like stumbled on to) shut off individual section editing.

How can I fix my talk page so I can edit just one section rather than the entire page? Is there a switch that is set somewhere or is there some magic markup language that needs to be included?

Osomite (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! You have done all kinds of weird things to your talk page, including arranging for the Table of Contents to appear in the 14th section and tilted at an angle, and arranging for the individual sections not to be editable. It has been that way for at least two months. If you've forgotten how you did it, you could use the page's edit history to step back a month at a time until you find which month you made the critical edit, then narrow it down further until you find exactly how you did it. Maproom (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Thank you for appreciating the weirdness of my talk page. Yes, the TOC is tilted at an angle. I copied that from a humorous talk page I came across, I added it because it amuses me every time I see it. There needs to be more serendipity in things. I appreciate the approach you suggest to track down my problem. Before asking for help I did start that approach, but using this pretty crummy editor made it difficult and made my head hurt. So to relieve myself of a hurt head, I decided to throw myself on the mercy of the oh great and wise Teahouse wikifolks. Hence, I bared my mess of a talk page to criticism.

Note that the gracious and generous PrimeHunter pointed out my problem was created from some "NO EDIT SECTION" code insert by the Signpost newsletter that shows up automatically, so it doesn't look like it was a problem of my own creation.

Osomite (talk) 22:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The tilted TOC was done with the HTML code <div style="-moz-transform:rotate(-4deg);-webkit-transform:rotate(-4deg); transform:rotate(-4deg);">__TOC__ <br> </div>, and i would advise you to remove that, Osomite and let the normal automatic ToC display. I don't see what has disabled section editing, but there is a lot of markup on that page. There are also quite a few things which ideally do not belong on a user talk page but on a user page or on a user sub-page such as my tools page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I appreciate you looking at my problem. Yes, my Talk page is a collection of wikistuff that I have collected that I have thought would be useful someday, someplace, or just or have for reference and links to entertaining talk pages. The "tilted TOC" is one of those whimsical things that amuse me. Within Wikipedia there really isn't any other logical place to save stuff, the sandbox might be another place, howsoever the Talk page is where it all gets put. It looks like a mess, it is a mess. Is there a better place to keep this wikistuff? You mention a user sub-page, I will look into that to see how that might work.

The gracious and generous PrimeHunter pointed out my problem was created from some "NO EDIT SECTION" code insert by the Signpost newsletter that shows up automatically, so it doesn't look like it was a problem of my own creation.

Osomite (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Osomite: Fixed by [7]. Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-snippet was adding __NOEDITSECTION__ at all transclusions before. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, thank you for looking into my problem about not being able to edit individual sections on my talk page and for fixing it. I would have never found the "NO EDIT SECTION" that was causing my problem. Thank you very much. Osomite (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Osomite: Glad to be of help. Old revisions and previews never show section edit links so it would have been hard to figure out without knowing we have a command to remove them. I knew __NOEDITSECTION__ had to be transcluded from somewhere when it wasn't in the source so I copied your talk page to Special:ExpandTemplates to track it down. I was surprised to find three occurrences in the generated wikitext but they had the same origin. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Osomite. The normal purpose of your user talk page is to allow other Wikipedia editors to communicate with you, and to allow you to reply to such messages. Anything that hinders that function is not a good idea. You can have as many user sub-pages (sometimes called userspace pages) as you want, provided that they are all relevant to editing Wikipedia in some way. You can also put drafts in such pages. A user sub-page is simply a page whose name begins with your user name in the user namespace. In your case, any page with a name starting User:Osomite/. You could have such pages as User:Osomite/Stuff, User:Osomite/experiments, or User:Osomite/Links. Drafts can be kept on such pages as User:Osomite/Topic1 and User:Osomite/Topic2. Your sandbox is also a user sub-page. I personally keep a table of links and bits of wiki-code, mostly template calls, for copying into articles or pages at User:DESiegel/Tools. I have also modified my interface so that a link to this page appears at the top of every Wikipedia page, next to the standard link to my sandbox, as well as a link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:DESiegel/ which lists all my user sub-pages. You could add such links if you choose to. Such a page or pages would be a better place to stick the kind of thing now on your user talk page, in my opinion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I see you use User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js to make the subpages link. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:IXL Learning

I have recently hit a wall in contributing to my draft. it has been declined due to it sounding too much like an advertisement, and I don't know where to begin in fixing this issue to get it approved. Any advice on where to get started? Le Panini (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Le Panini (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: A good place to start would be to cut the primary sources. This includes directly citing IXL's website and other sources that host IXL's press releases (eg. PR Newswire where it says "news provided by IXL learning"). Instead, base the article on reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Some things to definitely cut out are statistics and claims that IXL makes: those make the article sound promotional (eg. "over 10 million students"). Do not quote IXL on it's accomplishments either (eg. "IXL takes pride in"). Also watch out for words that introduce bias. In the end, we want to have an article that describes the subject as neutrally as possible. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 02:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Unable to submit edit

I’ve Gotten all the way to “Publish” but am stuck in a maddening cycle of having the CAPTCHA reset endlessly, but with no explanation of why. MSW,JP (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

MSW,JP, welcome to the Teahouse! could you tell us which article you're trying to edit? It may be protected from editing to prevent vandalism. Thank you! All the best, -- puddleglum^2.0 15:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: see also Special:Captcha which suggests that issues adding unacceptable links can cause problems. You've clearly managed to post here, so that's a start! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: Make sure you've disabled any sort of script/ad-blocker – they can interfere with captchas. Are you sure there are no error messages on the page that you're missing (like an edit filter message about links mentioned above)? Also, if your work is significant, copy and paste it into a local file on your computer so you don't lose it while you search for a solution. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:11, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

In my experience (but I seem to be unlucky with this kind of thing) the Captcha can re-present itself endlessly, even when you have given the correct answer. You shouldn't assume, just because the Captcha sets another puzzle, that you got the previous one wrong. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way, because it's exactly what I did a couple of times early on, when overtired: when you've entered your typed copy of the Captcha puzzle, do NOT click the "Refresh" button next to it! Instead scroll down to the "Publish changes" button and click that. The "Refresh" is only a request for a different Captcha puzzle if you can't read the one presented.

If you weren't making this mistake, my apologies. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.20 (talk) 07:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, 87 a.k.a. 2. That's probably the same mistake I have made several times. Maproom (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I’m trying to edit Susan Lisa Rosenberg. Thx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MSW,JP (talk • contribs) 02:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

User level to create articles without approval

Hi! I'm sure there is a tutorial about this, but I can't find it. I want to know how can I create articles without the pending approval, i.e. what can I do to improve my user level in order to reach this. How many edits do I have to do in order to reach it? Many thanks!--Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ocatarinetabelachitchix, Welcome to Teahouse, the feature which allows you write articles without approval is Autopatrolled (click to read more). There is no fixed limit or goal that you have to create this much articles. But as a suggestion you can make at least 25-30 good articles through submission process. And those articles should be well styled, grammatically correct, highly notable and there should be no mistake by which reviewer will reject your any of the articles. Also do some copyedit edit to other articles. It means you have to be experienced user. After that you can apply for Autopatrolled rights through this link. But keep in mind 25-30 articles is not target for this right. That is just suggestion. Admims provide this right after watching over all performance of the users. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• • Autopatrolled status allows you to create articles directly into mainspace without any review. It's not easy to obtain. You can stop going through AfC anytime after you are AUTOCONFIRMED. That being said, it isn't a good idea to create an article in mainspace. It should still be drafted in draftspace and moved to mainspace only after you are certain it passes the notability guidelines. John from Idegon (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ocatarinetabelachitchix, the suggestion given by John from Idegon is also good. After being Autoconfirmed user, you have move your article from Draft to Mainspace. But that will be marked as Not Patrolled or Not reviewed. After that an user at least having Autopatrolled right will review it. After review, the wiki allows search engines to index it. Both suggestions are good for you. Hope you understand. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi - I'm one of those autoconfirmed users; I started editing here in 2005. I (almost) never create articles directly in main space. I also don't work in draft space, but rather in personal sandboxes. You can see some of my editing sandboxes as links from User:Ceyockey/sandbox. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Ocatarinetabelachitchix et al.: There are 4098 users with the autopatrolled right. Of those, none of the accounts were created in 2020, and 94% were created in 2014 or before:

Year	Count	%
2019	25	0.6%
2018	32	0.8%
2017	60	1.5%
2016	47	1.1%
2015	79	1.9%
< 2015	3855	94.1%
Total	4098	100%

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to set up something so that my posts will be reviewed by a more senior editor?

Hi all,

I recently joined but I am looking to get more involved. Is there a setting where any edits I make can be referred to more senior editors of that topic before they are posted? I just want to build up confidence first before making changes that someone might have to revert back.

Thank you. DarkerDai (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@DarkerDai: Welcome. Please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Timtempleton: — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkerDai (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@DarkerDai: although Timtempleton mentioned Adopt-a-User, I have to tell you this is totally unsuited to you right now, as you have not, as yet, made a single edit to an article at this point. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but Adoption is for users who have already demonstrated a degree of commitment to contributing to Wikipedia and want to improve their editing skills via adoption. Places like this Teahouse will suit you far better, as will simply 'being bold' and doing your best, and learning or asking if anyone does revert anything you've done. By all means make an edit and ask about it here, but Adoption is a two-way commitment and I feel you would be wasting your time seeking an adopter at this point of starting on your own personal Wikipedia adventure. (Well done on getting all 15 TWA badges, by the way). Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: ah, ok. Thank you for getting back to me. You're, right, I don't think it would suit me. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't creating extra work for people. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkerDai (talk • contribs) 20:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the clarification - I didn't know that the Adopt-a-User program was meant for people already editing, and the program page doesn't specify that you have to be somewhat experienced - it just says for new and inexperienced users. If the presumptive implementation is as you say, that suggests there's an onboarding gap between completing the Wikipedia adventure and getting more hands-on mentoring. We've all answered queries here to the effect - "I want to help - how do I find articles that need to be fixed?" @DarkerDai: I did some more digging and it seems that this is a good next step Help:Getting started, followed by this Wikipedia:Community portal, if you scroll down to where it says "help out". Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I'd like to answer that, but feel my reply might be a bit long and off-topic or, worse, wrongly taken as a criticism of the OP. So I'll reply on your talk page, if I may. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

 @DarkerDai: Please sign your messages on discussion (talk) pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:

This is the last line of the message. ~~~~

The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps readers understand who said what.

Additionally, on talk pages, it is customary to indent your replies by one more indent level than the posting above you. For example, in this case, I have started my post with three colons (:::) because the post above me (by Nick Moyes) started with two colons. Thanks, and again, welcome! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you for that. I'll do my best to make sure it's there going forward. Thanks again. DarkerDai (talk) 07:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Citing a reference to a commercial product

Hello. I am currently editing an article about a drama that has been broadcast on TV. I would like to mention that the drama has also been released as a DVD, but the only evidence I have for that is the DVD's product pages in various on-line stores such as Amazon. I am wondering if it would be OK to cite one or more of those product pages as a reference for the DVD? Or would the fact that these are commercial pages - whose goal is to promote the product - rule that out? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mike Marchmont. I haven't found an explicit policy on it, but my thought is that if the only evidence of the existence of something is somebody selling it, then I don't think it belongs in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: I think this is a borderline case. I lean toward excluding, because most users would assume that many shows/movies are also available on DVD. It probably doesn't need to be mentioned in the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: and @ColinFine:, thank you both for your replies. I'll take your good advice and skip the mention of the DVD. It's not really central to the article. -- Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a reference document at odds with an account given in Wikipedia

My question concerns the article titled "Libby Prison Escape",[Prison Escape] a notorious prison escape by Union officers from a Confederate Prison in Richmond Virginia during the Civil War. The Wikipedia version gives credit for the planning and execution of the escape to a Major Hamilton and Col. Rose. The primary reference seems to be an account of the escape authored by Hamilton

In doing genealogy research I was reading "History of the Indiana Fifty-first Regiment" . The account the escape from Libby Prison given by this source attributes the leadership to Col. A. Streight of the Indiana 51st. While the essential details of the prison break, which I presume where published soon after the actual prison break are the same. There are some details following the break-out that are different from the present Wikipedia article.

My Question: Is this issue something that the editors of Wikipedia would pursue and if so in what fashion? Please advise me. I am willing to work to add details from the book that I have. However, my interest is rather focused on this issue rather than a general desire to understand the inner workings of Wikipedia.

Marie Scearce L1ndaLibby (talk) 02:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Libby Prison escape

Comment: left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Teahouse discussion about Libby Prison Escape in case those familiar with the subject matter have something to add.

Wikipedia doesn't pursue such a discrepancy directly, no. We leave the assessment of primary sources, who have a stake in swaying the story one way or another, to secondary sources like peer-reviewed articles or history books. We simply summarize what those sources say. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, L1ndaLibby. You are to be congratulated on the approach you have taken to this. As you clearly have access to the published book, which many other editors probably won't, I might suggest you expand what information you have over at the talk page of the article itself, rather than link to this soon-to-be-archived Teahouse discussion. I'm assuming this alternative source of information is both reliable and properly published - it certainly doesn't have to be online. (I can understand you might not want to get into the intricacies of Wikipedia editing, so laying out the necessary sources and a suggested wording you might like to see changed in the article seems the best way forward for you. ut, as has just been said, both published documents appear to be primary sources, so straight reporting of the evidence, with no interpretation by you, seems the way forward:

Based upon an account in his own words, Major Hamilton has been credited with co-organising the escape from Libby Prison.(ref) An alternative source, written by Willaim Hartpence, and submitted to the Library of Congress in 1894, gives credit to a Colonel Streight as being the leader of the escape.(ref)

Keeping you wording as neutral as possible, and posting your suggestion and a verbatim quote from the references on the article talk page might be the way to let other editor here decide if, and how best, to edit the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

repinging L1ndaLibby as I initially replied to the wrong editor! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Need help

Hello, can anyone please tell me , is TOI (Times Of India) consider as WP:RS ??? Myslfsbhijit (talk) 18:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit:, as already mentioned here, the TOI sources in Simran Upadhyay are not sufficient for that article. That is not exactly the same as TOI never being a reliable source; the community decided a few months ago that TOI can sometimes be used as a source, but "additional considerations apply", in other words, each TOI reference has to be considered in terms of whether it actually offers relevant and reliable information. The four sources in Simran Upadhyay don't, just as the other editor in the AfD discussion pointed out. --bonadea contributions talk 19:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey bonadea, thanks for your reply. So what to do right now to save the article ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 19:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit: There unfortunately isn't enough sourcing to demonstrate notability. I also voted delete. We'll have to wait until she has more media coverage, and not just an annual Times of India post wishing her a happy birthday. Save the text for future use. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Myslfsbhijit. You might find it helpful to read WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. --ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable answer. It is really helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 22:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: I've run into ToI cites quite a bit on articles regarding India, so I'm kind of surprised that it may not be a great source some times. Can you comment on which news sources might be better for Indian topics, or where to start looking for useful discussion about it (there's a lot out there)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: WP:RSPS summarizes consensus thusly: The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: I wasn't questioning the stance on ToI, just which sources are better. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: blergh, I misread your question as, "what causes it to be unreliable?". FWIW, RSPS lists The Indian Express. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Yes, there was a recent RfC about The Indian Express which led to a "generally reliable" conclusion. (I do have a kind of negative knee-jerk reaction to newspapers with "Express" in the title, given the unreliability of The Daily Express and the Swedish Expressen, but that only makes it easier to remember that TIE is an exception!) WP:RSP is very useful for people like me who can't always keep track of sources in other countries, though of course even a "generally reliable" source can't automatically be used as a source for everything. When it comes to evaluating Indian news sources I tend to trust people like Fowler&fowler, Cyphoidbomb and Abcdare; I do a little bit of editing in articles about films, actors, and celebrities from India, and in those kinds of articles (such as the one Myslfsbhijit asks about), it can be very hard to find reliable sources but very easy to find a lot of short notices that are little more than clickbait. It doesn't help that there's a lot of paid promotional editing in the topic area of minor/wannabe celebrities (from any country, but obviously more from a populous country like India). Sorry, longer response than you asked for :-) --bonadea contributions talk 09:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey , expect TOI , The Indian Express , Ei Samay and ebela.in might be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 06:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Dear all, For any article, you read 4-5 newspapers, like The Statesman, The Telegraph, Deccan Herald, etc you may find that 2 or 3 or 4 or all (sometimes) are indebted to one source (Reuters or INA). So in such cases or otherwise also get the view from the tv news channel websites (ABP maybe) ... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 08:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Noting

Someone should help me on this article 2019–20 Ligue 1 (Ivory Coast).

I want to note both FC San Pédro at the infobox and at the league table without the notes appearing twice.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: I put the first note in the infobox. Is that what you wanted? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Yep. Thanks, much better.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Malfunctioning transclution

Hi guys,

When I attempted to transclude a section of my talk page, and when I did transclude it, nothing came up in the transcluded section. I am not sure why this is happening. Could someone please assist me in figuring this out!

Thanks,

PNSMurthy (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, PNSMurthy I am not sure what you were trying to do, or where. Could you please indicate on what page you tried to transclude a section of your talk page. Normally, one can only trasclude an entire page, not a section, except for any parts inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags. Nor is it usually useful to transclude a talk page. Could you please give more details on exactly what you wanted to do, and what you did, and on what page? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @PNSMurthy: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again too!

Never mind anymore. I worked the section out. It may not have been a malfunction. It is not needed, but I would just like to know if there is any template fro this transclusion, so in the future, I may avoid this malfunction - if it is one. Also - may I know if there is any template for deletion, because the article in question (a guide to deletion) merely explained the use of deletion.

Thanks!

PNSMurthy (talk) 03:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: It is still entirely unclear what you were trying to do. Please give more details as DESiegel said. You can for example save your attempt and post a diff to it so we can see what you did wrong. There are many templates for deletion. Please be specific about what you want. If there is a page you want deleted then link the page and say why. There are also many guides to deletion so we don't know which page you saw. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:You see... I was trying to learn how to transclude, so I just used an already transcluded section as an example. This example had some already placed templates, which mucked my own version of 'copied' transclusion up. I have fixed that now, not to worry!PNSMurthy (talk) 10:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC) As for deletion ... learned how to do that. I just wanted to clean up an incredibly messy user space.PNSMurthy (talk) 10:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a new Football Player profile

I would like to add a new Football Player to have a Wikipedia Profile and do not know how to do that. Kimcephas (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kimcephas and welcome to the Teahouse.

Creating new articles from a blank start is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, perhaps the hardest an inexperienced user is likely to face. I urge you to use the Article Wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. There, an experienced editor will review your draft once you think it is ready. Only when a reviewer approves will the draft be moved to the main article space. This avoids the situation where a deletion is requested soon after the initial version of an article is posted.

Also, please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article, if you have not already done so. The advice there can be very helpful, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What follows are some steps that often lead to success in creating Wikipedia articles:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people, and our guideline on the notability of sports topics. Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note, Kimcephas, that what you will be creating is not a profile as that is usually understood: the footballer in question will not own it, and will not have control over its contents, and it should be based not on what they say or want to say about themselves, but on what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Kimcephas: if you have any problems with creating the page feel free to ask me about it and I will try to lend a hand. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Kattayil Rajinish Menon

Article declined

Why Kattayil Rajinish Menon been removed? I've followed all the guidleine here. Information given are from public domain such as newspaper, industry videos, organization websites? As per the feedback, I have tweaked the article. Please help me in getting this article approved. Wahengba (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Here's how that starts: "Kattayil Rajinish Menon is the co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of Sukino Healthcare Solutions Pvt. Ltd. He held leadership roles at Microsoft Corporation, Deutche Bank, Reliance Energy Limited. During his stint at Microsoft, he played instrumental role in setting up startup partner accelerator hubs." This comes with what looks like a reference. I click on the reference, and find that it doesn't mention Menon. So it isn't a reference. Just what is a leadership role? What's the difference between an instrumental role and a non-instrumental role? Instrumental or otherwise, what was his role? What's a startup partner accelerator hub? As Sukino Healthcare Solutions doesn't have an article, is its co-founder and CEO of encyclopedic concern? -- Hoary (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Kattayil Rajinish Menon. Declined. Resubmitted. Wahengba not shown as trying to improve the draft after the Declined, but could have been editing not signed in, as 106.206.32.36. Please remember to sign in, so that all your edits are from one User account. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing a template message

I added citations and links to a document but I can't remove the template. How do I do it? Fiona Njaggi (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

None of your edits have included citations, so they were reverted at the time as unsourced. I notice also that you marked all your edits as minor, but they didn't meet the criteria at Help:Minor edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There are no more citations to provide on this page. How do I remove the template? Also, I marked an edit as a minor edit, could that be the cause? Fiona Njaggi (talk) 12:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Jim Chu (entrepreneur), were your edits without signing in, so that they show as edits by an IP address? Also, what you did was add hyperlinks to the text of the article (The Nest, Untapped). These do not count as citations, and the hyperlinks should be removed. David notMD (talk) 14:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

personal attacks

hallo, there is a user who keeps pushing and pushing me in the discussions in AFD making personal statements about me. I asked him to stop more than once and to talk only about the subject to be deleted but he keeps doing it. he is definitely trying on my nerves to make me react so he can have me blocked. what can I do? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey Don't react, then nothing will happen to you. If necessary, take a break from participating in that discussion. If the issue is intractable and unable to be resolved through regular discussion, you may make a report at WP:ANI. Be advised that the totality of the circumstances(including your actions) will be examined as well, should you choose to pursue such a discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot I genuinely believe I never did anything wrong to him. I offered my help to this person different times and I also asked for his help once, before he started stalking me. should I keep asking him to keep the debate focus on the subject or should I don't even answer to him?. I know it will not stop so I will wait it to be obvious before to report at WP:ANI.--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I honestly don't see the other user as following you around in particular. Many users focus on certain areas of the project, that does not mean they are targeting you personally. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot do we want to count how many times I was accused of things by him?. first rule of the stalker game, people will not believe you when you tell them you are being stalked. Great, I will wait for the situation to grow, hopping that my nerve will not bust first and make me suspend. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey If that's your fear, I would suggest disengaging from the discussion for a time. You have said that your English is not that good, have you considered that might be causing you to misinterpret things? That a user focused on AFD does not mean that they are targeting you or trying to get you blocked. If you do nothing wrong, you won't be blocked. Only you can control what you do. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot my english is not that good, that is true, but i can still understand one sentence where i get accused of something. so, this is the solution, if I am constantly personally attacked by one person I should quit the conversations and let him have it on his own way (contrary to the guidelines) this is the perfect metaphor of when a woman is stalked and people tells her to not wear short skirts. great, i will just shut my mouth and let it be. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I am sorry you feel another editor is in some way checking up on you, or is making unreasonable or provocative criticisms. That's never nice. You haven't given us any DIFFs to understand the problem (nor is this the right venue to investigate specifics) though I did see on the only AFD that I did check that another editor was getting quite frustrated with you for not doing WP:BEFORE prior to nominating a number of notable topics for deletion. I can't comment on whether they are right or wrong, though your AFD stats do suggest you have currently nominated quite a few. Should there be a feeling by those who work at AFD that you're going about it the wrong way, then they will certainly look at your work and tell you to take more care, and you should listen to that. You are not going to get blocked for bad AFD judgements, though theoretically any editor can be restricted from contributing there if the community feels they are doing more harm than good. But there's no excuse for one or more editors acting unreasonably towards anyone, and neither have I looked for that. If any editor has genuine concerns about another's actions they could choose to address things directly on the other editor's talk page and spelling out their concerns, or they could go to WP:ANI, ensuring they cite a range of diffs to demonstrate their accusations. Neither course is an easy one, so what I would do is collate diffs of edits which concern me, and copy them to an off-wiki wordprocessed document until such time as I felt I could assess if I were being reasonable in my conclusions over harassment or not. (I would never store them on-wiki as I could then be accused of targetting another editor) Those could then be used if going forward to make a complaint. It is true that being told to 'take a break' is often very good advice here, but it in other circumstances it is extremely patronising and not something anyone with genuine concerns ever wants to hear. I cannot comment on the rights or wrongs of what you have said here, but we are not tolerant of bad editors, even when acting in 'good faith', nor are we tolerant of one editor harassing another. Let me know if you need any further advice. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)  

@Nick Moyes: porn actor biographies are a mess. most of them have been created and kept under now deprecated guidelines. this is why i have so much to nominate and believe me i am only nominating that most obvious ones. from https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=AlejandroLeloirRey&max=&startdate=&altname= your AFD stats you can see that most of my nominations where reasonable. plus, some of the articles i nominated have been kept on the basis of multiple vote to keep like "more sources might be found" and this is very frustrating for a person like me. AFD should not a vote but a discussion and seeing articles with no sources like the one of Zak Spears being kept basing on the fact that we can not exclude the existence of more sources upsets me. please, also note that when i was convinced by new sources that my nomination was wrong i withdraw it, and that happen a few times. question, do you have a link where I can learn to store on off-wiki ? thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I'm afraid I don't have any experience of biographies of porn actors (apart, that is, from my favourite story of once being invited to participate as one when I was a young, fresh-looking student at Uni...but thankfully I declined!). The requirement for reliable sources should still be the same, I'd have said, though I would hope you weren't rushing to get articles deleted without doing due diligence, as I mentioned. Otherwise it would not be surprising if other editors were coming down on your head like a ten-pound hammer. If you are having to withdraw nominations frequently, then perhaps some extra work is still required on your part when you initially doubt their notability? Personally, whether porn star, rock star or rock formation, I prefer to err on the side of not deleting content whenever there is any doubt. Regarding your question: there is really nothing to learn. Read WP:DIFF on how to create one via the View History tab (like this last edit of yours. Copy the url, open a Word processor document on your own computer, and paste it in along with an annotation of what concerned you about it. You'll eventually either build up a pattern of edits which show unreasonable behaviour of flawed attitudes on someone's part, or you'll come to appreciate that you were simply being addressed firmly but fairly, because of the things you were doing. Standing back to look at your own motives and actions as well as those of others always seems a sensible thing to do here. Feelings or meanings often get lost in translation when simply typing emotionless text. I'm neither defending, attacking nor trying to brush anything away here - just spelling out what I would do, as going back in time to look at a pattern of behaviour is neither easy nor pleasant. I like to think of myself as a model of politeness here, but it would be quite easy to cherry pick a few examples of where I've had to be firm and totally blunt - even downright rude - with troublesome editors, yet if they tried to throw those selected moments back against I doubt it would get them very far. But if I showed a pattern of poor behaviour towards others, I would deserve what I get. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)  

@Nick Moyes:my first experience with porn bios was writing one and that was very hard. having it accepted was so stressful as in that moment I didn't understand well what a good source is and why some of my sources where being criticized (most of the time in an irresponsabile way) but I have learned a lot about how a good source should be. I must say that probably 75% of porn bios wouldn't be published today if they were judged by the standard used on the bio I wrote. I do not want to go that far but definitely if we want wikipedia to be considered a reliable enciclopedia we need to get rid of the garbage. I didn't withdraw my nomination often it happened about 3 times and those now count as keep on my AFD resume. I believe on being fair and if I am shown to be wrong I can take a step backward and admit my mistake. wikipedia encourage us to be bold and if we can not make a few mistake how can we be bold. once again the majority of my nominations have than been deleted. before nominating an article usually I post at least one week before on the talk page of the article a post where I explain I want to delete the article and why. I check every single source present on the article. I look for more sources and I publish on AlejandroLeloirRey the list of the pages I have nominated or that i want to nominate. often I also use templates like "more article needed" or similar. now, I think that is enough. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

is the AFD process good enough?

I have been nominating a lot lately and I am becoming more and more aware of the process of the elimination. I can tell that it relies a lot of the personal believing of the contributors... too much. I have seen article being kept because of major "keep" vote with comments like: "He seems notable in his field." with no further explanations, "likely interviews and articles exist but many publications of his time would be off-line." and similar. this one specific article is the bio of Zak Spears where the sources are: an interview (primary source), one 5 line long bio and IMDb and AFDb both considered unreliable here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pornography#Industry/trade_sources.

I don't care about that specific article but the fact that it has resulted into a keep it makes me understand that first actually AFD is a vote process even though after the guidelines it shouldn't be and second that the process relies too much on what is are personal perception of the people involved into the discussion. I think we should make it more clear, especially for the bio, that no article can be kept if they are not properly sourced and if the sources do not prove notability. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggest you read Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@NotMD:cool, thank you :-) --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

What can be done to improve Draft:Horace_Edward_Dobbs ?

This article Draft:Horace Edward Dobbs was rejected on notability grounds. I am convinced that the subject is notable, but probably omitted something vital while drafting it. Please I would welcome suggestions that would help in its improvement. There are 40 resources cited in the article, apart from the notes, and some of them are from the BBC (7), New York Times, The Independent, NASA, and other reliable sources. So, definitely, there must be something that I missed, which resulted in it being declined on notability grounds.

For taking out the time to read and respond to this blab from this insignificant earthling, I say thank you, and may it be well with all that domicile in this revolving empyrean orb. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 01:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:EmpyreanOrb! It looks like a lot of the references are to articles written by or on behalf of the subject. I suggest you look at the link the reviewer left you. Ghinga7 (talk) 01:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, Ghinga7. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 02:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The thing to remember, Ghinga7, is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article has said, published, or done: it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject. Of course, those writings will generally include accounts of what the subject has said and done; but it is with the independent accounts that we are concerned, not with the primary sources --ColinFine (talk) 07:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean to ping me or the OP, @User:ColinFine? Ghinga7 (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I meant to ping EmpyreanOrb. My apologies. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot ColinFine, your suggestion and that of Ghinga7 are quite helpful. I'll rewrite the article using your advice. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Article turned down through lack of “published, reliable, secondary sources .."

Hi My Draft:Frogmorton_(folk_group) article has been turned down through lack of “published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject”. The article in question is about an important British folk rock band in the 70s.

I have included five printed reference-sources: the first, “The Great Folk Discography. Volume 1. Pioneers and Early Legends by Martin C Strong” contains a comparatively substantial entry referring to the band. However the book is in hardback only & doesn’t exist in its entirety on the web. The great folk Discography volume 1 'Pioneers and Early legends.'

The other sources are front-page Melody Maker articles in the Folk section of the newspaper between 1972 & 1976. Having contacted the ex-editor I have been informed these were never digitised and old issues remain still bound-in-string in the basement of their offices! However, I have scanned copies of those articles which could be put on line. Melody Maker

What can I do about having these important & reliable references in a clickable format to allow the article to be accepted by Wikipedia? Many thanks Flatback (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Flatback: I can help you format these references in a way that makes their significance more clear. Is the "The Great Folk Discography" source an encyclopedia, and if so, is the entry you're referring to titled Frogmorton? Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

I was caled out by user mattythewhite for disruptive editing when I was clearly just changing some grammar and linking it to other Wikipedia pages. Could this problem be solved? Ananimo0o0o0oo0s2 (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Mattythewhite, care to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I will poach: Anan- All of your edits to date have been the addition of factual statements to articles without providing references to verify what you have added. Rightfully so, you have been warned. Please learn how to reference. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

My reverts were in response to the addition of unsourced content. Here the edits I undid for each warning: 1, 2, 3. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Initialisms/acronyms as part of hyperlinks?

I'm confused about whether links should include initialisms/acronyms or not. E.g., should I write obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) or obstructive sleep apnea (OSA)?

Thanks. Pulmtom (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pulmtom: I think the first one looks better. Interstellarity (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pulmtom:Go for first as I too agree with Interstellarity ~ Amkgp 💬 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes you need to thank God

 Vic Agbiti pup (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC) sorry but God is more than anything so the only reason your living is because of God so maybe you can kick me out okay thanks

Vic Agbiti pup, It unclear what is you query. Please note Teahouse is a platform where you can ask questions and get help related to using and editing Wikipedia ~ Amkgp 💬 17:42, 3 July 2 020(UTC)

This is merely a trolling sock. I've blocked it. Bishonen | tålk 18:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

Help creating a page for a book series

Hello, we have a book series that is winning awards, distributed worldwide, and has already achieved top 1% of book industry sales. We would appreciate a volunteer who could create the Wikipedia page for this book series. 2600:1700:C850:4760:EB:702F:296D:10DA (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, unregistered editor. Sales are nice, but before there can be a Wikipedia article (not a page) about a topic, that topic must be notable a term used in a special sense here. See our guideline on the notability of books. The most common way to establish notability for a book is to be able to cite multiple independent professionally published reliable sources that are reviews of or comments on the books, each of which provides significant coverage of the book (or series). This means no fan reviews, no amazon reviews, no blog posts, no press releases, no one-line mentions, and nothing from the publisher or anyone trying to sell or promote the book.

Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are for individual people only, no groups or companies. If you are working for the publisher or author, whether as an employee, intern, or contractor, or in any other way expect to receive compensation for editing, you must comply with WP:PAID before; doing any further editing on the topic. So would anyone you mi8ght hire. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

And please be aware that if at some point Wikipedia has an article about your book series it will not belong to you: you will have no control over the contents of the article, and it may say things that you would not want there, as long as independent commentators had published such things elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, First of all, I am not an editor. Second, what do sales have to do with this conversation? Third, yes the books are notable. Following your link, the books are both #1 published in numerous non-trivial independent sources, and #2 has won a major literary awards. Fourth, this inquiry was to find someone who can create the article. Would you please provide a couple of names? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:C850:4760:B48F:C4C0:1644:8CCB (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

You can make a request at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe to the point of uselessness. As this is a volunteer project, there are not editors standing by to create articles. You can attempt to do so yourself if you heed the comments above and comply with the required policies, using Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Referring a book's position on a best seller list

Hi. I added a link to the New York Times Best sellers list as evidence of an edit I made to an article to show that a book had reached no. 5 on the list. However I realise that this page is updated each week and so the link will not provide evidence once that book changes its position on the list. Is there a way of making a link go to the best sellers page of a fixed date? Alison hunter (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Alison Hunter: The NYT does seem to keep an online archive of previous best seller lists: for instance [8] gives the mid-June week. In my desktop view those pages can be reached by the arrows next to the date, top-right of the page.

A more general solution for websites subject to change or disappearance is given at Help:Archiving a source. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 20:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Becoming a translator

Hi all! I was wondering how to become an 'experienced user' so I can publish translations. I recently graduated with a Spanish Major and am currently studying for the DELE C1 exam.

I have published Draft:La Concha Bay as an example of my work. It's by no means perfect but I really want to contribute to this community.

Any advice is welcome! Seangtkelley (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Seangtkelley Welcome to Wikipedia . Please go through Your first article to get accustomed with Wikipedia editing and article creations. Also, you can help us to translate from Spanish to English if there is a request at Pages needing translation into English and Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 17:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Seangtkelley: Regarding Draft:La Concha Bay, only references are missing. Please go through reliable sources that are accepted as references and are added as per citing norms. ~ Amkgp 💬 17:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Which points up the unexpected challenges of translating Wikipedia articles, Seangtkelley: Translating the text may be only a small part of the job. Each Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules; and even within en-wiki, there are thousands and thousands of articles which are sub-standard, and would not be accepted in their present form if somebody tried to add them today. This means that an article you find in es-wiki 1) may not meet en-wiki's criteria for WP:notability, in which case translating it would be a waste of your time; or 2) may meet those criteria, but may not have the requisite references, in which case you would need to find the reliable independent sources, and cut everything out of your translation which you could not find in a reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine's advice about notability is true, but in the particular case of Draft:La Concha Bay, officially-designated geographical areas and feature are presumed notable, so the San Sebastian external link is actually sufficient. It should survive if brought to mainspace (but do not let that keep you from improving it with references!). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 21:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Trouble with another editor

Hello

I was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with another editor. I've been trying to edit an article on books but everything I do gets reverted and though I try to raise issues on the talkpage this editor doesn't feel I'm academic enough and accuses me of acting in bad faith.

What should I do?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

JD 92.0.34.161 (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• I see there is some slow-motion edit war going on at List of best-selling books. Both of you and Starasta1 seem to have kept relatively cool heads, except for occasional accusation of bad faith such as this or that edit summary (please see WP:AGF), or that post on the talk page.

As it seems it is only two of you fighting and the discussion is not too heated (yet), I would advise looking for a third opinion, or failing that make a request for comment to attract a wider audience. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 20:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• It is not essential, but it might be useful to register for an account. I have known before that some editors have less inherent respect for an IP editor. The daft thing is that we can be as anonymous as we wish when creating accounts, or as open. It should make no difference Fiddle Faddle 20:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.34.161 (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a Conflict of Interest when editing a page. Is it best to leave it and set up a talk?

Hi again. Sorry, I seem to be here a lot. I was going through some Irish television pages (RTÈ One and Virgin Media One) and I noticed the shares were out of date. I can update these using the TAM Nielsen data for 2019 ( I can also do this for other Irish channels) but I do have a Conflict of Interest. Is it best to amend them and add a note in the summary or just request someone else to amend them? Thanks. DarkerDai (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, DarkerDai. It's best to raise an edit request on the article's talk page. If you look at that link, you'll see that it tells you the template to add to make sure your request gets added to the list of requested edits waiting, even if nobody is regularly watching that talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for that @ColinFine:. I've raised one now. Do you think it's necessary to do an edit request on all pages I want to amend or just one?DarkerDai (talk) 23:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@DarkerDai: If you are employed by a particular company/organization/person and are editing/requesting edits to articles related to them, you should disclose your employment per Wikipedia's paid editing disclosure policy. It's a higher standard of disclosure than regular conflict of interest. And if your articles of interest relate to your employer, then yes, edit requests are the way to go for all of them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 00:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Drm310: Ah ok. I am employed by one of the companies but I am not being paid to make the changes. The figures used were out of date and I just wanted to update with the latest. I will raise an edit Request on all the channels, including the ones I don't work for as there is a conflict of interest. I've also raised one in Wikiprojest Television as I feel I'll get a better consensus there as the Irish channels are a lot quieter. Thank you all for the advice. DarkerDai (talk) 00:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

 Fisnikzekaj (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Please note, DarkerDai, that if editing Wikipedia articles, or more generally publicizing the company, is any part of your job responsibility, or will be reflected in your evaluations or noted by your supervisor, even if you are not specifically or separately paid for editing, you are still considered a paid editor. If not, WP:COI applies but not WP:PAID.

Applying for admin

 Destroyz (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Destroyz: Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Destroyz. If your post is regarding the way editors become administrators, then please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship for some general information. There is a formal process that an editor needs to go through and they are only granted adminship if they are able to obtained a certain level of support from the Wikipedia community. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Destroyz: Out of about 1100 admins, only 25 joined Wikipedia in 2013 or later. The newest of those joined 19 months ago. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 Where did you get that idea? Actually 156 new admins have joined since 2013. The newest admin, User:Creffett (now User:GeneralNotability), joined Wikipedia on 17 May 2020. See Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship. Bishonen | tålk 00:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC).

Bishonen, that date for Ceffett/GeneralNotability can't possibly be right. Logs say that they joined in 2018. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:54, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Joined Wikipedia as an admin on 17 May 2020, I was trying to say, Rosguill, not joined Wikipedia as a newbie. I got the date from Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship. Perhaps AlanM1 was talking about when the new admins joined the project as newbies, as a way of implying to Destroyz that new users have to wait and put in the elbow grease before trying for adminship? I think I misunderstood you, AlanM1, sorry. Bishonen | tålk 01:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC).

And, Destroyz, people are only elected admins if they show that they are doing some work that needs the tools that admins have access to. I have been an editor since 2005, and made over 17 thousand edits, but I have never considered applying for adminship, because I can do all the things I want to do without it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bishonen: Yes, that's what I meant. No worries. Probably would have helped if I had cited the source, as I intended to do. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Unseen political drivers of public school systems of education in the United States of America since 1960

Hello, I spent some hours tonight reading your sections on public schools in the United States with specific attention to literacy within the adult population, followed by a focus upon political dimensions arising from federal government mandates to admit African American students to all white public schools in the 1960's. It seems to me that a correlation analysis between the temporal advancement of changes both political and educational has promise pertaining to advancing our understanding of how Libertarian political agendas were won. I likely could actually do the correlation analysis but mathematics is not one of my strong suits. Someone else would do it far better than I. I am mightily impressed by the coverage of both of these areas in Wikipedia, indeed, I find the work done in parts brilliant. I would be honored to attempt to contribute something else. That is, my own area of expertise is logic and attachment. So I am willing to attempt to write something about both logic and attachment that brings them together in a novel manner, and leave it up to you to decide to use or not. I propose to examine your coverage of the theorem of undecidability, published in 1930 by Kurt Godel. I doubt it is up to speed since the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy gets it wrong. They call it the incompleteness theorem. Folks, the natural numbers are incomplete. This is hardly an important contribution. However, the contribution Godel made was a proof that any system rich enough to generate an arithmetic is undecidable. That is a contribution of such magnitude that logicians today are in denial of it . Once the theorem is closely examined, then we have a hornets nest of stinging problems to address. There are propositions we readily formulate that cannot be determined to be true and that cannot be determined to be false WITHIN THE SYSTEM that constructs the propositions, or call them 'sentences', as English is one of countless examples of logical systems we tend to think of as too loose to be logics; but that is not the case at all. So, how is it that we, human beings, can construct meaning that is sufficiently reliable to conduct the basic business of daily life? The answer to this question is: attachment , a psychological construct formulated during WWII. My doctoral dissertation was on attachment in relation to treatment outcomes in my field of psychotherapy. The integration of logic and attachment is my life mission. I was utterly shocked upon learning no one had done it as yet. But along the way it made more sense to me. Nonetheless,this very basic and important feature of living creatures with brains of a certain minimal level of development unavoidably do integrate logic and attachment. The integration gives rise to the mind (I tend to use the term 'the human mind' because people have this tendency to think other sentient creatures are beneath human beings. A very sad state of affairs.) This work I do may certainly by applied helpfully to both attachment and logic sections of Wikipedia. In addition, doing this may well facilitate my formulation of the conceptual structures underpinning our knowledge of both logic and attachment for the work I am doing. So I am asking a question and willing to offer some editorial comments in exchanges for an answer. I hope this may seem appealing to some of you. Best Wishes, Linda Linda May Tomayhem (talk) 06:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tomayhem and welcome to the Teahouse. If you would like to edit an article related to the above ideas, feel free to do so. If you do so, please bear in mind that Wikipedia does not publish any original research. Content on Wikipedia is summarized from previously published reliable sources on a subject, so anything you write in an article needs to be based on some published source. Please also note that while editors are allowed to cite their own published material in articles, as this is sometimes seen as self-promotion and can skew the neutrality of the encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:SELFCITE. If you aren't sure if your additional would be helpful then you can always ask at the article's talk page. Happy editing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I am new

I am new to the Wikipedia TEAHOUSE. What can I do here, how can I get help? Daniton9999 (talk) 10:56, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Daniton9999 Hello and welcome. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Is there something in particular you have a question about? 331dot (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot If you ask like this, yes. I created an App, and noone knows about it, and I don't know where to share it. But that is nothing for Wikipedia I think --Daniton9999 (talk) 11:20, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Daniton9999 and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a help forum where we assist anyone who encounters difficulty editing or contributing to this encyclopaedia of notable things. So, in a way, it's us older hands who are here to help you. I've left you a welcome message on your talk page with a few useful links. You might like to try The Wikipedia Adventure or read Help:Getting Started. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much --Daniton9999 (talk) 11:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Daniton9999 That's correct. Wikipedia is not a place to share information about something that you created, nor is it for spreading the word about something. If independent reliable sources like the news or magazine articles give your app significant coverage, it might merit an article if the app meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability- but if that were to happen, you shouldn't be the one to write about it due to a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 11:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot, thank you, that was well explained, thank you. Do you maybe want to see the App yourself? (Just if you want to) --Daniton9999 (talk) 11:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Daniton9999 Thanks, but I have no interest in that. 331dot (talk) 11:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot That's off course ok. --Daniton9999 (talk) 11:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Amit Bagaria

I want to know why my page (Amit Bagaria) was deleted. I am a public figure with more than 250 media articles published about me. AmitBagaria65 (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Amit_Bagaria.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The page to which ThatMontrealIP points you gives you the reasons. Incidentally, much of the content of the deleted article was supplied by you. -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

What you may be unaware of, AmitBagaria65, is that Wikipeida is basically not interested in what anybody says, or wants to say, about themselves. As I'm not an admin, I can't see the deleted article, but it sounds as if a lot of the sources were not independent of you. --ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Bare urls corrected? xx

Hello again! I've just made a book page and it said 'bare urls' needed correcting...I've done that now very carefully on every url, but the message still shows? Any advice would be amazing, still getting my head around wikipedia!x MadelaineHS (talk) 11:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

No, some human (I didn't bother to find which) affixed a template saying this. You have indeed, uh ... clothed each URL (thank you!), but nobody noticed this and removed the template (till I did, just now). ¶ I haven't read either book, but the description makes it sound as if it has common ground with The Spirit Level; if I'm right, then perhaps each article could beneficially have a "See also:" pointing to the other. -- Hoary (talk) 12:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Just as an aside, MadelaineHS, please would you include a link to any page you're asking us to look at? It all takes time to determine - or guess - what you're talking about, and none of us here have yet completed the Wikipedia mind-reading course they keep telling us about. Please make our lives that little bit easier with a simple link. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, yes of course, I'm so sorry I didn't realise xx Looks all solved now but thank you x — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadelaineHS (talk • contribs) 12:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

'this article is an orphan' when it is linked?

Hi there, I made a page for a book, and it says 'this article is an orphan' despite being linked on both the wiki pages of the author? Am I doing something wrong?x MadelaineHS (talk) 10:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello MadelaineHS. Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is now redundant as Balance (2013 book) is no longer an ORPHAN in that it now contains wikilinks out from it to it from other articles. It didn't when you first created it. Does that make sense? It would be nice if you now could resolve the way the references are displaying. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, Did you get that the wrong way round? Orpan = "an article with no links from other pages in the main article namespace". But it's solved anyway:[9]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Yes I did, for some reason I wrote that completely the wrong way round. I've struck my words. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

How can I add the following, to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion?

Nyboda depot

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• How to contribute
• Introduction to deletion process
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• Help, my article got nominated for deletion!

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Article on a Swedish garage/depot for subway trains and buses, there are no citations, the references are in Swedish. Devokewater (talk) 09:49, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Note that per WP:NOENG the langauge is not a problem, but they are not cite-ish and they are blogs. Hopefully someone here who is used to making Afd:s can fix it for you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The 3 steps for listing an AFD are given in the box at the top of the article, and also in more detail at Template:Afd footer. The easiest way of doing it is with Twinkle. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David Biddulph + Gråbergs Gråa Sång I have tried following these steps, but. Hence this request. Devokewater (talk) 10:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

What went wrong when you tried the subsequent steps? You've done step I at Template:Afd footer (step 1 in the box at the top of the article), so you now need to move on to the subsequent steps. The "preloaded debate" link for step 2 does most of that step for you and gives you instructions what to change. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David Biddulph, I appear to have successfully completed these steps, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 July 4. Devokewater (talk) 10:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I see that you've done those steps, but you may wish to reconsider the category. You set the category to B (Biographical), which doesn't seem appropriate. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David Biddulph, just tried to change the category, however no success, how do I do it? Regards Devokewater (talk) 10:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Again you didn't tell us what went wrong when you tried to change the category. I've done it for you, changed it from B (Biographical) to P (Places and transportation) in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding images to Ruth Clayton

Hello Teahouse, I am very pleased with accepted article on Ruth Clayton, but I wish to improve it by adding relevant images that I have now obtained. I have read the appropriate Wikipedia pages, determined that they are non-free images and will need to be be uploaded to English Wikipedia by fulfilling criteria for fair use rather, than using the Wiki Commons route. I have the relevant information to make the case for fair use. However when I launch the File Upload Wizard I am told that I am not able to do so because I am not autoconfirmed. Is it true that I can successfully submit a new entry to Wikipedia but not improve it by adding relevant images? Or am I missing something. I would be very grateful for help and advice. I am a novice! Ulrich131 (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

This was also asked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#14:09:08, 4 July 2020 review of submission by Ulrich131, and now an answer has been given there. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Logos on draft articles

As a business's logo is non-free, I understand that I have to upload it locally on the Wikipedia project, and not Wikimedia Commons. The issue is that I cannot put the logo on a draft before submitting it for review, because I can only put it in the main article mainspace. Can I only put the logo on after the article has been approved, or am I missing something? The draft I've submitted is Draft:Consumer Union for Ethical Banking Wurbl (User talk:Wurbl) 11:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

You're not missing anything. Adding a logo won't help your draft get accepted by a reviewer. If/when it is accepted, you can then add the logo. Maproom (talk) 11:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you--Wurbl (User talk:Wurbl) 15:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Who can close a Split discussion?

I posted this question:

• Wikipedia_talk:Splitting#Closing_a_split_discussion

--David Tornheim (talk) 09:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC) --David Tornheim (talk) 09:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Responded at the appropriate venue. ~ Amkgp 💬 15:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Is there a WikiProject with illustrators willing to make sketches for articles?

I'm not new to Wikipedia so I dunno if I belong here, but I couldn't think of a better place to ask.

I'm writing a new article on Song of Dorang-seonbi and Cheongjeong-gaksi (a Korean shamanic narrative) on this sandbox, and it should be done by the day after tomorrow. Unfortunately there are no illustrations whatsoever of this very understudied myth, either historical or modern, despite it being the sort of story where illustrations would be quite helpful for a reader.

Is there a WikiProject or something with illustrators willing to make sketches or digital art for articles?

Thanks in advance.

Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 15:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Karaeng Matoaya, Welcome to Teahouse. Illustrations for an article are optional. There are lot of articles in Wikipedia that does not have a single image. Contributions to Wikipedia is generally voluntary in nature. You may ask for help at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab or Commons:Graphic Lab. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 15:53, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hello People Im Stefan, and i want to know what is this here? Is this a talk forum or something else or simple to contribute to Wikipedia articles. StefanR10 (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

StefanR10 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new or inexperienced users to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia. If you have any questions, you may pose them here. You may be interested in using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Im just here to improve articles when i can most when i read something on wikipedia and i see one error i correct them. StefanR10 (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Looks like you've been in extended suspended animation - one day of edits in 2013, and now reappearing on July 4, 2020. As noted, Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing English Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Hi dear,please tell me why my published would be deleted.also tell me how i solve speedy deletion . Writer alamin 321 (talk) 17:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Writer alamin 321, what is it that might be speedy deleted? Your only contributions to Wikipedia, apart from asking this question, have been to the Wikipedia Sandbox in mid-May, and those have long since vanished. Maproom (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Maproom They're probably asking about Tantra Teacher Training, which they created. Praxidicae (talk) 18:01, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Writer alamin 321, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Tantra Teacher Training was deleted under G11 as excessively promotional. Such phrases as The practice of Tantra thus shows the path of freedom and enlightenment. and The teacher training program offers comprehensive Tantric training to both beginners and professional practitioners. The professional training courses offer both exceptional Tantra practices and techniques as well as workshops to become a successful certified trainer. are clearly unacceptable on Wikipedia, they read like an advertising flyer for this training. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

(Maproom remember to check deleted contribs or speedy notices on the user talk page in such cases. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC))

Matters Education

How can i access articles on education, particularly the use of instructional media? Mkigaro (talk) 18:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Mkigaro, I'm not quite sure your question? If you're looking for articles to read, you can simply use the search bar in the top right of the screen. See also the readers FAQ and Help:Searching. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox in wrong place

Dear fellow Wikipedians, I have created Sandbox AA under user talk : Anupamdutta73/sandbox.... Now I cannot move it to user: Anupamdutta73/.... Also I had created commo.js.... How to delete it ? Cheers....  Anupam Dutta (talk) 04:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

The reason, or anyway one reason, why you can't move User talk:Anupamdutta73/sandbox to User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox is that the latter already exists. I can delete the latter and replace it with the former, if you like. -- Hoary (talk) 04:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have deleted your creation "Category:Sandbox AA". Please do not experiment with categories (just use them as they were intended), and anyway do not experiment outside User (talk):Anupamdutta73. Indeed, it might be a good idea if you concentrated on adding reliably sourced material to existing articles, rather than experimenting and asking about experimenting. -- Hoary (talk) 05:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Hoary, What I am trying to do is open another sandbox that accessible along with the existing one... There I shall be putting texts I wish to translate... I think I am focused on adding materials to to Wikipedia.... Thanks for your existing and future supports. Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: How about User:Anupamdutta73/To be translated? Just click on that link. For future reference, you can occasionally request deletion of a page in your own userspace (i.e., pages under User:Anupamdutta73) by editing the page and adding {{db-u1}} to it. Use it sparingly, though, since it requires an admin's time to do so. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I guess "commo.js" means User:Anupamdutta73/common.js. Please link pages you refer to. It can only be deleted by interface administrators. I suggest you just blank it instead if you don't currently want any code in it. If you really want it deleted then you can use this link to post a request to delete both the page and the talk page you will be creating with the request. It's also unclear what you mean by "move it to user: Anupamdutta73/..." Do you want to overwrite the existing page at User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox, or create the page literally called User:Anupamdutta73/..., or get a new sandbox name like User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox2, or something else? You can create the pages at the red links by just saving something in them. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Some thoughts: If you use the Preview and review the rendered results before hitting Publish, you can catch some of the typos and other little issues that can confuse others. If (as PH said) you wikilink things in your post, and you then use Preview and the link appears in red, it's literally a red flag that you've made a typo (unless, of course, you intended to link to a non-existent page, as I did above). Thanks again to PH, it occurs to me that, like most serious editors around here, you will ultimately want/need to have a User:Anupamdutta73/common.js, so blanking it instead of deleting it makes a lot of sense. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear all, with passing time, I am wiser and understood the very basic Accounting principle that Anupamdutta73 and User : Anupamdutta73 are two different entitities apply here.. So at least I shall not be repeating the basic mistake.... Cheers.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

How do people repeal edits so fast?

I edited the article on Stellated octahedrons to add a joke in the "construction" section which detailed very complicated ways to make a stellated octahedron. I thought it'd be funny if instead of one of those convoluted methods, I wrote "Just put two pyramids together smh." But after about 5 seconds, it got undone. I don't have any problems with this edit being repealed because admittedly, I was vandalizing the page, but it does make me wonder; why was someone browsing the article on stellated octahedrons at the exact moment I made that edit, and how did they undo it so fast? Was it just coincidence, or is it some sort of bot made to detect weird edits? 166.181.253.26 (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse. The reason it was reverted is the same reason I saw your Teahouse question from here in Montreal: watchlists. When editors edit a page, they usually opt to be notified when that pages changes. That notification comes via the watchlist. If you get an account, you can have a watchlist too. Other methods for detecting vandlaism are in place, but seeing as you have admitted to being a vandal, I won't go into those. PS: Please restrain yourself from adding jokes to Wikipedia articles. It was not that funny. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 08:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how funny it was. It could be the most brilliant piece of humor ever written. It doesn't belong here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Defunct WikiProject template

While editing some flight simulation articles I noticed that the defunct WikiProject Flight Simulation still has banners on some pages. I've added a speedy deletion to the template, is this the right way to go? GameIsWikipedian (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

That's an interesting question, GameIsWikipedian. Whilst it would at first seem the right way to go, there is the issue of all the existing Talk pages which are still using it Template:WikiProject Flight Simulation. It would make sense for you to display the What links here list first, and work through to delete them from each of the talk pages listed there, replacing them with an appropriate alternative where there is currently no other project listed, such as the template for WP:WikiProject Video games which is definitely needed at Talk:RealFlight.  Because I couldn't get my head around what would happen to 'what links here' if the template has already been deleted, I've temporarily removed your CSD notice to give you some time. I suggest you work through that list and tidy up any orphans, then revert my edit to reinstate the CSD notice. (That'll notify me and I can pop by and smash it into little pieces for you, or someone else will) I'm sure someone else can also tell me whether 'what links here' would still works if the page is now blank, but it seemed better not to learn the heard way. I'll try and remember to test that out on the next page I have to delete. Hope this reply makes sense. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the response, Nick Moyes. I've gone ahead and manually removed the banner from the ~40 pages it was used and re-added the CSD notice. However, this has also led me to discover that the project's quality categories are still active, such as Category:Flight Simulation articles by quality. Since their project has been inactive since June 6th, do they meet CSD criteria as well? Thank you for your time. Game Is (assumedly) Wikipedian (tea?) 16:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@GameIsWikipedian: Well done. As quality isn't related to one project (unlike 'Importance') that assessment ought to be transferable to the video game template you replace it with, so just copy it across. Don't attempt to add an importance figure for the other Project if it's outside your knowledge area, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes, I have transferred the articles' quality rating to their appropiate WikiProjects. But category pages about Wikiproject Flight Simulation, like Category:Flight Simulation articles by quality and Category:Flight Simulation articles by importance (not hyperlinking them since that seems to add the Teahouse to that category, just copy-paste them into the search bar) are still active, although empty, since I removed all the Flight Simulation banners. Do we have to wait 7 days for the categories to meet WP:C1 or can they be deleted earlier? Best regards. PS: The category header still shows the categories as 'populated', but all the subcategories are empty. I think they take a while to refresh. Game Is (assumedly) Wikipedian (tea?) 19:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

You probably get loads of questions about this, but I can't figure out how to archive my talk page...

Hello,

I've added this to my user talk page:
{{User:MiszaBot/config | algo = old(10d) | archive = User talk:Thanoscar21/Archive %(counter)d | counter = 1 | maxarchivesize = 75K | archiveheader = {{Automatic archive navigator}} | minthreadstoarchive = 1 | minthreadsleft = 4 }}

It's not archiving. Can someone help me please? Please ping me.
Thanks, Thanoscar21_{talk, contribs} 21:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thanoscar21. I never find setting up archives easy, but did you not read the instructions at User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo? It only archives pages once a day, and you only set this up two hours ago! You'll need to give the bot time to do its run. What I would say is that you've set both your archive period to be far too short, and the archive max size to be far too small. Personally, I like having at least the last 3 months of talk page messages visible on my page at once, and don't want to waste time looking through inordinate numbers of teeny-tiny archives, which you'll get with those settings. You'll also need something to make links to your archive pages visible. I'll drop by your talk page and give it a tweak. If I mess up, or you don't like it, you can always revert my edits. How's that? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, so I've made some tweaks for you, and hope I've done it OK. (It's one of those things you do once then forget all about it once it's up and running). I've set the archive to kick in after 60 days, but you can tweak that once it's running. I've also made the max archive size 100k and leaving 10 threads at least on your talk page. Give it 24 or so to kick in, then come and give me a telling off if it hasn't worked properly! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, thanks a lot! On a side note: You've actually climbed the Matterhorn? Wow! Thanks, Thanoscar21_{talk, contribs} 19:35, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Writing an article about Cultural dimensions

I registered on July 3, 2020 with my Wikipedia account. I am interested in contributing to Wikipedia about quantitative cross-cultural research. I created a page called Draft: Cultural dimensions. Yesterday when I created the page and started to write in it, the page looked like a main Wikipedia page and was easily accessible from the browser. However, today I saw that the page is in the draft format and I am not allowed to publish it as a main Wikipedia page. I read that new users can not create main Wikipedia pages until their account is at least four days old. Then, will I be allowed to publish the page when my account becomes 4 days old? TheCultureDemystifier (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Cultural dimensions

Hello, TheCultureDemystifier and welcome to the Teahouse.

This draft will not be reviewed until it is submitted for review, which yoiu must do when you think it is ready for review.

Without access to the cited sources, I cannot judge the notability of this topic. You could use the |quote= parameter to provide key brief source quotes where the subject is discussed by the source -- No more than a sentence or a paragraph at most, please. I have made some additional comments on Draft talk:Cultural dimensions. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheCultureDemystifier. The reason you were able to create the article was because you didn't create a new page (which you're not technically able to do yet), but rather you turned an existing redirect into an article. GeneralNotability then moved the article to draft because, at that point, it had no references. Articles lacking references are liable to be nominated for deletion, so that was a good move. I'd recommend that you now work to make sure the draft is fully referenced before submitting it for review. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answers. I started to add references to the draft and I will continue to provide more references. I have added the numbers of the pages on which the information supporting the statements in my draft appears for some of the references and I will do so for the rest too.TheCultureDemystifier (talk) 19:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Selfies with BLPs

Quick Question: I sometimes see these images [10] "Morgan Fairchild at an event in Dallas in 2006" on BLP WP pages and wonder just how / why they are allowed. Clearly they are uploaded by non-notable contributors who have taken selfies with celebrities at an event and want their photos on WP. This does not really represent the BLP or meet WP guidelines for image representation. Shouldn't they be at least cropped or something? What real use do they have to the article? Maineartists (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Maineartists, did you in fact mean to refer to this photo? Anyone may request cropping at the WP:Image lab. I agree that cropping is called for, if the image has sufficient resolution to give a decent crop result. A parallel situation to what you describe arises when WP users generously share a photo of their own genitalia, rather than trying to obtain a public domain medical photo.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis Thank you. That covers both questions. Cropping and reason for inclusion. For this particular image of Fairchild, if the image warranted inclusion, it would definitely call for WP:Image lab. As it stands, simply stating: BLP in "given year" does not merit notable inclusion. The images accompanying her AIDS works is justified. The event that accompanies the image is not mentioned in the article. It should be removed. Thanks again. Maineartists (talk) 23:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Question about draft

hello; I created a wiki article months ago. it just sits there in draft mode. how can I get this updated to be searchable in public viewing wiki articles? Tmigel (talk) 16:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tmigel: Courtesy: this is about Draft:KAT Lawrence, which was never submitted for review. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Your user talk page contains a number of useful links, including to WP:Your first article. If you read the section WP:Your first article#Create your draft it tells you how to submit the draft for review. David Biddulph (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

need instructions on how to insert references as endnotes

 Shelulah1954 (talk) 23:33, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Shelulah1954. You could suggest you read Help:Footnotes, but I think WP:REFBEGIN, or even my own guide, WP:ERB would be a lot more help to you. This certainly isn't the way to do it. (If someone reverts you, all your links will still be avaialble in an old version via the View History tab at the top of the page). Let us know if this helps you. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Remove a notice about "editing living persons" because this person has died

I noticed that he had died and I made a small edit, but then I noticed the large notice of biography's of living persons warning, so I wanted to ask a more advanced editor to remove the notice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wing_Krafft Ty78ejui (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui:  Done I am unsure what exactly causes this, Afaik it is Category:Living People. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui and Victor Schmidt:, Wikipedia's Biography of Living persons continues to apply to recently deceased people, for a period from 1 month to about 2 years, depending on the circumstances of the case. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:BDP Says Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime.

So please continue to edit with care on this article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure he is actually dead due to lack of good sources, but he probably is dead. I just wanted to remove the outdated template. The only source is his own website which could not have been posted by him if he had died. I found one other source, but it was a re report of the original website post. If he had brain cancer for years, this could have affected his opinions re Holocaust Denial. I am looking for more answers. So in one month I can post back and someone will remove the template? I would have preferred an article an newspaper such as a local Seattle Paper or an Magazine that covers Art News to make the article look more polished. Ty78ejui (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I just read the notice in green and I agree its better to leave it up until it can be determined if he really died. I hate hoaxes and con men. Ty78ejui (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC) So now its been taken off, if he is proved alive it can always be changed back. It will make it better to edit without that huge banner popping up. Ty78ejui (talk) 00:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

How to add edit counter template

Dear fellow Wikipedians, How do I add the edit counter template in my user page ? Also I am using Chrome Lite in a android phone. Wikipedia says that browser is not recognised. Why is it so ? Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 09:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Anupamdutta73. I am unclear which template you are referring to, so could you post a link to it, please? I wasn't aware that there was an edit counter template, apart from Template:User Edit Count, plus the one you already have on your userpage which shows how long you've been editing here for. You are obviously managing to edit this page OK, so my recommendation would be always to do complicated tasks using WP:Source Editor, as here. Trying to add templates with Visual Editor never seems that simple, to me. Thirdly, make sure you are displaying Wikipedia in 'Desktop' mode and not in 'mobile view'. There is a very small link to switch between the two right at the very bottom of every page. I use a tiny iPhone to edit from, but find mobile view only good for reading pages, and definitely not for editing them. Let us know the 'edit counter' link you are referring to, and do tell us how you get on. Sorry you'v e had to wait so long for a response. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyes, Thanks for your reply... Firstly I agree mobile is best for reading.. Now about the "Edit Counter", the edit details that are displayed under "User Contributions" , I want to put in my user page.. Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I haven't used it, but User:UBX/LiveEditCounter might do what you want. Note that you have to install the "importScript..." line in your User:Anupamdutta73/common.js script. No idea whether it works on mobile. There's something to be said for the fact that most of the userboxes related to edit counts are actually about WP:Editcountitis. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: P.S.: I found balance by getting my counts from XTools edit counter once a month and manually updating my user page, ignoring it the rest of the time. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I can't see any way (or indeed any reason why ) you could put all your user contributions on your userpage. As suggested above, you could check your edit counts every so often, and then maybe post a Service Award there to indicate your tall ([https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Anupamdutta73 300 edits to date). If, when you've been around Wikipedia a lot longer, you want to get really into the merits of your contributions, see how you do with this lot:

Anupamdutta73 (talk · contribs · logs · block log · page moves · count · edit summaries · non-automated edits · articles created · BLP edits · AfD votes · XfD votes · admin score (beta) · no prior RfA)

-that should give you something to work on! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Just as an example of presenting edit counts, I have at the top of my user page an "am I online?" section which has edit count manually written at the 10s of thousands level, with a note of the % of deleted edits; I pull this manually (very infrequently) from https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Ceyockey , the "Basic Information" section - I won't be updating this until I hit 70,000 edits, which will be a while. That link is available at the bottom of your "Contributions page" via a link labeled "Edit count". Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is some idiot vandalizing my article

WP:DFTT John from Idegon (talk) 01:20, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Why is he doing that. Fuc them I spent my time and some idiot is supporting them. PippeliPerse (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC) This user was indefinitely blocked. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Cape Coral High School is not your article; it is an article that was created in 2007 and edited many times since then. Your additions may be true, but YouTube is not accepted by Wikipedia as a reliable source for a reference. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC) There's no blanket ban on YouTube, David notMD. See WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOREF. Videos made by reputable broadcasters that are hosted on YouTube can be considered reliable sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Cordless Larry, But it is better to avoid YouTube as per WP:YTREF as a reliable source because Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations ~ Amkgp 💬 17:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Amkgp, again, there is no blanket advice to avoid using all YouTube videos as references. Editors must use good editorial judgment. A news video on the official TouTube channel of a reliable source is by definition a reliable source. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Since noone has yet linked WP:RSPYT I'll throw that in here too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Help

Draft:Rasulpur (village) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VIJAYSINH RANA 542 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

VIJAYSINH RANA 542 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What help is it that you want? 331dot (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The article I created has been moved to Draft. So help me. VIJAYSINH RANA 542 (talk)

Hello, VIJAYSINH RANA 542. Mccapra moved it to draft because it lacks sources: Wikipedia articles should always be sourced, so that a reader has a way of checking the information. Add some reliable sources (for all the information), and you can submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

My RfA (Request for Advice)

What is the purpose of the "External links" section at the bottom of articles. In other words, what do I put in User:Chicdat/sandbox#External links? Thanks sooooooooo much, 🐔 Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: See WP:EL. In the case of the article you're working on, if you weren't already citing the Bureau of Meteorology page on Cyclone Owen, I'd recommend that (but you are, so don't put it in the external links).

You do not have to have external links in an article. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. 🐔 Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Brand

what is the most popular brand of bread in south africa Bdetfehigj (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting an article

Hello, What are the steps to requesting an article on a topic where I have a conflict of interest? I followed Wikipedia's advice on its Requested Articles page and have found a general topic and sub-topic Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts but I'm not sure what steps to take from here. If the proposed topic is about a notable art gallery, do I add the name and sources via Edit Source in alphabetical order and then {{request edit}}? Thank you! GALAMAC (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
To create an article, follow these steps:

1. Read Your first article carefully.
2. If you don't have an account, consider creating one (it's not essential, but it makes some things easier, especially communicating with other editors) and logging in.
3. Learn the basics of editing with the Wikipedia:Tutorial
4. Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
5. Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
6. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
7. Use the Article Wizard to create a draft.
8. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines. Base the article on what the references say, rather than on what you know.
9. Once you believe that your draft meets Wikipedia's requirements, submit it for review by picking the "Submit your draft for review" button in the draft.
10. Be aware that many drafts are not accepted the first time, or even the second time they are submitted for review, for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are particularly likely not to be accepted, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones.

This process includes when you have a conflict of interest to the article subject. You will need to make sure to disclose your conflict of interest to the article subject as well. You can see more how to do that here: WP:DISCLOSE. Good luck, --Jack Frost (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

creating a page for my nonprofit

I run a 501(c)(3) and I'd like to start a Wikipedia page on it. My org has third party references, a legit website, legit relationships with stakeholders. But I'm just not sure if *I* as the President can make the page without a conflict of interest... at the same time, I'm not sure who would want to create a Wikipedia page about a nonprofit OTHER THAN those involved with it. I also certainly don't want to do anything improper, especially now that I'm familiar with the concept of "advocacy" on Wikipedia. Please forgive my n00bery Bowleskimberlyb (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bowleskimberlyb, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've no idea what those letters and numbers mean, but I'm assuming you run a charity The bottom line is that if you aren't sure why anyone would want to write about your organisation (NPOAS?) then it probably isn't Notable enough yet to have an article about it on Wikipedia. We only include subjects which have been written about in detail and in depth by independent sources. The link I've just given you shows how we judge notability for organisations. That doesn't mean that non-notable organisations don't do amazing work, just that if news media and books/magazines haven't written about it then there's little chance. But maybe they have? If you found and linked to the three or four best sources that talk about your organisation, then maybe we could judge for you.

If you then decided to write (or get an employee/volunteer) to write about the company, you would not only have a clear Conflict of Interest, but would probably also need to declare paid editing, per this mandatory policy: WP:PAID. That's not to say you can't do it - just that we'll be pretty tough if you don't do it right! Because Wikipedia is not here to help companies or charities in their WP:PROMOTION, you may feel that other social media outlets are better places to raise awareness, and also far more control than you would ever get here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Bowleskimberlyb (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a place to merely tell about something. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages, about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, in this case, the definition of a notable organization.(please review) Typically, an article is written by a Wikipedia editor that takes note of a subject in reliable sources and chooses to write about it. Articles are not typically written by editors with a conflict of interest with the subject. It is not forbidden to do so, but it is very difficult. In order for you to succeed in writing about your organization, you in essence need to forget everything you know about it, everything on its website or in press releases, and only write based on the content of independent sources that have chosen on their own to write about it. Most people in your position have great difficulty doing that. Press releases, brief mentions, routine announcements, staff interviews, or other primary sources do not establish notability. If you truly feel that you can write such an article, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review by an independent editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia.

As the president of the organization, you will need to comply with the paid editing policy and formally declare that status. You don't have to be paid in cash money; unpaid volunteer positions count. 331dot (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Those letters and numbers(501c3) refer to a provision in the United States tax code that allows for nonprofit organizations to pay reduced taxes. 331dot (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Thanks. I guessed something like that, though it's a reflection that everyone in America thinks Wikipedia is written by Americans for Americans, and that everyone will naturally know what they're on about. (You know, I do think this Covid lockdown lark is turning me into a real grumpy old man!) Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Nick, keep in mind us folks on this side of the pond likely wouldn't know what an NGO is either. Viva la difference¡ John from Idegon (talk) 08:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, you can keep the French out of it, John! Sacrebleu! Good point - although I had always thought NGO was a worldwide term - is it not? I guess that demonstrates the inherent parochialism we all bring to this platform. I'd better collect my P45 and go fill in my UB40 now. 73s! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

A request to edit or creat an artcle in wikipedia

Firstly thank you for leaving a msg in my Talkspace Manith Dulnim I would like to request from you to make an article, a biography about which I was creating and was rejected. It's about me cuz I'm a famous and a public figure in Sri Lanka and a musician. Always many people are texting and calling me asking about my details, life and many more matters all the time and they also asked why my details are not in Wikipedia. so for the wellbeing and for the sake of the community, people and all the fans and other interested people, I would like to request you for making the Wikipedia article about myself. If you are eligible and need the price referring for making the article...pls contact me via wiki or any other social media network (Redacted)  Manith Dulnim (talk) 13:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:H.N.Manith Dulnim was declined, with reasons given. Your Youtube, Twitter and Instagram are not acceptable references. Teahouse is NOT a place to try to find an editor to pay to attempt to create an article about you. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Manith Dulnim: The people that ask you why you are not on Wikipedia have a common misunderstanding of its purpose. Wikipedia is not a social media platform where people can post profiles and information about themselves. It is an encyclopedia, like Encyclopædia Britannica, which discusses what reliable sources have written about various subjects. Please see WP:NOTSOCIAL and the other sections of that page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @David notMD and Manith Dulnim: It is emphatically not the case that Youtube and Twitter in general are not acceptable references although many specific items from those sites are not.

WP:YT says: While there is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites, the links must abide by the guidelines on this page. ... Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis.

News videos uploaded via official channels, for example, are normally acceptable sources. WP:ABOUTSELF is often relevant.

However, the sizable majority of any article should be based on professionally published, independent, reliable sources, and that at least several of these should include significant coverage of the topic. Self-published content will not help establish notability. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Two user names/accounts?

Dear WIKIPEDIA

I am not sure if I have two user ID's or accounts. WaleedAhmadAddas and wajaddas -- are they the same one account? Also is this subject visible in the public domain or is it a personal support question seen by Wikipedia only? thanks WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 11:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

• @WaleedAhmadAddas: It appears that is an account called wajaddas registered, as well as the account you are currently using (WaleedAhmadAddas). These are two separate accounts. Usually editors will use only one account, as using more than one account can be against Wikipedia's policies. You can read more about this here: WP:SOCK. This noticeboard is publicly visible. --Jack Frost (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello WaleedAhmadAddas and welcome to the Teahouse! User:WaleedAhmadAddas and User:Wajaddas are two different user accounts. If both are yours, please stop using one of them, in general editors should only use one account, more at WP:SOCKLEGIT.

Anyone on the internet who knows where this page is can see it. The same goes for any WP talkpages etc you find, including WP:Userspace drafts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this tip. Can I delete one of them as both are mine? I thought they were one and the same (merged)!WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

WaleedAhmadAddas, no, can't be done, but you can of course delete the text from the user/usertalk page. Try to forget the password of the other one and don't use it anymore. If you want, you can write something like "I have previously used the User:Wajaddas username" on your userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Done, pls confirm.WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

WaleedAhmadAddas Well, you mean to keep this account, right? So I meant put it at User:WaleedAhmadAddas. Just click that redlink, write and publish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I have kept the WaleedAhmadAddas and as suggested will forget the wajaddas (also I deleted the text under wajaddas and wrote the sentence suggested by you)WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@WaleedAhmadAddas: Actually, you put that declaration of your other username at User:Wajaddas. It should, instead, be at User:WaleedAhmadAddas. Please also see WP:INDENT regarding talk page indenting. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas (talk • contribs) 17:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft not reflecting changes made in sandbox

Hello! I am working on AFC on the subject K C Pandey which is in my sandbox & waiting for review but it was moved to Draft as subject name. All the changes I have made in sandbox is not reflecting in Draft. Please advice what am I supposed to do Thanks, Shekhar in (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Shekhar in (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Shekhar in and welcome to the Teahouse. You apparently started the draft at User:Shekhar in/sandbox/K C Pandey and moved it to Draft:K. C. Pandey which is a perfectly suitable place for it. You seem to have created a different version of this same draft at User:Shekhar in, which is not an acceptable location. It is a bad idea to have two versions o0f the same article at once in Wikipedia (with a few very limited excepotsuions which do not apply here). I strongly advise you to copy any information from User:Shekhar in to Draft:K. C. Pandey that you want in the draft, and then to blank the user page, and consider rewriting it.

There is no automated mechanism to copy edits from one page to another.

Your main user page, User:Shekhar in, should be a description of you, not of anyone else, but it should be a description of you as a Wikipedia editor, not in general. It may include such things as: articles or other pages worked on, to-do lists for Wikipedia, helpful links for Wikipedia editing, brief biographical content, lists of your skills and interests which may be relevant to Wikipedia editing, views on Wikipedia policies and philosophy, freely licensed images, brief quotes, and other content relates to Wikipedia. See our policy on user pages for more detail. It should not look like a Wikipedia article, not be used as a place to draft an article, see WP:FAKEARTICLE. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh I must add, Shekhar in, that as it currently stands, Draft:K. C. Pandey would not be accepted if submited for reveiw. It needs more cited reliable and independent sources, in my view, and does not (yet) demonstrate the WP:notability of Pandey. See WP:NPROF for details on the notability of academics. Also the version at User:Shekhar in has far too many external links -- I suspect some of these should be used as cited sources. See our policy on external links, but in general an external link should be to a site that offers useful information relevsnt to the topic, but which would not be appropriate for inclusion in the article, perhaps because of size. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot. Kind guidance is much appretiated. I will do all possible as adviced. Regards, Shekhar in (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Someone undid my correction

For the "Roy Buchanan" article it mistakenly said that Jeff Beck's album Blow by Blow (1975) came after Buchanon's A Street called Straight (1976) I made a small correction and have now been informed that someone undid my correction. My question is why? 74.197.144.180 (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The only two edits this IP has made are the OP here and this one, which seems to be an incomplete and unexplained removal of content. Please provide a link to the edit in question so we can answer your question. John from Idegon (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

You removed sourced content: [11]. Another editor thought that was vandalism. Next step is to discuss your proposed change on the artcile's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 18:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to use pictures that have been uploaded to another language section of Wikipedia in English Wikipedia?

Is it possible to use pictures that have been uploaded to another language section of Wikipedia in English Wikipedia? Sextus Caedicius (talk) 16:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Edit: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%90._%D0%9F._%D0%95%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%83_(%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9) the picture in this article is the one I want to use, thanks in advance!

Hello, Caedicius and welcome to the Teahouse.

Not without downloading them from the other Wikipedia, and then uploading back to en.,Wikipedia. That is the good thing about uploading to commons: images (and other files) on commons may be used on any edition o0f Wikipedia, and any other Wikimedia project. Also note that the rules and standards for images, like other things, may be different on different editions of Wikipedia. Just because an image was accepted elsewhere does not mean i9t is acceptable on en.Wikipedia -- the same checks must be run as it it was a new upload. That is another good thing about commons, an image acceptable there should be acceptable on all projects. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sextus Caedicius: Are you sure the image that you want to use is actually on the local language Wikipedia, and not on Commons? If you could link to the article and tell us which image it is, we can better comment on the status. Is it maybe az:Çeçenlərin və inquşların deportasiyası or ka:ჩეჩნებისა და ინგუშების დეპორტაცია? Both have many images that reside on Commons, and so may be easily used on this wiki if they are suitable additions to the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

It appears the image in question is on Commons here. John from Idegon (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking to check notability of a potential article subject

I aim to write an article about a Canadian politician, but I need to know if he is considered "notable" enough to be in an article. Weirdedit99 (talk) 20:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Weirdedit99. Please start by reading the notability guideline for politicians. Unelected political candidates are seldom notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Search Engine Results

Hello All,

I have a question regarding Search Engine indexing / results of some of the articles. Specifically, my question is about Ravi Venkatesan, who is a leading Indian Business Executive (Co-chairman Infosys, former chairman of Microsoft India, amongst other positions).I have a strange situation, where Google links the Wikipage on the knowledge panel on the RHS. But, the article doesn't come up in the search results. I am wondering if this is something at my end. Please can someone help me with this one.

Thanks. Kaisertalk (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Kaisertalk (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kaisertalk. I'm quite surprised the Knowledge Panel actually contains a functional link to the page on Ravi Venkatesan that you created on 9 April 2020. The page hasn't passed through New Page Patrol yet, which normally means articles aren't allowed to get indexed by Google. But once they remain unreviewed for (I think) 90 days, Google then indexes them anyway. So, doing nothing, I suspect Google will be allowed to index and present the page in search results pretty soon. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick Moyes for this note. I am now in a conflicted state. Someone has now moved the article to a draft page. I absolutely agree that if this is the right thing to do - we should do that, and leave it in this state until it is moved by an Admin to the main space. However, someone has now declined saying that it doesn't meet the guidelines for Notability with not 'enough' independent sources. I would like some assistance in identifying 'enough' independent sources. The only reason I say this is that as a Business Executive, I have no doubt that someone who is the Chairman of the board of some of the leading companies in India (Infosys, Bank of Baroda, and formerly Cummins, and Microsoft India) should qualify as notable. If I am doing something wrong in identifying these independent sources, please let me know. For now, I have some leading newspaper articles, citations from foundations such as the Rockefeller foundation etc. But, will definitely work on your guidance.

@Nick Moyes: Pardon an addition in my note. I added a request for additional details / guidance on how best to remedy this note, and I received a one line reply "Not Interested". Link here. Appreciate any guidance that you can help with.

[Edit Conflict] Hi, Kaisertalk. You appear to have created the article directly in Article Space on 9th April, 6 days less than 90 days ago, and it has not yet been reviewed by the New Page Patrol.

As I understand it, when an article is first created as a Draft, a Reviewer carries out a review (naturally) on request, and if it meets Wikipedia's standards, moves it to Article space, which means it's marked as accessible to the webcrawlers of Google and other search engines. However, if it's created directly in Article space, it is not made visible to Google, etc., until either it's reviewed and passed by the NPP or after it's been in Article space for 90 days, whichever comes sooner. This is to ensure that articles which do not (yet) meet Wikipedia's standards are not searchable.

Since neither condition yet applies to this article, Google shouldn't be able to include it in search results. However, it may be that Google's knowledge panel was somehow able to find and use data from the article anyway.

Shortly, the article will reach the 90-day threshold, after which Google's webcrawlers will be able to see it on their next pass (Wikipedia has no control over when that will be). It may be that this exchange prompts a New Page Patrol review even before that happens, in which case they will either mark it as reviewed, or possibly move it to Draft status if they don't think it meets the required standards. (Not being a reviewer myself, I can't make a judgement on whether it does, but I think it may be borderline.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.20 (talk) 16:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@2.122.56.20: if anyone outside of the company knew how Google's search indexing worked, they would be a millionaire or even billionaire very quickly. It's largely opaque, for obvious reasons. I do know that the other day I created an article, and then I went searching for further sourcing. The new article then appeared in the google results, in less than a minute! However, I am autopatrolled, meaning my new articles aren't manually reviewed. I have the sense, and this is of course speculation, that Google is indexing Wikipedia very, very often. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@2.122.56.20:@ThatMontrealIP: Thanks much. Agree with your comments.

Subjects of Google knowledge panels can claim ownership of them, so it might be that the subject here has done so and manually added a link to the Wikipedia article. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: - Thanks for your note. I think I figured out the reasoning. It came in from a backlink to an existing page. The article has quite a few backlinks. Kaisertalk (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing with COI

Hello!

I need some help with a draft to make sure that I'm doing it the right way, Please check GSS message here and my reply to understand the case, and my declaration on my user page and the draft talk page. Just want to make sure that I'm using the right templates, Also is that correct to remove UPE tag now from the draft page. Finally, I need to submit if through articles for creation, how can i do so in case there's no submission button yet. Thanks in advance for your help. JoyGenea (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC) JoyGenea (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi JoyGenea. I added Template:AFC draft to the top of the draft. Just click on the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button when think its ready for an AFC reviewer to look at. As for the UPE template, I've gone ahead and removed it; however, if you're being compensated to create the article, then I would suggest you use the template Template:Connected contributor (paid) (instead of Template:Connected contributor) on the draft's talk page and Template:Paid (instead of Template:UserboxCOI) on your user page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, Appreciate your help, it will be more accurate to replace the templates according to your suggestion. Thanks once again! -- JoyGenea (talk) 03:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Question about a citation I saw and if it's correct

I'm relatively new to wikipedia editing and I noticed something strange when reading the Great Chicago Fire article. Throughout the article citation #1 is used multiple times and often has a colon then a number after the citation (e.g. ^[1]:148). Since the citation is a book I'm assuming the number is the page the citation is referencing. Is this the right way to do it? I know the citation template (Template:Cite book) for books has a thing for page numbers but is this method valid? I doubt it since i've never seen it done like this but I just wanted to double check since I'm a rookie. Thanks! MaxGame5o (talk) 00:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaxGame5o: hello and wlecome to the Teahouse. The template I use for page numbers, which is also the one used in the Great Chicago Fire article, is template:rp. It's useful when you already have ref tags but want to add the page number. In wikicode this would give you page 144 of the source:

<ref> source content</ref>{{rp|144}}

As the template says, this is a "relatively uncommon method", so others may have advice. Hope that helps. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Thanks, that was very helpful. I just wanted to make sure it was a legit citation method and not put there by mistake since I never saw it before. Good thing I asked before changing it!— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxGame5o (talk • contribs)

@MaxGame5o: Yes, it's valid. The alternative (Harvard cites using {{Sfn}}) is substantially more difficult and error-prone. The first instance using the scheme you've mentioned looks like <ref name="RefName">...</ref>{{Rp|10–12}}. Cites to other pages in the same source can be done with just {{R|RefName|p=22}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

 Ganjijaikanth (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Note to hosts: Ganjijaikanth failed to add their question here, but later added one to their talk page addressed to the Teahouse. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Machinexa (talk) 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

What are you doing my friend— Preceding unsigned comment added by Machinexa (talk • contribs) 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Machinexa were you trying to add your own section, or attempting to reply to the editor who started this discussion? Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ganjijaikanth, the subject of your draft needs to meet the notability guidelines at either WP:GNG, or failing that, WP:ENT, before the draft can become an article. You need to demonstrate that the requirements are met, using reliable sources to support the claims in the draft. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

This page was from gajnikant topic was hi with no content as I remember. I just replied the hi to him. Machinexa (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Why Was My Article Declined?

My draft article - Draft:Moaning_(band) was declined. I have left the following message on the talk page of the article (the reviewer directed me to leave a message on the talk page of the draft article and referred me to the Teahouse in the event I wanted to contest a rejection):

I do not understand why you declined my submission. As far as I can see, it definitely meets Criterion 1 of musical notability - sources include a well-known newspaper and arguably one of national record (the Los Angeles Times) and well-known sources that meet the reliability criteria as specified in the "Wikipedia: Reliable sources" page. Albeit most of the sources could be considered primary but they satisfy the criteria laid out in the aforementioned page for primary sources. Please let me know either how exactly you disagree with the assertion I've just put forth or let me know how to get to the point of this article's publication on Wikipedia at your earliest convenience. Thank you.

Please let me know how exactly I can go about rectifying whatever deficiencies exist in the draft article. I am convinced the subject of the article deserves to have an article.

Thanks! Rossmoody88 (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rossmoody88, the reviewer said to rework the draft as necessary, make your case at the talk page if necessary, and resubmit. It is unlikely that anyone has seen your note at the draft's talk page since you have not resubmitted. It seems to me the case you are making is that the band meets WP:GNG; if you have nothing to add to the draft, having asserted which criterion you are shooting for, you could simply resubmit. Consider adding to your talk page note, a list of your WP:THREE best sources (no more), for evaluation. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

No move option

Hi, I was trying to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullakkara_Ratnakaran page. The title of the page has got a typo. His name is Mullakkara Retnakaran. What can i do to edit the title of the page? There is no move option in my interface Penformat (talk) 07:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I've moved it for you. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

How to create new Categories

How to create new Categories like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_Wikipedians etc. I want to create categories wikipedian with Instagram profile Zebuready (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Zebuready. That seems like an incredibly specific and not hugely sensible category. If anything, I'd have though Category: Wikipedians with social media accounts would be more logical. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The how-to is at the help page that you linked in your own question. In short, just go to the address and create the page. Look at other similar categories for guidance on how to format it and what to include. The category will be populated when it's added to at least one userpage. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Zebuready: You can place {{User Instagram}} on your user page. It's listed at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Internet/Websites. Users with the userbox can be seen by clicking "What links here" under "Tools" in the left pane. A category sounds inappropriate per "Categories that are overly narrow in scope" at Wikipedia:User categories#Inappropriate types of user categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

West London College is a former college getting mixed up with the current West London College on Google

Dear TeaHouse,

Currently if you search for West London College on google it places the actual Wikipaedia page beneath the website search result and confuses another West London College on the right hand side of the web page. Google has mixed up the two colleges so that the logo of the current one and its website address is mixed in with the Wikipaedia link for the old one that no longer exists.

The correct website is wlc.ac.uk and the college is called West London College (formerly known as Ealing, Hammersmith and West London College) The correct Wikipaedia page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ealing,_Hammersmith_and_West_London_College However this has the old name of Ealing, Hammersmith and West London College, which we changed a couple of years ago to West London College.

The incorrect Wkipaedia page coming up is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_London_College This is a completely unrelated organisation, which just happens to have the same name.

If I edit the name on our wikipaedia page to West London College, will this solve the problem?

I look forward to hearing from you. 2A00:23C7:6B8A:4800:C159:EA59:9520:2598 (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. There are two separate issues. The first one is to do with the names. You cannot "edit" the name of a page - it is done by moving the article, but we cannot have two articles with the same name, and in any case only registered accounts can move pages. In this case, I suspect that the best approach would be to rename the existing article to someting like West London College (1977), and yours to West London College; but that will require an administrator in any case. The thing to do is to request the move at WP:requested moves.

The second issue is Google: if the articles are moved as suggested, it is likely that Google will sort it out, but we have no control over how long that may take. If Google doesn't get it correct you'll need to contact Google, not Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I have done two moves and a redirect. We now have the disambiguation page: West London College; then there are West London College (1977-2017), and West London College (further and higher education). How long it will take Google to notice any of that, I cannot say. Hope this helps. --Orange Mike | Talk

Protect page

can anyone help me to tell that , how to lock an article and protect from other editor who don't know how to edit. Bijoyonline30 (talk) 09:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bijoyonline30 and welcome to the Teahouse! I can't see any edit disputes in your recent editing history so I don't know what page you would want to protect. That said, page protection should be used to reduce vandalism, not to stop inexperienced editors from editing the page. If you disagree with what someone is doing, assume good faith, and leave a message on their talk page to try to resolve the issue. Page protection is a last resort against vandalism and is almost certainly not going to be used to try to prevent one user from editing an article. Giraffer (munch) 09:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Giraffer, thanks for your reply. This is really helpful. Once again thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Request

can you get a request to edit any article without getting permission?? Bdetfehigj (talk) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bdetfehigj: You dont need a "permission" to edit any article on Wikipedia, yust do it. The page history will record your change. Sometimes, articles may be protected. In this case, you can make an edit request to the articles talkpage. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Strikethrough

How do I put a Strikethough on one of my edits (which I don't want to delete)? Thanks Devokewater (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Devokewater. You can place <s>...</s> around the text. It's one of the options under "Wiki markup" in the edit tools most users have below the edit area. Don't use it in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Devokewater You do it like this: I think Devoke Water is a horrible lovely place to visit. You can manually put the on-off commands around the words you want to strike out , or you can use the toobar in the editor you're using. In WP:Source Editor, highlight the words, then click the 'A' cymbal symbol for style text, then 'More' to select the formatting you want. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes + PrimeHunter I needed to use it for a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion edit. Devokewater (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Just a quick question, how do I do the coordinates of locations, just confusing to me. Neararena (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: Generally, by using the {{Coord}} template. The specifics depend on, well, the specifics. Can you provide some details? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: What do you mean the specifics, I'm confused? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neararena (talk • contribs) 06:40, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: Where are you trying to add co-ordinates (which article)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Neararena, context matters. Are you trying to identify the location of a grave or monument, or a large building, or a park, or a city, or a county or province? Specific questions get more accurate and reliable answers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: One trick that I often use when I'm confused how to do stuff is to find a page that does it properly. I then copy the relevant bit of source code into my sandbox and play with it there until I get it working, before adding it to a live page. Obviously, unless you tell us more, we can't help you further without writing you a full manual. Please be a little clearer (more specific) about precisely which step you have got confused at, and what you're atcually trying to achieve. Links to articles help. Maybe you don't know how to get lat and long from Google maps; maybe you do't know how to convert one format to another; maybe you don't know how to define the coordinates of a linear feature like a river; maybe you've read the documentation and looked at working pages and still don't understand how to deploy the {{Coord}}; maybe you've coordinates in OSGB and want to use those, maybe you want to insert a map into an infobox. The more specific you are, the less time we spend telling you stuff you do already understand, or simply don't need. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Photos

how do I add pictures that matches with the article Bdetfehigj (talk) 11:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Bdetfehigj, if you have taken the photograph yourself, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, following the steps at Commons:Project:First steps. You can add the image following the steps at Help:Pictures. You can also look through Wikimedia Commons for images to use; everything there can be used here.

If it's not your photograph, its a bit more complicated. Generally, they aren't allowed. If you think the image use meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, then I'd recommend going through Wikipedia:Files for upload, which handles the process. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 12:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

colin Richardson speedway rider changing of photo

how can i change the photo in my profile ? 86.98.18.66 (talk) 09:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

86.98.18.66, Wikipedia doesnt have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles about subjects that satisfy WP:GNG or a more specific notability guideline. If you want to chang the photo, please go to Wikipedia:Files for upload and request the File to be uploaded first. Then you can go to the article talkpage and discuss the replacement with the other editors. Please be advised that there is a possibility that the photo will not be changed. Nobody "owns" a Wikipedia article, so you may find it difficult. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, be aware that you may have a photo of you that you want in the article, but the copyright to that photo belongs to the photographer, not the person in the photo. The photographer would need to be the person submitting the photo, which would include giving up copyright ownership, so that anyone could use the photo, anywhere. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User name found red coloured regarding

My user name's colour shows red ? Did I do anything wrong ? Thanks. Helppublic (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Helppublic: welcome to the Teahouse. No, you have not done anything wrong. The "redlink" simply means that the link leads to an empty page. If you create a userpage, the link will turn blue, but that is not mandatory. If you do decide to create a userpage, please have a quick look at this information. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Helppublic, absolutely not. It's red because you haven't created your WP:USERPAGE. To do that, click the red link, write something and publish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Helppublic now blue. Just delete what I wrote there and replace with your own content. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Correction entry "Anna Magdalena Bach"

Please, can somebody please eliminate misleading information in the entry "Anna Magdalena Bach"? At present unreliable sources are quoted (references 4,5,6). Check the entry Anna Magdalena Bach in the German Wikipedia! I am sorry to say that I didn´t manage the editing properly myself. Yours Magnus Kihlbom Magnuskihl (talk) 11:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not obvious to me that these sources aren't reliable. If they are indeed unreliable, you are welcome to argue this in Talk:Anna Magdalena Bach, and to get agreement for removing them. Asking people to read de:Anna Magdalena Bach won't be persuasive, but asking them to read it in order to observe such-and-such may be persuasive. -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Commons App "Nearby places needs a photo"

Hi guys

I post 2 types of photos to wikicommons photos using the app. First is photos I take of places I like and think they may be useful to others. Second nearby places that I am NOT interested in but wiki says it needs a photo.

In this latter case the blue upside down teardrop (map marker) turns to green and only shows if the "needs photo" box is unchecked. It has been very rewarding to do this. But suddenly it has stopped working. My most recent photos (since about the beginning of June) do not alter the "needs photo" status and the teardrop remains blue.

I like doing these photos, a new hobby, but not so much that I have to take time and in some cases petrol money to photograph a milepost or a bridge for no real reason other than wiki wants one.

Example : https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Milepost_on_A493.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

Can anyone explain what may have happened. Should I stop doing these types of photos. Should I just go back to posting photos that are useful but not linked to a specific wiki requirement.

Many thanks Peter Peter Glyn (talk) 08:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peter Glyn: Someone who happens to be familiar with the topic may answer you here, but each Wikimedia project is a separate entity, with its own help facilities. You'll get a better-targeted audience for your question at c:Commons:Help desk. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 Thank you. I have now done as you suggest. Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Glyn (talk • contribs) 12:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing pages created by others

Hello I want to request an edit to Unchain My Heart (album) page.

I noticed on that page that under == Production == it states

Mixed by Chris Lord-Alge at Unique Recording (New York, NY).

I would like to edit it to read

Mixed by Chris Lord-Alge at Unique Recording Studios(New York, NY).

Please adviseJoanne.nathan (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Joanne.nathan (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Joanne.nathan, and welcome to the Teahouse. No article in Wikipedia is owned or controlled by anybody in particular, and in general anybody may edit any article. If the change you want to make might be controversial, it is a good idea to discuss it on the article's talk page first; but for an obvious improvement like your suggestion (assuming that it links to the correct "Unique Recording Studios"!) you might as well go ahead and make the edit. Make sure you leave an edit summary explaining what you did. See BRD for the general principle. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, -ColinFine Thank for the quick reply. The example I gave above has been deemed as a COI by others. Please see my talk page. I would like to request that another user make the edit. Also It was mentioned that could make a request on the talk page for the article, but since I am a novice wanted to get the correct procedure. When I go to the Unchain My Heart (album) page, I can't seen to find how to do the request?Joanne.nathan (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Joanne.nathan. Sorry, I did not check. You can post a request at Talk:Unchain My Heart (album). Given its appearance here, it is likely that somebody will notice it anyway, but in general, you can attach the template {{edit request}}, and that will put it on a list of witing requests. See WP:Edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 08:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I've made the change, although that article on Unique Recording Studios could use some work. Turner Street (talk) 13:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User boxes

Hi,

Can anyone tell me how to make a userbox please? Thank you! 😊😊 Narges.127 (talk) 12:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Narges.127, You look at the <<Help : Sandbox>> page... Alternatively look at the user pages of the great Wikipedians.. Yo will get great, no super-great ideas.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 13:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Narges.127. You should find a fair bit of guidance by reading Wikipedia:Userboxes. There are lots already pre-made, but you can create your own, too. I notice on your userpage that you've expressed how really, really bored you are. You wait 'til you're older - you'll never be bored, but the downside is that you will be old! You must appreciate that this is a serious project to create and enhance an amazing worldwide encyclopaedia on notable topics, and not a place to mess about. So do take care, as those who clearly aren't here to contribute do have a habit of mysteriously disappearing. Regards from the UK (where my daughter also loves kpop), Nick Moyes (talk) 13:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Studio parameter of the album's infobox (Template:Infobox album#studio)

Is the studio parameter of the album's infobox Wikipedia definition only for recording studios where a record was recorded, and not where it was overdubbed and/or mixed? "If the album was recorded in a recording studio, enter the name and location." (Template:Infobox album#studio). It does not say to include anything other than a studio in which the album was recorded. The Wikipdia page Audio mixing (recorded music) states "Before the introduction of multitrack recording, all sounds and effects that were to be part of a record were mixed at one time during a live performance. If the recorded mix wasn't satisfactory, or if one musician made a mistake, the selection had to be performed over until the desired balance and performance was obtained. With the introduction of multi-track recording, the production of a modern recording changed into one that generally involves three stages: recording, overdubbing, and mixing." Since the 1970's, record albums have been recorded in three stages: recording, overdubbing, and mixing. It was common practice to record an album in one studio, overdub in another studio and mixed in another. I would argue for the listing of every recording studio that was used in the making of the song or album. Please weigh in here. Joanne.nathan (talk) 11:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Joanne.nathan (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Joanne.nathan: I'd recommend starting a discussion at Template talk:Infobox album, perhaps leaving notifications of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional sound production. People here probably don't have an answer to these very specific questions, and this isn't the best place to hold a discussion like that. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

July 6th 2020

Hello, I just recently made an edit to the bad news bears. It it ok to not cite a reliable source? If not, then where do you cite it? Thanks! :-) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ILoveCocomelon and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia requires you to cite a reliable source when you add information. (You do not need to cite a source if you are re-wording or formatting something.) To cite a source, click the 'Cite' button at the top of the page. If your source is a website, copy and paste the URL in the box that appears. Then click generate, wait a couple seconds and then click insert. This will work if your source is a website. If your source is not a website, you will need to insert it manually. For more info on citing sources, see WP:CITE. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 13:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@ILoveCocomelon: It's worth saying that if you are adding a small changes, but are being reverted, it's usually because another editor disagrees with your change. You then need to prove you are doing the right thing. If, say, its a minor spelling difference of a name, you would then be expected to cite a source to demonstrate you are right (or discuss the issue with the other editor). We want to avoid continual back and forth changes because two sets of people believe they are right. By way of example, I recently had to give an editing block to a good faith edit for a short period of time for constantly adding correct information that was being challenged and reverted by other editors. Instead of giving edit summaries and adding citations to show they were right, they simply carried on regardless, editing numerous articles in exactly the same unclear way. It was impossible for anyone else to get inside the editor's mind to know that they were adding correct info. Even though correct, their actions were clearly disruptive to the project. But after a polite exchange of words and an explanation of the problem, they undertook to ensure their edits were properly sourced and explained in future. They were quickly unblocked and the project has benefited from their better factual input. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@ILoveCocomelon and Giraffer: Note that the automated citation generation tools, such as the one Giraffer is suggesting above (there are others) often give output that is not fully accurate. One should always check the output and correct it as needed. In particular, dates are often not picked up, and the name of the publisher o0r the publication is often incorrectly stuffed into the title of the source. Author info is often not picked up, or is incorrect. All these must be corrected manually.

There are also tools for generating citations for books from ISBNs, and journal articles from DOIs and other identifiers.

Also, it is not corect to say that Wikipedia requires you to cite a reliable source when you add information. Direct quotes must always be cited inline, as must negative or controversial information about a living person. Any content that is highly unusual, controversial, or has been or is likely to be challenged, should be cited to a reliable source. Uncontroversial facts need not be cited unless they are challenged, although adding such cites is a good idea even when not strictly required. See you don't need to cit4e that the sky is blue. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Google search result wiki profile incorrect

rajeev satav is presently member of parliament but during google search wiki shows him as former member of parliament. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03HhnMJO6TkKhmR4HPqQRnUBD411Q%3A1594043802231&source=hp&ei=mi0DX6H7C6Ke4-EP7eiFoAU&q=rajeev+satav&oq=rajeev+satav&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIHCAAQFBCHAjICCAAyBwgAEBQQhwIyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgAEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BQgAELEDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQFBCHAjoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoECAAQClCdAVjZE2D9FGgAcAB4AIAB9ASIAZ4TkgEMMC4xMC4wLjEuMC4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwihsNj047jqAhUizzgGHW10AVQQ4dUDCAc&uact=5 103.65.28.230 (talk) 13:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome. If you believe Wikipedia is wrong, you can edit the page on Rajiv Satav yourself, giving a citation to demonstrate any information that someone else might dispute. Or you can leave a note on the article talk page for another editor to pick up and change (see Talk:Rajiv Satav). If Google is out of date, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it from here. You can report major errors directly to Google via their Feedback button. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Afc decline DollarBoyz

Guidance required to understand the reason given in Submission feedback of Draft:DollarBoyz

My Submission declined on 6 July 2020 by CNMall41 with following Comment:

• Only a few mentions and no significant coverage in reliable sources. Also a very negative press article out there. CNMall41 (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

My references are from established newspapers (list given below). I have seen many wiki articles are using inquirer.com and phillytrib.com in their references.

• inquirer.comThe_Philadelphia_Inquirer,_LLC
• ehgazette.blogs.brynmawr.edu
• phillytrib.comPhiladelphia_Tribune
• temple-news.comThe_Temple_News

Can you please guide me to understand the points of improvement. I am open to add/remove/modify those contents which are not meeting the wiki standards.

Thank you so much. Vsp.manu (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Vsp.manu, Accepted I saw your request. I disagree with the prior reviewer, which is absolutely fine. I chose to submit for re-review on your behalf.

Reviewers are human beings with different opinions. That is quite reasonable. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. I decided to accept yours. Fiddle Faddle 14:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)