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May 31[edit]

Headingley[edit]

In the further reading section, I added a book but I cannot get the bullet in front of the name of the book like the other two books - please help thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You just needed to put an asterisk at the start of the line like the others have. CodeTalker (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The White Armband Day[edit]

It has no mentions of this event/ethnic cleansing happening on May 31 1992. I am urging for your help in remembering the truth of this event not to be forgotten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.223.132.10 (talk) 04:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Wikipedia actually does have an article about this event. It was published under the title, White Handband Day. The article was created via machine translation, so the didn't match what's common in English sources (armband as opposed to handband). To prevent further confusion, I renamed the article to White Armband Day. If you have any further improvements you want to make to that article, feel free to WP:BOLDly edit it directly, or suggest changes on the article talk page. Hope this helps! RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 05:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Content deletion on biography of a living person[edit]

Hi, would it be possible for a more experienced editor to check the recent edits on Kamahl Santamaria? He's been in the NZ media a lot recently with news outlets circulating allegations of sexual harassment. Someone added sourced content on these allegations and they were deleted by a random user whose only contribution to Wiki seems to have been this deletion. The deletion might have been justified--I don't know--but thought it would be good if someone else could have a look at it. Thanks Cameron.coombe (talk) 07:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is more on topic at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Also, this edit is problematic because it comes very close to violating no legal threats.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll head over there Cameron.coombe (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of the article "The" in musical band names[edit]

Hello,

I recently came across the Wikipedia page for "Emo", a style of music: [1], and I noticed in the very first paragraph that the article "the" is not capitalized for the bands "The Promise Ring" and "The Get Up Kids". I have made edits to capitalize the article "the", but it keeps getting reverted by user @Issan Sumisu. I have provided multiple explanations as to why I believe my edit is correct; however, this does not satisfy user @Issan Sumisu. Is it possible to get someone outside the two of us, who could resolve this editing dispute?

My sources for the edits include:

1) The band names were also made as links to their Wikipedia article pages, and thus, are titles of not just the band name, but also their respective Wikipedia article pages. If the band names were not made in to links, this could be analyzed differently.

2) The same Wikipedia page for "Emo" in the subsection "Fashion and subculture" - [2] - provides a list of band names with the article "the" capitalized, such as "The Used", "The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus", and "The All-American Rejects". Therefore, capitalizing the article "the" in the beginning of the "Emo" Wikipedia article provides a manner of consistency.

3) In the Wikipedia "Naming Conventions" page: [3], the article "the" in the band names can definitely fit the category of "definite article", as explained in section "Names of groups, sports teams and companies".

4) The official Twitter page for "The Promise Ring" - [4] - shows in the Twitter page description, that the band also considers the article "the" a definite article, and thus, capitalizes it: "The official twitter feed of the band, The Promise Ring."

Ace theMaster (talk) 09:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC) Ace_theMaster[reply]

Ace theMaster, Issan Sumisu quoted MOS:THEMUSIC, which says
"Mid-sentence, per the MoS main page, the word the should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose, e.g.:
If you disagree I would suggest starting a discussion on the article talk page, rather than explaining your position via edit summaries. TSventon (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello TSventon - I have done as you have suggested and started a discussion on the article talk page. As to your comment about "explaining [my] position via edit summaries", I would think that when one makes edits, it is good practice to provide solid references as to why I was making the edit to improve the article page in its entirety, and that is what I have done. Ace theMaster (talk) 14:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing, referencing the same MOS:THEMUSIC, it also says:
However, the, a, or an should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the title (or subtitle) of an album or other artwork:
Where the article "The" in the artist "The Wiz" is left capitalized. Ace theMaster (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ace theMaster, I meant to suggest that you start a discussion on the article talk page, as you have done, rather than just explaining your position via edit summaries. The optional Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle suggests starting a talk page discussion when you are reverted, rather re-reverting to your version.
By the way, in MOS:THEMUSIC, The Wiz seems to be a musical. TSventon (talk) 15:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
TSventon - Hmm, you are correct. "The Wiz" is a musical. Ace theMaster (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
TSventon - I looked back at the discussion that I started on the Emo talk page, but it has been completely removed by a different user who also reverted my edits on that article page: @Binksternet. I would think that other users who have same opinion as me would benefit from seeing that a discussion was previously started and take note of the actions taken afterward. Therefore, I feel that @Binksternet is starting unjustified pressure to silence me. I would like to properly escalate this issue within the Wikipedia community. Could you provide a recommendation on how I would do so? Ace theMaster (talk) 05:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Binksternet, I suggested that Ace theMaster should start a discussion on the talk page, please could you unrevert their post at Talk:Emo? I think following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution processes about this would waste everybody's time. TSventon (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but such a global enwiki change is better suited to a larger venue. Binksternet (talk) 12:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Binksternet, you could suggest a better venue, the Help desk and a user talk page aren't ideal venues either. TSventon (talk) 12:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo#Fashion_and_subculture
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(definite_or_indefinite_article_at_beginning_of_name)
  4. ^ https://twitter.com/thepromisering

Change style of one user page[edit]

Is it possible to change the style of one user page using CSS and/or JS and make it visible to everyone? And is it possible to import the script/stylesheet/style from external website/source? I'm trying to change the font in my user page's content using Google fonts. Thanks! Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 12:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Super ninja2 First of all, please don't ask questions both here and at the teahouse, it just wastes time because you'll get two sets of responses. You can use a limited subset of CSS in wikitext, see Help:HTML in wikitext and Help:Cascading Style Sheets for the details. You can also have an admin create a sanitised CSS page for you at something like User:Super ninja2/styles.css (normal css pages won't work) then use WP:TemplateStyles to load that onto your user page. The elements you can use when creating css to display to other users are limited to remove most of the stuff that could be potentially dangerous, e.g. you cannot use the url function to load stuff from other sites.
There is no way for users to get other people to load arbitrary javascript for security reasons. The only kinds of javascript that are executed for everyone are the contents of mediawiki:common.js and default gadgets, editing these pages is limited to interface administrators. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Super ninja2 Also, to add onto that answer, under WMF rules even in situations where it's possible, like sitewide mediawiki:common.js and gadgets, you cannot load content from third parties like google without the explicit user consent for privacy reasons. Loading fonts from google sends some of the information about users viewing content to them, such as IP addreses. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add more than 1 image to historical sites[edit]

Hi,

Any tips on how to add more than 1 image to the photos I have been uploading to Vancouver Historical site ? (link below ).

I see some of the historical places have the "more image" link on them ( eg Former Vancouver Law Courts ) , so wondering how to add this feature ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historic_places_in_Vancouver

thanks for any advice !

Mpeel (talk) 18:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, it's done like this: the table on that page includes a field for the Wikidata object corresponding to that location. On the Wikidata page, there's a link to a corresponding category on Commons.
To do this yourself, you'd thus need to:
  1. Find the location on Wikidata, and add the reference to that page, to the table here on Wikipedia (you can look at the Law Courts entry to see how it's done)
  2. Search on Commons to see if there's a category for pictures of that building. If not you'd need to create one. Add your pictures on Commons to this category.
  3. Link to this category on the Wikidata page.
Let me know if you have any problems or further questions. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  18:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mpeel To add a "more images" link to an item on one of those entries there are two things you need to do. Firstly you need to go to our sister project commons (commons:) where you have been uploading the images and you need to create a category for the building. For the vancouver art gallery, for example, the category is c:Category:Vancouver Art Gallery. Next you need to add your images to the correct category by adding a link to the category to the page. To add an image to the Vancouver Art Gallery category, for example, you would add [[Category:Vancouver Art Gallery]]. These categories are typically added at the bottom of the file page. Finally you come back to the English wikipedia and you link the row in the article to the new category you created. If you edit the article you should see a repeating pattern of {{HPC row followed by a load of parameters. Find the row that corresponds with the landmark you want to add a link to then add the following line |commonscat=Vancouver Art Gallery, where you replace the stuff after the equals sign with the name of the category you just created. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussing move to different name after closed move request[edit]

There was recently a discussion on moving Gay pride to LGBT pride. This was closed as not moved. However, several commenters in the discussion supported moving the article to Pride (LGBT) instead. If I wanted to re-open discussion on this option, should I use Move Review, or just open a new move request? ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  18:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can just open a new move request. Move review is for when you believe the close was incorrect. Femke (talk) 18:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move review is for when you want to contest the closure of a move discussion (i.e. you think the outcome of not moved is wrong), if you want to propose moving the article to a different title the thing to do is to open a new requested move discussion. The closure of that previous discussion is awful and confusing though, I don't know why they included a reference to move review there, the outcome is obvious. If they felt so unsure about their close that they felt the need to tell people where to go to contest it they probably shouldn't have closed the discussion in the first place. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Lemma[edit]

The lemma should be Delius (surname) since the page is not a disambiguation page. --158.181.68.50 (talk) 19:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Moved. For future cases, you should use Wikipedia:Requested moves, specifically the section for uncontroversial technical moves. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  19:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! --158.181.68.50 (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Definition[edit]

How do I make a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:7801:A59C:41BE:310E:3642:FD0A (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You start by looking for sources to base the article off of. No sources, no article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing Wikipedia. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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