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Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

In the section towards the end of this page - Newton Park and Beechwood estates - there is a file/photo showing a group of nurses. Please put the dots (...) under the letter c. (circa). - c.1915 I have seen this done on other pages - it is a type of link I think. Thanks 114.76.38.200 (talk) 00:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done. That is accomplished with {{circa}} MB 00:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Request to correct the Thai spelling

Hi, I wish to ask to change/edit the Thai spelling of The Walt Disney in your Thai Wikipedia. https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/เดอะวอลต์ดิสนีย์

The heading เดอะวอลต์ดิสนีย์ is incorrect and should be เดอะ วอลต์ ดิสนีย์ adding spaces.

Thank you, Helen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helenavil (talk • contribs)

@Helenavil: I don't know Thai or the policies of the Thai Wikipedia but you can move (rename) articles there when your account is four days old. See Help:How to move a page or th:วิธีใช้:การย้ายหน้า. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Looks as if thwiki also requires at least 10 contributions, equivalent to our autoconfirmed status. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

No, only four days at thwiki. It's determined by wgAutoConfirmAge and wgAutoConfirmCount in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:54, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: In which case the thwiki page to which you gave the link apparently needs updating. The Google translation of "คุณต้องล็อกอินก่อนและต้องมีบัญชียืนยันอัตโตมัติ (โดยทั่วไปคุณต้องมีบัญชีอายุเกิน 4 วันและแก้ไขอย่างน้อย 10 ครั้ง) จึงสามารถย้ายหน้าได้ หาก" is "You must be logged in and must have an auto-verified account. (You generally need an account over 4 days old and modified at least 10 times) to be able to move the page." It may be clarified at th:วิกิพีเดีย:ระดับการเข้าถึงของผู้ใช้#AUTOC for those who can read Thai. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:48, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the linked page was translated from English and may never have been correct for the Thai Wikipedia. The default in mw:Manual:$wgAutoConfirmCount is 0 edits. I have 0 Thai edits and get a move form at th:Special:MovePage/เดอะวอลต์ดิสนีย์, but don't want to move it without knowing the language. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

wp editors have no rights

Where is the policy or article that explains that wp editors have no rights, including rights or expectations of procedural fairness? It said something about the good of wp outweighing individual expectations of fairness. Thank you, Sandbh (talk) 05:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't know of it and can't imagine it. But I wonder if your memory might have distorted a past reading of Wikipedia:Free speech. -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Sandbh, perhaps you are thinking of some aspects of WP:NOTDEMOCRACY which is policy, or Wikipedia:Wikilawyering, which is a respected essay. I think that the vast majority of administrators try to be fair, but in the end, the encyclopedia is more important than an individual editor's perception of fairness. "Rights" has various meanings and free speech rights in public places are generous in some counties and restricted in other countries. But Wikipedia is not an unrestricted public place. It is a website owned by a private nonprofit organization which has the legal right and the ethical responsibility to implement content management and to block or ban participation by individuals determined to be disruptive for a variety of reasons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

It sounds like the essay Wikipedia:There is no justice. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, that was very helpful. Sandbh (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

HELP

Can you add Nel Luglio 2021, si è ritirata dal Royal Ballet, per studiare alla Stanford University. La sua performance finale è stata in After the Rain di Christopher Wheeldon. at the ITALIAN page of the ballerina 'Beatriz Stix-Brunell' - i did add it.... and then they deleted it.. and 2 or 3 times!!!! link: https://www.dancemagazine.com/beatriz-stix-brunell-2653621530.html + and in the beginning where there is name etc.. - The last thing you have to add is: Si è ritirata nel 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.170.68.233 (talk)

Please ask over at the Italian Wikipedia's help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Edited my first draft, and answered all the comments. keep the comments?

Hello again, i edited my first draft, there were some comments regarding the sources and external links which i fixed all of them. Now i want to send my article for review, but i don't know what to do with the comments and suggestions, should i delete them from article or keep them?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Amirabbasj (talk • contribs)

@Amirabbasj: You can (and should) leave the comments there. Whoever will review this next will find and see them in the page hsitory anyway, so there is no need to hide them. The next reviewer will likely want to have a look at them. However, please re-review Wikipedia:Reliable sources and in particular § User-generated content as from a quick view not much of the sources used in the current draft are reliable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Amirabbasj: keep the comments and respond to each of them. A simple "done" for a simple suggested change, or a larger response if it's complicated. This lets later reviewers know you are reading and reacting to comments. -Arch dude (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Amirabbasj, when a draft is finally accepted as an article, all previous comments for improving the draft and "decline" notices, if properly formatted, are automatically deleted. So the resulting article won't be burdened by them. This is an additional reason not to worry about them in the short/medium term. (Templates that are used on articles as well as drafts will not be automatically removed; but if these are to be removed, they should normally be removed by somebody other than the primary writer(s) of the draft/article.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

On user page content with personal identifying info

Hi, wanted to check if there are any additional guidelines on the presence of personal details (email, phone, address) on user pages, other than mentioned under Wikipedia:User pages § Personal and privacy breaching material or WP:DOX? I keep monitoring new accounts, of late there are a lot of such user pages being created. Most don't violate CSD U5, and moreover it's almost impossible to know if it's being created by others for harrasment/doxing. Any direction on how this is usually handled is appreciated. MT Train^Talk 12:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

If it's being created by others for harassment, the page can be deleted as a hoax and the user account blocked as an impersonation. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I get it, but there's no way to verify if the account/page is created by themselves. An example here that is kind of difficult to judge. MT Train^Talk 14:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

If we can't verify that the account/page is created by the person named, that's ripe for an impersonation block. Then it's up to the account to demonstrate identity. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I would say that that is a straight WP:U5, Mark the train. --ColinFine (talk) 14:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

- and it's gone. --ColinFine (talk) 14:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Help indenting Gallery in Talk replies

I need some help with setting the correct indentation for {{Gallery}} here: [1]. I tried a few things but the rendering is not good. Could someone please recommend a solution? I also permit others to directly change my comment fixing the indentation. Thanks! — DaxServer (talk to me) 13:32, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Help with dispute resolution

An editor has edited our organization's page (Greenwich Village Society for Historic Preservation) in a manner that is both highly inaccurate and biased. I tried editing it for a more neutral point of view but the editor rejected my changes because I work for the organization, something I've been quite open about in my discussions. I thoroughly detailed the inaccuracies, biases, and incorrect use of references on the edits on the Talk page, and made suggestions that tried to reflect a neutral point of view yet include some comments from the editor, but the editor still refuses to make any changes. I did include a request for edit, but I'm not sure if that's moving through the resolution system (the requested edits number has not changed since I posted in Talk).

I'm not sure how to go about the next steps, or if I should just wait. I do know, however, that the editor's changes to characterize our preservation nonprofit as primarily anti-housing and anti-development are harmful, and I would hope to get this resolved as soon as possible. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DVillageP11 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@DVillageP11: Hi there! Since you are a paid employee of the organization, you must follow the Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and disclose your conflict of interest on your talk page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@DVillageP11:, some more advice:

@GoingBatty: has disclosed your conflict of interest on the article talk page

Read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution to understand how disputes are handled on Wikipedia

You probably need to get consensus for the changes before an edit request can be processed. Template:Request edit/Instructions#For reviewers tells reviewers not to action "controversial requests without clear consensus".

When requesting edits, follow the instructions at Template:Request edit#How to use, e.g. use the format

• Specific text to be added or removed: ADD TEXT HERE
• Reason for the change: ADD TEXT HERE
• References supporting change: ADD URL AT LEAST

Edit requests are handled by volunteers, not necessarily in date order, so it may be better to request changes in smaller batches. If you want to withdraw your changes, you can strike the old text using <s>...</s>. Do not delete your posts as they have already been replied to. TSventon (talk) 12:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from 109.249.184.207

I have noticed some vandalism at PAGENAME. Namely, BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE VANDALISM HERE. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, 109.249.184.207 (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC) Lee Stephen hayes

Please state the name of the article and explain what vandalism you have seen. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

PRIVO

My name is Denise Tayloe and I am the co-founder and CEO of Privacy Vaults Online, Inc. (dba PRIVO). For 10+ years we had a page on Wikipedia. We tried very hard to follow the rules. We were linked originally from the Wikipedia page on The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) where we have been an authorized safe harbor by the Federal Trade Commission since 2004. Although there was a time that our name was in "red" on the COPPA page we took effort to again follow the rules and ensure that we were not misrepresenting to the community what we do and don't do. We ensured it was not an advert. Recently, i.e. in the last 6 months, we were deleted from the face of Wikipedia. We no longer exist at all. I have spent 20 years supporting child privacy and have many brand name customers who use my company to help ensure child privacy on their apps, sites and connected toys. Please can you help me to re-establish our presence or explain why we are not welcome to the community. I don't understand what we could have done wrong or why someone would want us expunged from the Wikipedia community. All of my competitors are still present. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Denise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.184.82.58 (talk • contribs)

PRIVO was deleted 4 June 2021 by User:Jimfbleak under our speedy deletion code G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Your organization did not "have a page". There was a Wikipedia article about your organization. The organization has no special rights to any article about it. That competitors have articles does not mean that your organization gets one too; see other stuff exists. Wikipedia is not a directory of organizations where merely existing merits an organization's inclusion. A Wikipedia article about an organization should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Typically, articles are written by independent editors and not representatives of the topic. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Allow me to be blunt. Your presence is not our concern. That being said, this is not a matter of "we don't like you, go away"; the issue is that over the past several years standards across Wikipedia have been tightening, and what might not have been seen as promotional back in, say, 2014 may be seen in a different light today. This is not an indictment of your company; it's an indictment of how the article on said company was written. No more and no less. I advise reading WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 17:27, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm the WEB DEVELOPER FOR KAYLAPERKINS.COM

Hello,

Kayla Michelle Perkins and HER MOTHER Michelle Perkins ASKED ME to create her WIKI PAGE.

Please put it back.

I'm Peter Borreggine and the web developer peter at webparity dot net

The exact title of the page was and still should be: Kayla_Perkins

This is NOT a violation of copyright since I CREATED her website and creating a NEW ONE on WIX.

I currently HOST her site on IONOS.com on my dedicated server.

Thank you

Peter Borreggine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayla Perkins (talk • contribs) 21:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

• Note: user blocked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

non-Wikipedia question

Can you work while you’re on disability

This help desk is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. We can't help with other topics. You will need to check with whoever administers your disability to see what the rules are. RudolfRed (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC)