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Wikipedia thanks feature

Wikipedia has this nice thanks feature which allows editors to send thanks to each other without actually making a Wikipedia edit. I have both sent thanks and received them. However, once I get a notice about receiving thanks and viewing it, the notice vanishes. I have no way of keeping a record of whom I have thanked or who has thanked me. Is this by design, or is there some way to do this? JIP | Talk 01:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello JIP. Please read Help:Notifications/Thanks, which explains the function, including the Thanks log. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:23, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@JIP: from and to. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks (pun intended), I see how the log works now. JIP | Talk 01:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW, does anyone know how to form the "internal link" version of the "to" log (i.e. [[Special:Log/thanks/what?]])? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: not possible yet. Wikipedia currently has no way of linking to an internal page with ? in them, with the exceptions at Special:Redirect. This is unfortunally none of them. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil: Note there are some of the Special: pages that do support being called as internal wikilinks, including the "from" case I gave above, in which Special:Log/thanks/JIP is the equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=thanks&user=JIP . There doesn't seem to be a way, though, of adding the page parm to get the equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=thanks&page=User:JIP . Other examples of these are Special:Permalink/988975233, Special:Diff/988974179/988975233, Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:Help desk, etc. I don't think the parms supported by these are documented, except maybe in the code itself. Can someone point me to the code for Special:Log? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

It looks like there is some documentation on the Special pages listed at mw:Help:Special pages and maybe others that aren't in that list, like mw:Help:Log. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I must have been unconcentrated, this particular shortcut (Linking with the to param) is afaik impossible without using full urls. 11:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Merle Robbins

Can someone fix Merle Robbins? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Someone had vandalised it. I also removed irrelevant text at the bottom of the article. JIP | Talk 01:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

How To Edit A Logo On Page Infobox

Good day,

I hope this mail finds you well.

I work in the Bank Windhoek Marketing and Corporate Communications Department and would like to update the logo on our page to our latest logo, however don't know how to upload and change it in the infobox, could you please assist by providing guidance on how to do this?

The page I am referring to is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Windhoek

Warm regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by BWMCCS (talk • contribs) 05:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Looks like this has already been done. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Providing an English (or any other) language version of an article that I already wrote on German Wikipedia

Hello, I'm trying to provide an English version of an article I wrote in German, without wanting to replace the German one... I also plan to provide a Polish version.

The article concerned is about Jan Jaroslawski

Thanks for help — Preceding unsigned comment added by R. Montheureux (talk • contribs) 07:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

If there’s good sourcing demonstrating notability, you’re welcome to try to start the article. Please also read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@R. Montheureux: To explain a little more in-depth as to what Timtempleton is talking about, English Wikipedia's standards are not the same as German Wikipedia (e.g., reference policy). Just be aware that creating an article about Jaroslawski here isn't as easy as a direct copypaste and translation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

R. Montheureux, Translation is also relevant. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

False information

Dear Wikipedia There is an article published known as delhi riots 2020 which shows false information about the recent riots happening , which can cause communal pressure so please remove the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:10:204A:803:A8B7:1A98:DA8C (talk) 09:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Any subject that is notable by Wikipedia's definition can and should have an article. "Communal pressure" is not a consideration. Delhi riots 2020 meets our criteria (WP:N) so we will not delete it. If the article contains any asssertion that is not supported by a cited reliable source, then that assertion should be removed. If an assertion is supported by a reliable source, it will not be removed, but if you have a different source that contradicts the assertion, then the fact taht the assertion is disputed should be added to the article. You should discuss this at Talk:Delhi riots 2020. -Arch dude (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

The page appears to be at 2020 Delhi riots and the related talk page, at Talk:2020 Delhi riots. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities

The history of this page shows me making an edit on the page re-instating a large amount of text which had properly been deleted or archived. I didnt make this edit,or at least didn't intend to although I did intend to make an edit. Can anybody say what happened? I have been having problems with my internet connection this morning. Is this connected with the edit? My apologies to the people who have altered it back and to any body else whose edits have been lost. I use the visual editor on a PC.Spinney Hill (talk) 11:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Spinney Hill: My guess is that you either started editing the page several hours earlier, before Scsbot archived November 8 at Special:Diff/988937476 at 2020-11-16T03:09:12Z, and then eventually saved it at Special:Diff/988981288 at 2020-11-16T10:43:48Z, missing the ec warning. Or you might have been looking at the older rev of the article and edited it, missing the warnings about that. Or maybe you were editing the page before Scsbot, tried to save, and the save got hung up for several hours, finally posting at 10:43Z. The 03:09Z edit sumary does not include the "reverted" tag, so it probably wasn't an accidental "undo". Your edit summary was blank (unusually), so maybe it was some other kind of mis-click(s). I'd say keep an eye on your contribs for a while to see if it happens again. Otherwise, "stuff happens". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I think it was editing an old version Spinney Hill (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

New article

Hi, my draft for a new biography page was rejected due to "trivial or non-independent" sources, though it already included independent media. Wikipedia already has pages in French and German on the subject. I have since added the New York Times, Washington Post and Deutsche Welle as sources. Do you think this will make it strong enough for reconsideration? The person concerned did pay me to draft the page some time ago and I included this declaration with the subsmission. Best wishes, KRL219 (talk) 11:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

KRL219 That other language versions of Wikipedia have articles on this topic(which I assume is Draft:Jean-Baptiste de Franssu) does not necessarily mean there can be one here too, as each version of Wikipedia is its own project with its own editors and policies. Here, an article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject. That does not include press release or routine announcements. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

changes to wikipedia Abakuá page for Haitian religion

Hello, I am a scholar of Haitian Vodou and recently made an edit on a wikipedia page for Abakuá to correct something that was listed incorrectly about Haitian religion. I just received this message: "Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions--specifically this edit to Ababkuá--because it did not appear constructive."

Why was my change reverted? And how do I make this edit as a scholar of Haitian Vodou who made an edit about a Haitian Vodou reference? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/146.115.92.231

Hello, IP user. There were two problems with your edit. First, it did not cite a published source; secondly, it broke a link, to Haitian Vodou Culture Language. That article, in fact, gives "Langay" and "Langaj" as alternatives, but there isn't currently an article called Langaj. It is possible that there should be a redirect from Langaj, or that that article should be moved to have Langaj as its title (though the two references both seem to give the longer phrase). But in any case, if an edit of yours is reverted, the thing to do is to open a discussion on the article's talk page: that is how the collaboration works on Wikipedia. Please see BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 13:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft Article Review

Hi! i had an article that apparently didn't have enough citations moved to the draftspace. I have since worked on it and added more references. However, this time I have not had any contact regarding it, and it has been a month. I also saw that someone edited the draft 10 days ago. Was just looking to speak to someone about it and see where I might be going wrong. Thanks!

Draft: Morressier— Preceding unsigned comment added by Geonomes.germany (talk • contribs)

Has bee reviewed today morning. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

You say it "didn't have enough citations". I think that's a misunderstanding. The problem was, and is, that the citations aren't good enough. Four good citations is enough. Adding more citations of even lower quality than those you have already doesn't help; indeed, it is likely to deter reviewers from considering your draft. Maproom (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

consulting help posting page

I've drafted a page, but can I get consulting help in posting it?

I received a message suggesting I post a page on myself since I appear on the list of US Supreme Court law clerks. I drafted the following page in the Sandbox but when I preview it it all runs together. It has now disappeared from the Sandbox. My newly created account and the page under it are under the name R George Crawford, or George Crawford. I would like to get consulting help posting it.

Here's the page:

Draft content

Draft for Wikipedia George Crawford has worked in government as a law clerk to Justice Byron White and on the White House Staff; in academia as a Consulting Professor at Stanford Law School, President of the Harvard Law Review, and writing books and articles; in law practice as a partner at JonesDay; in finance in connection with several investment management businesses; and as a producer and director of documentary films and related publications, in conjunction with George's wife Holly, an artist and art critic who taught at UCLA and runs AC Institute, a nonprofit. Selected publications: Derivatives for Decision Makers: Strategic Management Issues, George Crawford and Bidyut Sen (John Wiley 1996) A Fiduciary Duty to Use Derivatives? George Crawford, Stanford Journal of Law Business & Finance, Spring 1995; reprinted in Smithson, Managing Financial Risk 637 (McGraw-Hill 1998) Investing Under Inflation Risk, George Crawford, Jim Kyung-Soo Liew, and Andrew Marks: The Journal of Portfolio Management, Spring 2013 Spot Commodities as Inflation Protection, George Crawford, Jim Kyung-Soo Liew, and Andrew Marks: The Journal of Wealth Management, Winter 2013 Selected documentaries dealing with states of mind: coproductions with French Connection Films; bilingual - The Healing Within - Living & Breathing - The Quest for the Perfect Athlete associate producer: Bedlam, an intimate journey into America's mental health crisis (Sundance)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RGeorgeCrawford (talk • contribs)

@RGeorgeCrawford: I am afraid that you have selected to do one of the absolute hardest tasks as a new user: creating an article about yourself. While not forbidden, autobiographys are strongely discouraged. Please be advised that a Wikipedia article is not nessesarely desireable. You can try to follow this guide when trying to create your article.

@GeorgeCrawford: Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Correction in statistics

Under the head List of India Test Captains the following anomaly is observed

Against Sourav Ganguly- for year 2003-04 Pakistan series the following is mentioned Played- 3 Won-2 Lost-1

However he did not play in 2 tests and played only 1 (the last )test. So the figures must be corrected as Played-1 Won-0 Lost-1

In the first 2 test, Rahul Dravid captained India and both tests were won by India The above has been correctly mentioned against Rahul DRavid

Sundaresan Suresh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durgapur Suresh Iyer (talk • contribs)

Article in question seems to be List of India national cricket captains#Test match captains. Indian cricket team in Pakistan in 2003–04 does say that Ganguly captained one Test match, and Rahul Dravid captained the other two. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing subject

Hello

Please will you organise an entry for https://www.clamxav.com/about-us/

It is NOT the same as Clamav

2A00:23C7:E204:D200:D83D:3E24:B67F:C827 (talk) 14:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Nobody "organises an entry": Wikipedia is created by volunteers - like you and me - who choose to contribute to the encyclopaedia. If you want us to have an article about Clamxav, really you have two choices: either write it yourself, or persuade somebody to write it. (There is a third option, which I really wouldn't advise: there are scam artists out their who will offer their services writing articles about people for money. Whatever they may say, they cannot guarantee that an article will be accepted, or that it will be acceptable to the subject).

Neither is easy. Writing it yourself is the most effective, but this is the hardest task there is for a new editor. I suggest that you 1) create an account; 2) take The Wikipedia Adventure to learn how to edit.3) Spend a few months adding value to Wikipedia by improving some of our six million articles. 4) When you think you are ready to try it, read your first article and create a draft.

Do remember that a Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of the subject, does not belong to the subject, and will not necessarily say what the subject wants it to say. See PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome for experts

I'm not having much success finding a guide page or template (I don't remember which) that welcomes and advises new subject expert editors. I'm pretty sure it exists but it's hiding from me. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Dodger67, I'm not sure it "welcomes", but Wikipedia:Expert editors exists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Gråbergs Gråa Sång it was "hiding in plain sight" - the links listed at WP:Expert_editors#Advice for new expert editors. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Ot perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/List of reviewers by subject is what you are after? Eagleash (talk) 16:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks but that's not it. I'm trying to advise a newbie editor who happens to be an expert (has a Ph.D.) in a particular subject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Tell them that English Wikipedia is considerably worse than any SCR (UK: Senior Common Room). Your so-called Ph.D. will have to start at the very bottom like everyone else, and work their way up. English WP is merciless and unforgiving. There are no short cuts. Even Albert Einstein would have a hard time here. MinorProphet (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion

Good morning, I have been tasked to update our information on our page could please assist me with it

V/R

Maharaj, Andy SFC, USA— Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.239.218.36 (talk)

First, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on formal disclosures you are required to make. The link you posted went to a nonexistent article, is it under another title? If it is, you may make a formal edit request on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. If possible, information should be sourced to independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Andy, and Welcome to Wikipedia. First of all, before editing any further, please review WP:PAID. Second, it's not "your" page, but Wikipedia's page about 261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion. Since the article does not currently exist, it would need to be created from scratch. There is a guide available at Help:Your first article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Account

Good Day,

I am a business owner and a 2 or more years ago i requested my team activate a wikipedia account for me in my name. Today we started to set up an account forgetting that one was set up and we cant as tiger name has been used. what do we do and how can you assist please on this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.58.242.184 (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

You can create a new name for yourself, but remember that accounts cannot be shared. You can't create an account for your company or your team, it must be for one person only. RudolfRed (talk) 18:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Please see WP:COI, re conflicts of interest. We highly recommend you do not create an article about your own company. Second, Wikipedia is not a business directory. Articles are not "accounts". You do not own or control any article, even if it is about you or your company. Assuming you comply with WP:PAID and make the article WP:Neutral, an article can be created with a disambiguation modifier - for example, see Tiger_(disambiguation)#Businesses and organisations. Your have to assure that your company is notable under our guidelines. You will need to cite to reliable sources to prove that it is notable. Just proving that a company exists is insufficient. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 18:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Protected Content

 Courtesy link: Diana, Princess of Wales

Hi

A few of us have noticed some content on the page for Diana, Princess of Wales.

The following statement implies bias by the choice of phrasing:

"Five years into the marriage, the couple's incompatibility and age difference of almost 13 years became visible and damaging.[56] Charles resumed his relationship with his former girlfriend Camilla Parker Bowles, and Diana later began an affair with Major James Hewitt, the family's former riding instructor."

Charles' affair is referred to simply as a relationship. Diana's affair is not. This implies a negative bias towards Diana's character but Charles has been represented differently. Please amend this to reflect the statements fact equal to both parties.

Many thanks

Please discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion started by me. Talk:Diana, Princess of Wales#Separation versus affair - starting discussion for other editor (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

AfD

 Courtesy link: Talk:Cathedral High School (New Ulm, Minnesota)

Hi, I'm new to the AfD process, I've mainly been working on vandalism in the Recent changes section and adding information to articles.

I recently proposed an AfD, but I've run into some problems.

• The Wikipedia AfD page says that a section for discussion of the AfD is automatically made and a link posted at the top of the notice. I used Twinkle to generate my AfD and I couldn't see a discussion link.

• I believe that my arguments for the AfD were right, but an unregistered (IP) user reverted my AfD notice edit without engaging in a discussion. They just replied with 2 arguments that I would like to question further but I don't believe that their Talk page would be appropriate.

• AfDs cannot be made on a page again after the notice has been deleted as per policy. As the user has reverted my notice without even engaging in a discussion, would this mean that I can't nominate the AfD again even if I would like to hear from others? WP:CLOSEAFD states that the discussion should normally be allowed to run for 7 full days, and this has not been the case.

• WP:CLOSEAFD states that usually admins/trusted editors/the nominator should close an AfD. This directly goes against the AfD notice which states "You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason"

Cheers Hunter 20:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Just warned the IP user for removing AFD notices from articles without engaging in the discussion Pahunkat (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I think you are getting WP:CSD and/or WP:PROD and WP:AFD confused. CSD notices can be removed by anyone except the creator. PRODs can be removed by anyone. AFDs cannot be removed by anyone (unless the discussion is closed). A PROD is just a proposed deletion of non-controversial material. A CSD is a speedy admin deletion of pages which fall within defined categories. An AfD is a community discussion around whether an article should be deleted. Can you please indicate which page you are speaking of? ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 20:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I have just realised I selected the wrong option on Twinkle. For some reason XFD is for an AfD template, so I got a bit confused. Thanks for the help! Hunter 23:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If you're talking about your edits at Cathedral High School (New Ulm, Minnesota), you actually didn't start an AFD, but a completely different deletion procedure known as proposed deletion. This is the level of deletion between speedy deletion (completely uncontroversial) and WP:AFD (needs discussion to delete). Anyone can contest a PROD, but you can still list it for AFD. You should follow the directions at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion to list it for AFD. bibliomaniac15 20:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm just making my AfD proposal now. Hunter 23:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

My bad, it's a PROD. If you want to make an AFD discussion I think it's the XFD tab on Twinkle. Pahunkat (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Seems like I'd accidentally pressed the option above. I'll be adding an AfD template now.Hunter 23:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Holidays

How do I participate in the community project?MargeIn (talk) 20:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to help! Go to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Holidays. There is a note at the top there. To get started, post a note on the talk page, check out the todo list, and add your name to the participant list. Happy editing! RudolfRed (talk) 21:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@MargeIn: adding missing ping! RudolfRed (talk) 21:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)