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Find edited article[edit]

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– By John of Reading. Lourdes

how to find previous edited article in wikipedia by me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velu66 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Velu66: When you are logged in, you will see a "Contributions" link at the top right of every page. Click that to review your past edits. This year you have edited two articles, Walayar and S. P. Velumani. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bishnupriya Manipuri not cast names in India[edit]

Hello Sir,

Enclosed a Screen shot for from Census Dept Govt. of India.

Bishnupriya Manipuri not cast names in India is a False you can check this link http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/statement9.aspx Is Cast BISHNUPURIYA avail in India. So, Please delete the Name Bishnupriya Manipuri / Bishnupriya Manipuri Language link from Wikipedia.

i hope you are following India Govt. Legal side and delete this link Bishnupriya Manipuri , Bishnupriya and bishnupriya Manipuri people from wikipedia

Thanks.

Anup Sinha

Dated: 04th July, 2016. (Bishnupuriya Language Development Organisation) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bishnupuriya (talk • contribs) 03:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what this is about. But if you have a problem with something that's in Wikipedia, you can change it yourself. Just click on the "edit" button and change the incorrect information. You can explain your edit on the article's talk page. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@NinjaRobotPirate: It's about the validity of the language name, Bishnupuriya vs. Bishnupriya Manipuri.
User:Bishnupuriya seems to promote the former as the only valid whilst Wikipedia uses the latter. I personally know nothing about the language (languages?) disputed and the name history, so I can at most gather some information from the Web (as I did below), but will not stand on either side. --CiaPan (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In future please post just the web address of the page that you are referring to, rather than making a screenshot and uploading it. I have asked for the image to be deleted from Wikimedia Commons, since that project does not accept any copyrighted material. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:40, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Article titles describes the principles, how Wikipedia editors choose an article title (or a specific spelling, if there are several variants), if you want to read up a bit more on the topic. But please post article-related concerns on the article's talkpage (probably Talk:Bishnupriya Manipuri language in this case), so other interested editors can look into it and join the discussion. GermanJoe (talk) 05:52, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's false, the name 'Bishnupriya Manipuri' actually appears in censusindia.gov.in.
The Statement 9 'Family-wise grouping of the 122 Scheduled and Non-Scheduled Languages' of the 2001 census lists Bishnupuriya as one of non-scheduled languages in the Indo-Aryan subgroup of the Indo-European group and does not mention Bishnupriya.
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/statement9.aspx
However, Statement 1 'Abstract of speakers’ strength of languages and mother tongues' of the census in its Part B 'Languages not specified in the Eighth Schedule (Non-Scheduled Languages)' shows the language Bishnupuriya with 77,545 speakers, 72,899 of which declared Bishnupriya Manipuri as their mother tongue.
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/Census_Data_Online/Language/Statement1.aspx
Which IMHO confirms the 'Bishnupriya Manipuri' is a correct language name. If still in doubt, compare the list (not just number!) of documents Google finds for 'Bishnupriya site:gov.in' and 'Bishnupuriya site:gov.in'. --CiaPan (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Creating articles[edit]

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– Lourdes

Why only registered users can create new pages (Log in or crratt an account)? --81.23.24.139 (talk) 08:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In short, to prevent vandalism. We have lots of vandalism from unregistered users. However, unregistered users can submit their draft to AFC project and get their article on mainspace. --Fuortu (talk) 08:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's also requested articles if you'd like to suggest an article for someone else to create. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adding titles[edit]

I'm editing the page Ariana Grande and they're reverting my edits even though I'm adding good information such as 'she's a songwriter' etc. Why is it being removed when all of the things I'm adding are true? --DangerousWomanAri (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DangerousWomanAri. Several people have explained this on your talk page. I get that you are frustrated that Wikipedia plays by its own rules and not yours, but that is the case. Ariana Grande is not "your page", it is Wikipedia's article about you, and you are strongly discouraged from editing it because of your Conflict of interest - read that link, and also WP:AUTOPROB for how you are advised to proceed if there are things in the article that you think are unsatisfactory. --ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you stop calling me out and saying things that are SO unrelated to my question? I asked why is it being removed. I never said the page is mine, I never have stated that I want things my way, I am not frustrated. You're all taking it that way. The only thing making me frustrated is the fact that I'm not doing anything but trying to edit something and everyone is saying my EDITING is wrong without giving me an explanation. Why are my edits being reverted? I keep adding them because I don't see or understand what's wrong with them. --DangerousWomanAri (talk) 11:08, 4

DangerousWomanAri. Very quickly, your edits have been removed as they do not cite a reliable source (which is essential for all biographical articles) or in some cases have been considered "fan" type of information and therefore not part of Wikipedia. It is noted that you have begun a discussion at the talk-page and you should continue with that. Your edits have been removed by some very experienced editors and you should not re-insert them without discussing first. To do so would be considered edit-warring and if you continue might get you blocked from editing. Some leeway has seemingly already been given in that respect as you seem quite new to Wiki, but please take note of what the other editors are saying to you. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DangerousWomanAri, please read WP:Verifiability, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV before continuing to edit on Wikipedia. Also read Citing to know how to support any statement that you add within any article with reliable sources. Does this help? Do not hesitate to ask for more help here. If there is any statement that you wish added to any article, and if you are unsure how to add it (or if your addition is getting reverted repeatedly), ask for help on the talk page of the relevant article (which I see you have done). Lourdes 12:50, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lupton family[edit]

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– Lourdes

Please place the accent over the word "nee" in citation number 122 on this page Thanks 11:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 11:29, 4 July 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

As explained to you at User talk:Srbernadette#née (and e acute). --David Biddulph (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lupton family[edit]

Please check ref 123. It is a book and I do not think I got it right. Please get it right for a book citation. Thanking you in advance.101.182.117.21 (talk) 12:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping as usual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.117.21 (talk) 12:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

None of us learn by letting others fix our errors. So I will not fix yours. I will however explain what you have done wrong.

Here is the template you wrote:

{{cite web|last1=Gilbert|first1=Martin|title=Winston Churchill - the Wilderness Years:|url=https://books.google.com.au/books?id=u98BAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=private+secretary+winston+churchill+bullock+christopher+1919&source=bl&ots=O2ENAaZnJe&sig=v8GK13lLhVl9WienXHUiWGETgB8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6qf7k09nNAhUGEpQKHSkyBukQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=private%20secretary%20winston%20churchill%20bullock%20christopher%201919&f=false|publisher=Tauris Parke Paperbacks, 18 Dec. 2011 (page 59)|accessdate=4 July 2016}}

You said in your posting that you are citing a book. Why, then, did you use the {{cite web}} template? Why did you include a colon at the end of the title? Why did you include extraneous stuff in |publisher=? You correctly included the publisher, but then you included the date (not surprisingly the date belongs in |date=), and the page number (which, also not surprisingly, belongs in |page=). Because this is a book, |access-date= is superfluous. Why is it that you cannot learn this?

The correct template should look something like this one:

{{cite book |last1=Gilbert |first1=Martin |title=Winston Churchill – the Wilderness Years |url=https://books.google.com.au/books?id=u98BAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA59 |publisher=Tauris Parke Paperbacks |date=18 Dec 2011 |page=59}}

Gilbert, Martin (18 Dec 2011). Winston Churchill – the Wilderness Years. Tauris Parke Paperbacks. p. 59.

Now that I've written it, feel free to take this one and fix the article.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sudan[edit]

Wikipedia has an article about "Democratic Republic of the Sudan" (History of Sudan (1969–85)), and one about present day Sudan (After South Sudan gained independence). Shouldn't there also be an article about the period in between (Unified Sudan, before South Sudan gained independence) Similar to 'Netherlands Antilles', 'Serbia and Montenegro', etc. KobiNew (talk) 12:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, KobiNew. Does not History of Sudan (1986–present) meet your requirement? It doesn' seem to go beyond the creation of South Sudan. If not, please improve that article by adding whatever (well-sourced) material you feel is appropriate. If you think there is a case for a separate article in between, you are welcome to try writing it: I strongly advise you to start by reading Your first article, and then using the article wizard to create a draft that you can work on. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I guess what I am missing is the box like in the following page on the right, that you can see which entity came before and which came after, and the period of years the entity in the article existed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_and_Montenegro

KobiNew (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think History of Sudan (1986–present) and Second Sudanese Civil War might cover the part of the Sudan history you want. Please also see the main article History of Sudan – it contains an outline of the history together with links to more detailed articles about specific periods. Possibly the links in {{History of Sudan}} (an infobox included in the page) might be helpful, too. See also History of South Sudan. --CiaPan (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Inviting members to join a discussion[edit]

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– Lourdes

What is the best way to invite other members to join a discussion on a talk page? Is there any templates I can use? If yes, where I can find them? Dreamsarenotreal (talk) 15:11, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If other users have this page on their watchlist, people will automatically see the "change" you made. If they want to respond, they will. I have noticed myself that not all pages are under close observation so, if nothing happens within, say, 2 days you can always ask the question again at the Reference desk or at Wikipedia:Questions. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 15:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dreamsarenotreal: It depends on the page and the discussion. As said above, in some cases, one can expect that interested people will watch the page. If you intend to notify one or a few particular editors whose username you know, use WP:PING (as I just did at the start of my reply). If you want to bring more eyes because none answered on the talk page, you could try dropping a note for the relevant WikiProject. Finally, there is the WP:RFC process but that is supposed to be an escalation step to resolve a dispute. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dreamsarenotreal:. What you want was there in the Messagedeliverybot. I guess the bot is inactive now. You can use Tigraan's advice. But if you'd like to invite each user separately by leaving a standard message on their talk page, you can create your own template and substitute it on the talk pages of people whom you wish to be invited. Basically, create a page in your user space with the invite formatted out. Then substitute the page on every user's talk page. Help:Substitution will give you an idea of how to substitute pages. Lourdes 16:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dreamsarenotreal: If you are looking for something simple, {{subst:Please see}} may do. Give Wikipedia:Canvassing a read if you haven't already. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:09, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's such a neat method. Thanks Sam. Lourdes 16:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all. WP:PING and {{subst:Please see}} are useful features I didn't know about. Dreamsarenotreal (talk) 16:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain Home Listing is incorrectly titled[edit]

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– ...and notified poster about not using Wikipedia for advertising. Lourdes

We are co-owners of Mountain Home, an historic property near Front Royal, Virginia. We operate a Bed and Breakfast onsite. Wikipedia incorrectly lists the property as "Mountain House". Because our property is incorrectly listed, it does not show up on the search results for "Mountain Home", making it difficult for guests and prospective guests to find information in Wikipedia about the property. This is damaging our business and creating confusion.

Check the third reference included in the Wikipedia listing of "Mountain House". It is a link to the National Register of Historic Places Registration Form, which clearly indicates the name of the property is "Mountain Home". Note on the Registration Form, the street address is 3471 Remount Road, just as it is listed in Wikipedia.

Additional References:

Google search "mountain home in front royal" to find: Facebook listing: https://www.facebook.com/mountainhomeinfrontroyal/ AirBnB listing: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/2943135 TripAdvisor listing: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g57755-d7309364-Reviews-Mountain_Home_Bed_Breakfast-Front_Royal_Virginia.html Yelp Listing: http://www.yelp.com/biz/mountain-home-front-royal Virginia Department of Historic Resources listing: http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Warren/093-0009_Mt_Home_NR_Final_2007.pdf

Scott and Lisa Jenkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.153.23.236 (talk) 16:35, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Scott and Lisa. While I have fixed the issue based on government citations provided, you need to read our policy on advertising, and that is that Wikipedia cannot be used for advertising your business. The fact that I have changed your property's name has nothing to do with supporting your advertising efforts, but more to do with verifiability of factual information. So please note, while you can drop in here at the Help Desk for any kind of help, please desist from using Wikipedia for advertising. Thanks. Lourdes 16:49, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input[edit]

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– Lourdes

Hello, the page I was created was deleted immediately and I didn't have an opportunity to contest. It claims that I stole/plagerized from a website, but I am the owner of that website and have the rights to use the content. I would be happy to donate that content. How can I do so? thanks Beatriz Amendola — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dramendola (talk • contribs) 17:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Beatriz, please read WP:COI, a Wikipedia guideline which urges you not to create articles on yourself. Wikipedia follows certain notability guidelines to assess whether biographies can be included on Wikipedia. You can request an article on yourself at the requested articles desk by following the appropriate procedures listed on that page and allow other editors to assess whether your details are notable or not. For donating copyrighted material that you own to Wikipedia, follow the procedure listed at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Don't hesitate to ask for any other assistance here. Lourdes 17:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Beatriz, just so you know, if you want donate material on your website for use on Wikipedia, it needs to be available for anyone to use for any purpose, within the terms of the CC BY-SA license. — crh ₂₃ (Talk) 18:23, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback indicator on current events edits[edit]

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– Lourdes

Why are my "current events" edits designated with these alerts,

[rollback (AGF)] || [rollback] || [rollback (VANDAL)],

which apparently delay display of the info? From what I can see, the alerts go away after (time? review? or?) and then the item becomes visible. A recent change that doesn't make sense to me, especially given my "current events portal" edit history. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 22:27, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not delays in the edits going into affect. Those are commands to undo the edit with different messages. Rollback AGF but the edit message will indicate you believe the edit was intended to be helpful but for some reason should be removed, Rollback vandal indicates it appears to you the edit was intended as vandalism in the Wikipedia sense. RJFJR (talk) 22:32, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is because you are using Twinkle. The buttons you see are shortcuts to undo edits with various behaviours - they don't affect anything else. — crh ₂₃ (Talk) 22:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Had not realized what would happen when I turned Twinkle on. A self-created problem. Need to read Twinkle page before considering turning it back on. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 03:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]