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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 21:15, 10 February 2009 [1].

List of ECW Tag Team Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): TRUCO

I am nominating this list for FLC because I believe it meets the FL criteria, and is modeled after the List of WCW World Tag Team Champions FL. Any concerns will be addressed, co-nom with User:ThinkBlue.--Truco 16:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
Fixed. Thanks.--TRUCO 17:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a promotion which had numerous subsidiaries" "which"-->that.
  • "mid–2003" Should be a hyphen, not an en dash.
  • "The title was won in Japan and in 8 American states, and was won mostly at live events."-->The title was mostly won at live events in Japan and in eight American states.**Fixed.--TRUCO 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "were the final wrestlers to hold the championship"-->were the final wrestlers to have held the championship
  • "while the Dudley Boyz' eight reign" Do you mean "eighth reign"?
    • Yeah, silly mistake. Fixed.--TRUCO 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "while the championship was vacated five times due to decisions made by ECW. " What does this have to do with The Dudley Boyz holding the most reigns as a tag team?
    • Very true, removed.--TRUCO 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Overall, there 51 reigns." Missing a verb.
    • Verb added.--TRUCO 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you make the tables in the "List of top combined reigns" section sortable? Dabomb87 (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Spell out "WWE" in the general ref.
  • The book ref is missing a title.
    • Title added.--TRUCO 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 2, add format=PDF to the citation template. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments by Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)
Quick comments
  • For "Wrestler name (#) The number represents the amount of times the wrestler has held the title individually" -> this is a bit confusing as if they regain the title with the same team again their number doesn't increase. Reword to something about how many teams the individual has won it with.
  • Can you make N/A in "Days held" sort to the bottom not the top. ("*" might work)
    • Your change wasn't what I meant so I eventually fixed it myself. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC) (I apologise, re-reading that comment it sounds really arsey, it wasn't meant like that at all, I just meant that I didn't know how to fix it myself. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
      • Its okay =)--TRUCO 01:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similarly with the other N/A fields can you sort them to the bottom under sorted text ("zzz" or something)
  • In ==By wrestler==, shouldn't "A.J. Petrucci" sort by Petrucci, not A.J.
    • This still needs doing for the two summary tables at the bottom, you just did this on the main one.
      • Oops, fixed.--TRUCO 01:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw a note on your talk page from Dabomb87, I will try and review this fully later. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much, and I'll be awaiting that review, but these quick comments are now fixed.--TRUCO 21:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • The lead says "different tag teams, a duo of wrestlers using ring names," but I notice one of the winners was a trio (Chris Candido, Johnny Hotbody, and Chris Michaels)
    • Fixed. --TRUCO 22:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entry 39: What was the event the singles match took place at?
    • Event added.--TRUCO 22:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entry 43: "Buh Buh Ray and D-Von<br/>(TheDudley Boyz)" -> need a space after "The", but also all the others are just "Dudley Boys" so is the "The" meant to be there?
    • I forgot to remove this one.--TRUCO 22:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not needed - but you could modify {{ECW Championships}} to include this (and other winner lists) by making it say "Tag Team (winners)"
  • Question: Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Prefer spelled-out phrases to abbreviations says that abbreviations should be spelled out if they are not well know. So this page should possbily be moved to List of Eastern Championship Wrestling Tag Team Champions. I realise that this goes against the existing FLs but I can't find anything that says it should be abbreviated, as it is not a commons abbr.
  • Not necessarily because per WP:ACRONYM, if the said subject/topic is best known by their acronym (In order to determine the prominence of the abbreviation over the full name, consider checking how the subject is referred to in popular media such as newspapers, magazines, and other publications.), which it is per [2]. In addition, in wrestling, promotions are strictly referred to by their acronym on most occasions. Also, the official name of the stated championship is "ECW Tag Team Championship" not "Extreme Championship Wrestling Tag Team Champions" [this is the literal version, but not the accurate version].--TRUCO 22:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glad this conforms with guidelines, as I thought we might have to move it for policies sake. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

  • Entries 25, 27 say "(The Dudley Boys)"; 29 says "The (Dudley Boys)"; 35, 37, 39, 41, 43 say "(Dudley Boys)". - be consistent
    • Fixed. I thought I removed those already before the FLC, I guess not.--TRUCO 21:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 45 says "(Impact Players)", 48 says "(The Impact Players)" - consistency again
    • Fixed. I thought I removed those already before the FLC, I guess not.--TRUCO 21:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 31, "Little Guido and Tracy Smothers<br/>(Full Blooded Italians)" and 50, "Little Guido (2)and Tony Mamaluke <br/>(Full Blooded Italians)" should probably sort together by name.
  • 50, "Little Guido (2)and Tony Mamaluke - space after (2)
  • Random linking for events. Lots of events link to Extreme Championship Wrestling#Tradition. Why? Examles being "Bloodfest: Part 1", "Double Tables", "Return of the Funker", "Three Way Dance", "Gangsta's Paradise", "Hostile City Showdown", "As Good as it Gets", "Better than Ever"
    • Because in sortable tables, linking is an exception to WP:OVERLINK. In addition, those events don't have respective articles because they were random events held by ECW before it produced pay-per-view events, so they are un-notable to have an article. The link to their tradition covers these events as being random named live events before ECW produced pay-per-view events.--TRUCO 21:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Its not the overlinking I'm worried about, its linking to a section that has no mention of any of these events. I suggest just using the names of the events not linked to anything. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • An overall issue it consistency with sorting names. It seems to be a bit random. I'm don't think sorting by wrestlers real names instead of their wrestiling names is a good idea, as this is not what a would reader expect.
  • I fixed what appears to be the rest of the sorting issues. They are sorted by their ring name, some wrestlers used ring names, others did not, so they sort by their real name while others did with their ring name. See how it works at List of WCW World Tag Team Champions.--TRUCO 21:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following up on this. Entry 43 sorts differently to the other Dudley Boy ones because it is missing a sort tag.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Even more comments

  • Why is it "Lance Storm (3)" as his third win is the same pair as his second, so it is covered in reigns (maybe it should be (2) instead)
    • Because Storm won a separate title reign with Chris Candido at entry #33, making it 3 reigns individually in total.--TRUCO 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, but the note says "The number represents the amount of times the wrestler has held the title individually with different tag teams." and this number is 2. So it should be changed accordingly. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 01:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why do "Cactus Jack (2) and Mikey Whipwreck (2)" have twos after their name. Same pair as won it the first time so it covered by reigns.
  • Entry 38: "Sabu (3) and Rob Van Dam" - no (3) after Sabu as only won with 2 different tag teams - also reigns here should be 2 not 3 i think.
    • No because Sabu won his first reign with The Tazmaniac at entry #13, thus 3 reigns individually.--TRUCO 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, but the note says "The number represents the amount of times the wrestler has held the title individually with different tag teams." and this number is 2. So it should be changed accordingly. Additionally it is the second reign of the pair so reign coumn should be 2 not 3. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 01:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Tazmaniac" won in entry 9 & 13 - second occurance needs a (2)
  • Entry 49: "Yoshihiro Tajiri and Mikey Whipwreck (3)" - it should be (2) after Whipwreck pending the above change, about him being double listed for a pair.
    • Whipwreck won his first reign with Cactus Jack, and his second with Jack, and this is his 3rd overall. This (#) represents their individual reign overall.--TRUCO 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Title "Reigns" should possibly be "Reign" - as Reigns seems to mean how many the pair have had (i.e. 8 for all Dudley Boys entry) whereas Reign gives a better feeling of what regin it was.
    • Changed to "Reign"--TRUCO 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please check the numbers: I only checked one but it was wrong - the combined days of " Buh Buh Ray and D-Von" add up to 291 for me. Please go through all these and check them.
    • Okay, I fixed them.--TRUCO 00:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally

  • 46: Should be Tony Dreamer (3)
  • 5: Should be Johnny Hotbody [without the (2)], and then 7: becomes Hotbody (2) not (3)
  • Entries with "New Jack" have a double space before his name.
    • What do you mean?--TRUCO 503 16:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • It was easier to fix myself. Basically an additional sort key gave an additional space (as shown in here). Anyway this is done. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 19:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, I see now. Thanks.--TRUCO 503 19:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For 30: It is New Jack (2), because it is his 2nd reign with different pairs (but third overall)
  • Similarly Kronus should be (2), because it is his 2nd reign with different pairs (but fourth overall)
  • 42: "Balls Mahoney (3)", it is not the third different pair he won with (third overall), it is the second pair he won with so should be (2)
  • Combined days, By team: " A.J. Petrucci and Doug Stahl" 283+0 is not 284.
  • "Sabu and Rob Van Dam" 119+125=244 not 243
  • "Buh Buh Ray and D-Von" ranked fifth, but 291 is bigger than both 284 and 243, they should be second.
  • I've checked the "By team", please check the individual ones.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 01:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you had to go through all this trouble, but I meant that note to be as "individually" (in general), so that should resolve your comments on that. In addition, I didn't create the table, so I'm not to aware of the way it was formatted. --TRUCO 503 01:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose this change. This changes the entire meaning and brings a whole heap of different problems. It would mean you would have to also change all the pairs who won multiple times to "Buh Buh Ray (8) and D-Von (8)" for example. This would cause lots of changes to be required. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. That's not what it means, this is a standard for all tag team championship lists, like List of WCW World Tag Team Champions. The number represents the amount of times the wrestlers has held the title individually overall, however, it is only noted when he has won it with a different tag team partner. For instance, lets say D-Von (of the Dudley Boys) won it 7 times with Bubba, but then won it with Tommy Dreamer (his first different tag team partner), it would read like D-Von Dudley (8) and Tommy Dreamer, and then if he won it again with Bubba it would read like Bubba Ray (8) and D-Von (9) because as a tag team they have differentiating number of reigns, do you understand?--TRUCO 503 16:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry but if that is the existing standard it doesn't work and needs to be changed. The note in no way conveys that information to the reader. If you explained a scenario, gave someone the desciptive note I am sure they would have no idea when and where to use the numbers. You can't use one set of rules for people in multiple tag teams and a another for those winning in only one team unless it is explicitly clear. I appreciate that you have worked hard on this list (trust me after all my reviewing I don't really want it to fail) but this needs resolving. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. I didn't save the correct revision, how about now?--TRUCO 503 16:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I now think I understand fully the system you are trying to use. I would reword the note though. How about "The number represents the individual reigns of a wrestler, when this is distinct from the tag team's reigns". If this is what you meant please let me know and I can recheck all the numbers (although please allow me time as this is not the most interesting job in the world :P) Rambo's Revenge (talk) 19:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what I meant. Note reworded. Okay =) (I'm really sorry you had to go through this trouble, it would have been less errors if I created the table, but I did not, ThinkBlue did.)--TRUCO 503 19:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've struck all the issues that no longer apply. There are two issues remaining in the at the top of the "Additionally" section. After those are resolved I will cap all this (basically reset my review) and go through the numbers again. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, those are now done. Thanks, again.--TRUCO 503 22:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second review of numbers

  • 33: "Chris Candido (2)", third individual title - should be 3
  • 18: "Raven (2) and Stevie Richards" - no 2 after Raven as it is the pairs second win and the reigns coincide

I am happy with all the numbers after these fixes :) Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:00, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done all.--TRUCO 503 23:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By individual
  • Lance Storm: 203+48+31=282! Nowhere near 417.
  • Grunge, Rocco, Saturn, Rocco are correct
  • Chris Candido 42+46+203=291
  • A.J. Petrucci 283+0=283
  • Stahl 283+0=283
  • Sabu & Van Dam are correct

For these I am assuming that the "days held" column has the correct numbers. If there is a cite for these tables then maybe those are wrong, either way something is. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done all. I didn't make that table either, so I'm not really aware of that, the "by individual" and "by tag team" tables were added during this FLC, so I'm not aware of their stats. Sorry about all the issues.--TRUCO 503 23:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is probably the most thorough FLC review I have ever done (click show!) and every issue was resolved to my satisfaction. The only thing I haven't checked explicitly is the numbers for the "days held" column. However using this tool I checked a random sample and all were correct. Therefore I will now support this nomination. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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