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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

List of CZW World Tag Team Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): --WillC 22:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because... passes criteria, blah blah blah, everyone gets the picture, I've done this like 20 times already. Everyone knows the drill, you leave comments, I fix them. Say thank you because I'm grateful, tell you they are finished. Come back vote support, this list passes and I nominate another one. For the ones who understand that nonsense, you speak retardense, congratulations.--WillC 22:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support with comment. Recommend notes be filled in for the first table or else put emdashes. No disambiguous links and sources check out ok. I ran it through AWB general fixes and all was ok.--Kumioko (talk) 03:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Are Solie.org considered reliable sources?—Chris! ct 20:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They have before. Check this for more information.--WillC 01:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Weak Oppose

Lead
  • 'All title changes happen at live events, which are usually released on DVD. ' -- 1)Link to 'live events' 2)It would be better stated ..which are usually taped and released on DVD.
  • 'At 343 days, The Backseat Boyz (Kashmere and Acid)'s fourth reign is the longest in the title's history.' -- 1) I see no need for the last names again here 2)I suggest, due to my suggestion below, that this be reworded to The Backseat Boyz (Kashmere and Acid)'s fourth reign is the longest in the title's history, at 343 days.
  • 'Dahmer's and Rivera, Jr.'s only reign and 2 Girls, 1 Cup (Beef Wellington and Greg Excellent)'s first reign are tied for the record for shortest in the title's history at less than one day.' --> At less than one day, Dahmer and Rivera, Jr.'s only reign and 2 Girls, 1 Cup (Beef Wellington and Greg Excellent)'s first reign are tied for the shortest.
  • 'Overall, there have been 42 reigns, among 56 wrestlers and 29 teams, and three known vacancies.' -- I don't like the use of 'known' here, it makes it seem like the history of the list is incomplete.
  • Is there any other history to this title, for the beginning paragraph?
    • Yes, but with lists just supposed to be a summary of the title's history as talked about on Talk:TNA X Division Championship, I cut some of it out.--WillC 00:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, but you can summarize a bit more the history. It looks unappealing that small little paragraph.--Truco 503 20:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Added info I removed earlier I felt was too much.--WillC 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • That info is fine, it makes the article more interesting.--Truco 503 00:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
List
  • The Brothers of East L.A. should sort by B not T
  • Add in the key what the stable name means under the name of the wrestlers.
  • Entry 4: link to Three Way match
  • The 11/99 vacation of the title does not need an "N/A" in the notes.
    • Fixed, did it to show that it was unknown to why the title was vacated.--WillC 00:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For entry 8, if Justin Pain was the sole champion, did these wrestlers beat him in a handicap match as well?
Notes
  • Note 1: What other party sources? Third?
    • Some from PWTorch but I have yet to find one that reviews a show where the belt was won. I'll look some more.--WillC 00:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • No I mean like state what type of sources you are referring to in the article.--Truco 503 20:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • My bad, misread. Fixed.--WillC 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes 2: It's unclear? Thats a bit biased, it would be better stated as unknown--Truco 503 22:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All are fixed.--WillC 00
37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 00:22, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

cautious support

Resolved comments from MPJ-DK
Comments –
General
  • The titles of the shows should be in italics or alternately in quotation-marks as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) - I think titles of teams could also fall in that category.
  • Shouldn't all the shows link to "House Shows"? they happen to be taped for DVD but they're not specific television show, PPV or large annual event are they?
  • Unknown, not a big fan of CZW. Some are annual events. Answered this in the other lists.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are so many columns centered? that's inconsistent with any other Wrestling FL not done by you. I agree with User:Crzycheetah, it's not the standard way for text in tables.
  • Addition: I've checked several recent FLs on other subjects, they do not have centered text - in other words from what I can see your format falls outside both the pro wrestling MOS and the way 99% of FLs are. It should be changed to left align.MPJ-DK (talk) 13:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why are there specific citations for champions #26 only? Are they not covered by the general references?
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that the annual show archive should not be under general but cited in the line it's referenced. It is after all not a source for the general page, just for the events that take place that one year.
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You mention when there is only one person holding the team title, but not when there are three people holding 2 belts, not even a footnote or anything in the "notes" column. Since one situation is addressed the other should be as well.
  • It is a tag team article and three men or more are still technically a tag team. But one man holding it is not, that is why it is mentioned and not the other.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's something that deviates from the standard, the standard is 2 men yet at one point there are three men listed without explanations or anything like that. That's just confusing and should at the very least have a note on it. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will be noted. Got to work on a way to state it. Though I feel differently since in Mexico there are tios, but there are still Six Man "Tag Team" match, Eight Man "Tag Team" matches, etc in the states. So the definition of a tag team is a team of more than one wrestler.--WillC 08:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Pain held the championship during his entire reign alone", may I suggest "Pain held the championship on his own during the entire reign" or something to that effect.
  • I don't see a big difference here.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a big one, but a small one "his entire reign alone" does not read right, "held the championship on his own" is crystal clear. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Overall, there have been 42 reigns, among 56 wrestlers and 29 teams" sounds like there were 56 individual wrestlers and 29 established teams, shouldn't it be "56 individual wrestlers, comprising 29 teams" or words to that effect? I just think "56 and 29" is a mathematical challenge.
  • Solie.org - I was under the impression it was only reliable if they state that the "Pro Wrestling Title Histories" book was one of their sources, this one does not state that and most of the reigns happen after the last "Pro Wrestling Title Histories" was published.
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not really pleased with how many primary sources are used, only 3 non-primary sources are listed, one I'm not convinced is reliable and the other mentions a specific title change, 1 out of 41. I would think Feature Lists would need to be better sourced than that.
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorting
  • How do you determine the sort order of teams which just have regular names? it seems to be mixed up if it's first name or last name used - which isn't right. I'd suggest last name of the first wrestler and ensuring that the wrestler listed first comes first alphabetically unless it's their actual team name.
  • I try to go by the alphabet, but during the format change I may forget too. I'm assuming you are asking the order of the wrestler names in wins. Like Justice Pain would go before Super Dragon. I go by the first letter in the first name.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You didn't always go by the first letter of the first name, and for proper names I do believe it should be last, but as long as it's ALWAYS one or the other I'm happy as long as you pick one. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • First letter of first name seems better IMO. I'll change the ones that don't go by this if there is any soon.--WillC 08:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Necro Butcher - sorts by Bucher, not Necro - Butcher isn't his last name.
  • Justice Pain - same as above
Combined reigns
  • Key to explain "+" is missing
  • Answered this in the other list.--WillC 01:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorting as above.

Sorry can't support just yet. (I've watchlisted the page, I'll keep up with comments) MPJ-DK (talk) 12:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The comments made in the other list were answered there, I just answered specifics here. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will do and thank you for the support. Sorry for being a bit difficult.--WillC 13:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "Pain held the championship on his own; from November 20, 1999 to January 8, 2000, " Remove the semicolon
  • "The Thrill Kill Kult (Diablos Macabre and Midknight); the same team he defeated to win the championship." The semicolon should be a comma.
  • "five a piece.-->five each
  • "Overall, there have been 42 reigns; shared between 56 individual wrestlers and comprised of 29 teams; and three vacancies." "three"-->3
  • The image caption should not have a period at the end as it is not a complete sentence.
  • Fixed, my bad, must have just been a reflex from when I wrote the statement.--WillC 15:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Names in small print and underneath the individual wrestler's names was the team name for the group." "was"-->were (fix this in other FLs too).
  • Fixed, first one to use it to see if it was good enough for the others since I forgot to mention that part of the format.--WillC 15:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Em dashes in blank table cells please. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • All already have them.--WillC 15:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What exactly are you asking for? When you say em dash I think &m dash;, which I don't think would look very good in the notes section. If you are asking for &n bsp; then okay.--WillC 15:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think em dashes look better. It also lets readers know that the cells were intentionally left blank, rather than there being missing information. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know how a dash is going to help. It would harm it in my mind more than do any good.--WillC 01:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks you for your comments.--WillC 15:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • World tag team championship is linked twice in three sentences.
  • "a wrestler has held the championship by himself—Justice Pain. Pain...". Notice the repetition at the end, and try to avoid having a word appear twice in a row like this.
  • Combined Days columns in two tables aren't sorting properly.
  • Decapitalize "Of Reigns" and Days in "Combined days" in section headers. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All finished.--WillC 22:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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