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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:33, 25 July 2009 [1].

List of CMLL World Welterweight Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): MPJ-DK (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I belive this is up to the standard of Featured Lists for wrestling championships, adding improvements from previous FLs. For instance I have recently added sorting of "N/A" so that it's at the end and not sorted like a proper name/event. Here I've also tried a new method of approaching entries where the length in time is unknown without going into Original Research and I think I came up with a pretty good way to handle it and also make the article more informative. Each time I submit a list for FL I learn so I'm hoping that this starts out at a higher level than my previous nomination. I would like to thank everyone for their input in advance, without it this process would fail (which is why I'm making it my goal to contribute more to other FLs as well). MPJ-DK (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
General
  • Dabs and external links check out fine with the checker tools.
Lead
  • In addition to being the first champion, Fuerza Guerrera is also the individual to have held the championship the shortest time, 22 days. -- Change the last part either to (22 days). or , at 22 days.
  • Mephisto holds the record for longest individual title reign, 1,141 days, while El Felino's three reigns gives him the longest combined reigns, 1,186 days. -- 1)Same thing like above with the formatting 2)gives --> give 3)reigns --> reign
  • The current champion is Negro Casas, the 23rd overall champion and the 16th person to hold the title. -- I think it would be best to add here what reign this is for him.
  • Fixed, I should definitly have caught that myself. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Casas defeated Místico on March 20, 2009 at CMLL's annual Homenaje a Dos Leyendas show -- 1)This needs a period 2)Spanish translation needed I believe for the show name
  • In 1996 then reigning champion La Pantera planned on leaving CMLL to join their main rival Asistencia Asesoría y Administración (AAA), before doing so he lost the CMLL Welterweight title to Super Delfin in a match not sanctioned by CMLL. -- Comma after 1996
  • When you use CMLL Welterweight title it should be CMLL Welterweight Title and when you use CMLL Welterweight championship it should be CMLL Welterweight Championship
  • CMLL knew that Pantera had given notice used the opportunity to vacate the title, stating that Super Delfin's claim to the title was void. -- +and before used the opportunity
  • After El Felino became the CMLL-endorsed Welterweight champion he defeated Super Delfin to ensure that there was only one "undisputed" CMLL World Welterweight Champion. -- 1)Remove whats striked, no need for it 2)Comma before he defeated Super Delfin 3)This sounds a bit controversial, what verifies this? Especially the "undisputed" part, does it really need quotations.
  • Fixed, the book "Wrestling Title histories" listed under general sources confirms Pantera's unsanctioned loss, Felino's official win and his win over Super Delfin to clarify the championship picture. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Table
  • América later held the title as Pantera and then Pantera II -- This is a complete sentence, so period is needed.
  • I think the system you got going is working =]
  • Thank you, it bothered me to leave too much "unknown" information in the table when the date rage was known. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Footnotes
  • Note # 2 needs to state something about the combined reign.
  • There was no combined reign for Guerrero de la Muerte, he only had one reign. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, gotcha.--Truco 503 16:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The notes need to state IMO that instead of putting it should be , placing
  • Those that have the combined reigns, it should state instead of putting it should be and his combined reign at [# of days], at the least.
References
  • Unlink Mexico in the links.--Truco 503 18:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed and thank you for your input. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 16:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "wrestling based"-->wrestling-based (fix this in your other wrestling FLs)
  • Fixed, and I will do a consistency check on all past and future FLs/FLc. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The first champion to be recognized by CMLL was Fuerza Guerrera " Comma after here.
  • "Fuerza Guerrera is also the individual"
Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The current champion is Negro Casas, he is on his first reign as CMLL WOrld Welterweight Champion, he is the 23rd overall champion and the 16th person to hold the title."-->The current champion is Negro Casas; he is on his first reign as CMLL WOrld Welterweight Champion, and is the 23rd overall champion and the 16th person to hold the title.
  • Fixed although I reworded it slightly to not have two "and" in there. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Statistics correct as of July 15, 2009." No period; it's not a complete sentence.
  • Period removed, text changed per previous input on a FLC. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I've mentioned this before, but I don't think the copyright symbol is appropriate here. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • May I be allowed a "shit!" here, because I thought I had checked for the, but it's fixed now (and will be a standard check for any future FLc). MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

  • Is ref 1 in Spanish? If so, this needs to be noted with the language= parameter in the template.
  • Yes it is in Spanish, the original article I copied the citation from didn't have the language code, I added it and will run through the various places I've used it and add it
  • Refs 4 and 8 are magazines, and should be in italics. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're right, I put them under "publisher" and not "work" which is why they looked different, fixed now. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to add that I have been reading a lot of old FLC related comments, especially on alt text (which I have added and will add to any previous FL I've gotten passed) and on the amount of redlinks. Especially the red link talk has made me think and T agree there should be a minimu of redlinks in an article - which is why for this article I plan on creating articles for Pantera (wrestler) (3 links), Ciclón Ramirez, Máscara Mágica II, Olímpico and Arkangel de la Muerte in the next week or two and that these articles will be at least Start class (It's a personal thing I hate creating a stub when I can easily bump it up to start with an hour of work). Also future FLc will have very few redlinks before they're even submitted. MPJ-DK (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 01:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Considering that the list has a couple of supports already, I was disappointed to find quite a few minor problems; none are too bad by themselves, but they add up quickly. I wouldn't expect to find this much in a modest-size list.
  • Promotion linked twice in the first paragraph. For some reason, this has been a problem in a few similar lists lately.
    • Fixed and I will check my lists for consistency. MPJ-DK (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "4-man tournament" → "four-man tournament" per WP:MOSNUM.
  • "he is on his first reign as CMLL World Welterweight Champion, he is the 23rd overall champion and the 16th person to hold the title." Replace second "he" with "and" to improve the flow of this sentence. Two "ands" is better than two "he"s that are ungrammatical.
  • Semi-colon needed after (AAA).
  • "in a match not sanctioned by CMLL. CMLL knew that Pantera had given notice." Repetition of the promotion's name. Also, notice of what? His departure?
  • Fuerza Guerrera note: "an 4-man tournament" → "a four-man tournament". Similar to a comment above.
  • Mascara Magica note: "Defeats Super Devlin...". I would rather see past tense, though two straight sentences beginning with "Defeated" isn't optimal.
    • Removed it, it's in the prose and not relevant to him winning the title. MPJ-DK (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Championship History → Championship history. De-capitalized word is not a proper noun.
  • For the new note in the key on unknown reign lengths, use a semi-colon instead of a comma.
  • Footnote 1: Comma after "upper limit".
  • All other notes: Commas after "not known". Giants2008 (17–14) 02:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I'm much happier with it now that the suggestions have been implemented. Seems up to both the FL standards and those set by other similar lists I've seen. Giants2008 (17–14) 01:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Wrestlinglover
Stay tuned, coming tomorrow, or whenever.--WillC 09:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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