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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 20:37, 21 April 2009 [1].

List of CMLL World Heavyweight Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): MPJ-DK (talk)

I nominate this list for Featured List status as I believe it fullfills all the FL requirements. It's also had the benefit of being updated according to all the input I got on the List of Mexican National Heavyweight Champions review. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Lead
  • The CMLL World Heavyweight Championship (Campeonato Mundial Completo de CMLL in Spanish) is a singles professional wrestling championship promoted by Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre and has been in existence since 1991. -- (1)Possibly pipelink singles to Professional wrestling match types#Variations of singles matches or another relevant link that explains singles (2)Comma before and
  • Unlike other heavyweight titles such as the WWE Championship or the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, it is not the main championship in the promotion due to the fact that CMLL has greater focus on the lower weightlevels due to the fact that there are more workers in the lower levels. -- (1)Repetition of due to the fact, use another term (2)Space between weight and levels
  • (1) changed second "due to the fact" to "since", simple and unrepetitive. (2) Done MPJ-DK (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The title was the first title created after Empresa Mexicana de la Lucha Libre changed it's name to Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre in the early 1990s.-->The title was the first to be created after Empresa Mexicana de la Lucha Libre changed it's name to Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre in the early 1990s.
  • You need to elaborate earlier that CMLL stands for the name of the promotion by using (CMLL)
  • Done, I usually always do that but you can get so blind reading your own stuff sometimes. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because the championship is a professional wrestling championship, it is not won or lost competitively but instead by the decision of the bookers of a wrestling promotion. The title is awarded after the chosen champion "wins" a match to maintain the illusion that professional wrestling is a competitive sport. -- I'm going out on a limb here, but this is needed in every article, if you check the Over the Edge (1999) article, the ref [2] can source this.
  • As the Championship is designated as a heavyweight title, the Championship can only officially be competed for by wrestlers weighing at least 105 kg (230 lb). - I don't recall what resulted from the other list, why couldn't you source this again?
  • I accidentally stumbled on this the other day researching the Comision and found the Spanish language source, I also added it to the Mex heavy title, I now have the FULL rules of the comission (very handy).MPJ-DK (talk) 20:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The rule is not strictly adhered to as several champions have been under the weight limit including the current champion Último Guerrero. -- comma before including
  • The rule is not strictly adhered to as several champions have been under the weight limit including the current champion Último Guerrero. -- (1)Comma before who (2)dash between 16 and man
  • Done, I even figured out you referred to the next section ;) MPJ-DK (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Championship has been vacated twice, both times when the champion left CMLL for another wrestling promotion. -- how about The Championship has been vacated twice, both instances were when the champion left CMLL for another promotion. [oh yeah you don't need to state wrestling again]
  • Only one man has held the Championship three times, Universo 2000 and only one other man has ever held the title more than once, Rayo de Jalisco, Jr. -- comma after 2000
List
  • Remove the period from the first note
Combine length
  • Is it necessary to have a symbol and color, color suffices.--Truco 14:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly? I didn't think so, it was commented on in the Mex Heavy review but I'm thinking of finding a better way than both color and symbol. I'll look at the rest of the comments but so far yes spot on I've got some editing to do. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I originally put a symbol there to made the cell wider but with the addition of a lable line to the box it works out better, I should have added that line anyway. I also fixed a sorting problem in that table as both the "time in days" for the current champion and "2,555" sorted oddly before, hidden text can do wonders for sorting. I think that's everything, thank you so much. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:18, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Excellent fixes. One more thing before I CAP this, for the current champion highlighting it should only be on one cell, not the entire row. Refer to List of New Orleans Saints head coaches on how this can be accomplished.--Truco 02:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see and I fixed it. Definitely one for the list of FL preparations in the future. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved; article now meets WP:WIAFL. Excellent job.--Truco 14:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008
Comments - Except for this handful of items, it's a very nice list overall.
  • "it is not the main championship in the promotion due to the fact that...". Replace "due to the fact that" with "because" to make this part less wordy.
  • "after Empresa Mexicana de la Lucha Libre changed it's name...". Remove apostrophe from "its".
  • "As the Championship is designated as a heavyweight title, the Championship...". Change second use of "the Championship" to "it" to avoid redundant wording.
  • In the last sentence of the lead, place commas before and after Ultimo Guerrero.
  • Fixed, although I didn't put a comma after the name as it's the last word in the sentence. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the note for the first vacancy, change "leaves" to "left". Giants2008

(17-14) 01:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - My issues are all resolved. There were apparently some things I didn't catch, but those are now done as well, and I'm comfortable that this is FL-level. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • ", and has been in existence since 1991." Make this its own sentence; the lead sentence is a bit too long.
  • "CMLL has greater focus on the lower weight levels since there are more workers in the lower levels. "-->CMLL has emphasized the lower weight levels since there are more workers in the lower levels.
  • "but instead by the decision of the bookers of a wrestling promotion. "-->but is instead, the result is determined by the bookers of a wrestling promotion.
  • "twice, both instances were" Semicolon, not comma.
  • "Only one man has held the Championship three times, Universo 2000, and only one other man has ever held the title more than once, Rayo de Jalisco, Jr."-->One man has held the Championship three times, Universo 2000, and one other man has held the title multiple times, Rayo de Jalisco, Jr.
  • Can you center some of the columns, namely, "#", "Reign", "Days held"
  • The color in the second table needs a symbol (e.g. * ^ #) to accompany the color per WP:ACCESS.
  • I see, it was mentioned in a different review that the symbol was not needed, good to see a definite answer to that, I have added it and I will remember WP:ACCESS. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Dos Caras Jr."-->Dos Caras, Jr.
  • "Sean Morely "-->Sean Morley
  • Why are some winners linked and others not linked?
  • They don't have articles right now and well I guess I didn't want redlinks, but that'd be inconsistent and I added them. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be sure to address some of these issues in other lists too if necessary (mainly the table and linking issues).

Dabomb87 (talk) 21:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final comment All the names in the table should be linked because it is sortable. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately that's a quick fix. Done. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Per MOS, link titles should not be in all caps; convert them to title case (ref 2)
  • I left it as it was formatted in the source but now it's been updated. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 2 also needs format=PDF added to it. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quick Note The latest reign has the number of days with 2 right brackets. --Numyht (talk) 16:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right I can't believe I missed that. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Wrestlinglover
  • Support
Resolved comments from Wrestlinglover
Change: One man has held the Championship three times, Universo 2000, and one other man has held the title multiple times, Rayo de Jalisco, Jr. - Universo 2000 holds the record for most reigns, with three. Much simpler and no need to state that Jr also held it multiple times if he is not tied or anything along that nature.--WillC 15:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Change: The current champion Último Guerrero is the 15th overall champion and the 12th person to hold the title - The current champion is Último Guerrero, who is the 15th overall champion and the 12th person to hold the title. Sounds better IMO.--WillC 15:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Use Template:Center and center the Wrestler and Date columns, making it sort and look better.
Done. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also de-link all links that appear red, they just are unpleasant, but not a requirement.--WillC 15:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not delink the red links if they are of notable subjects. Per WP:RED, red links are good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, especially since there are only 3 redlinks and they're likely to get articles, they're definitly notable enough and I personally plan on writing all three with time unless someone beats me to it. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, fair enough. No problem.--WillC 08:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Are you sure you can't find the date for when Sean Morley vacated the championship? It seems like a big gap, especially where the combined length table is concerned. -- Scorpion0422 20:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nothing I've found so far indicates a more specific date I'm afraid. It's also not that big a gap, he held it approximately 5 months, 150 days or so putting him in the low end of "combined length" if there was a definite date. MPJ-DK (talk) 20:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nonetheless, he would be on the table, so it can be counted as incomplete. -- Scorpion0422 20:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since there is no specific date though it would be considered Original Research If i put an approximate number of days on there, the list contains what can be confirmed. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding an approximate number actually would not be original research because it would be guess work based on existing sources. Why not add him to number 10 in the table with no specified number of days, then add a note that says he vacated the title some time in September, so his reign could be between 136 and 165 days? -- Scorpion0422 17:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like that suggestion, I added him with the note and all, looks alright. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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