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Arsenal Player of the Season[edit]

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Nominator(s): Idiosincrático (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first time nominating a list. Honestly just looking for advice to perfect the article and to determine whether it is worth adding to the featured lists. I think its a really good list and I believe it is already considerably better than the other 'player of the year' featured lists. I think the list is simple, straight to the point, complete, well-referenced and informative. Again, really just looking for friendly advice so I can make it a better article. Idiosincrático (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Footballistically@Phikia@StraightOuttaBoston@Footwiks@Mediocre Legacy Idiosincrático (talk) 13:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The lead is split into five tiny paragraphs, some of these could probably be combined
Done
  • "The award is given based solely on the votes of Arsenal fans on Arsenal.com usually just before or after the last Premier League game of the season" - source?
Done
  • "The trophy resembles a replica of a cannon, referring to Arsenal's logo, and the statues of cannons outside the Emirates Stadium, Arsenal's home ground" - source? Also, surely it is a replica of a cannon, rather than just resembling a replica?
Done
  • "The 2015–16 and 2016–17 awards were officially called the Vitality Arsenal Player of the Season Award for sponsorship purposes." - source?
Done
  • "English people remain as the dominant nationality when receiving the award" - really strange wording. I would just say "English players have received the award most often".
Done
  • "Alan Smith won the 1989 award, being the league's top scorer." - source for the last bit?
Done
  • "Cesc Fàbregas won the award in 2007 at 20 years of age" - source for him being 20? Also this caption needs a full stop.
Removed it
  • "First Arsenal Academy graduate" - source? Doesn't really add to the article
Removed it
  • Players' names should sort based on surname, not forename
Done
  • What makes these high-quality reliable sources?
    • myfootballfacts.com - Replaced with book reference
    • thefootballfaithful.com - Replaced
    • english.stadiumastro.com - Replaced
    • sportmob.com - Replaced
    • thehardtackle.com - Replaced
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you so much @ChrisTheDude, I've had a good try at fixing these, please let me know how I went or if there is anything else. Idiosincrático (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • One other thing I noticed (not sure if this was the case before or if it's because of subsequent changes - in the refs Arsenal F.C. is sometimes the work (and therefore in italics) and other times the publisher (and therefore not). It should be the publisher every time -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed, yeah it was definitely me systematically writing the manual references incorrectly. @ChrisTheDude Idiosincrático (talk) 01:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Captions added, I made them hidden as they all have headings. Cheers Idiosincrático (talk) 11:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review[edit]

These are suggestions, not demands. Feel free to disagree.

  • Per MOS:NUM, all numbers smaller than ten in the lead should be spelt out in words. - Done
  • The final sentence of the lead could be added to the end of the first paragraph. - Done
  • "The award has been given based on votes by Arsenal fans on Arsenal.com." a) since when? b) no need to specify the address when you could just say "the club's website"
    - Part b addressed, see below for a
  • "However, it has been previously based on votes by the Arsenal Supporters' Trust." a) However is unnecessary, b) "has been" could just be "was" - Fixed
  • Not entirely sure why the best player is needed in "being awarded 'best player'" - Fixed
  • A source for the last few lines of the second paragraph would be helpful, just to make sure WP:DUE is satisfied. - Removed as I couldn't source the lines
  • Citation 4 doesn't support the sentence. - Removed the sentence and citation completely, also changed preview pic and caption

All for now. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AirshipJungleman29, thank you for your comments. I managed to address all of the points you brought up except part 'a' of your second point. This is because I couldn't find a source which indicates when they switched the vote to the club's website. I could traceback the vote on the website to 2005 but that doesn't exactly imply it started there, the encyclopedia source only says "the Offical Arsenal Supporters Club has voted for the award". Because I couldn't answer it, I've left the lead as is, please let me know if this is satisfactory or not. Other than that everything was fixed. :) Idiosincrático (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - there were still issues with the lead but I figured it was quicker to just make the changes than to explain them here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --Phikia (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Very well done list, just a few minor comments

  • Link Brady and Bergkamp in the lead given that you link other players.
  • You could mention the first player outside of Europe to win it since you mention the first player outside of the UK and British Isles. This is up to you, its just suggestion.
  • You might want to add one more image after Van Persie to fill up the remaining space.

That's all I have. --Newtothisedit (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All Addressed. Cheers @Newtothisedit. Idiosincrático (talk) 01:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support--Newtothisedit (talk) 16:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed, closing, promoted. --PresN 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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