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Precious four years!

Precious
Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

It's been that long eh? How time flies... Yunshui 雲水 12:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes. - I noticed a DYK by you, - if it's still open when I need one I'll grab it. - The FAC which you approved was considerably changed, - I wonder if in the end I will have to recall everyone. So far I keep waiting. Could you perhaps take a look at the alleged "copyright" problem? The same question was raised here and answered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Hm. I'd like to help, but I worry that sticking my oar in at this point might just muddy the waters further. For what's it's worth, my view tends to align with Francis' position to a degree, in that I don't think previous acceptance of a source for one article should necessarily lead to the conclusion that the source is acceptable generally - we tend not to set precedents on Wikipedia in this way. The suggestion that it go to RSN isn't a bad one; it might be the best way to clear up the issue once and for all. There do seem to be a number of copyright violations in the source (downloadable liner notes and images of album covers), and WP:ELNEVER#1 is pretty clear: material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked, whether in an external-links section or in a citation. WP:COPYLINK is equally explicit: if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work ... Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States. That this has been missed or disregarded in previous FA/GA/DYK discussions doesn't change the policy. My recommendation would be to take it to RSN - if it's accepted there, that does set a precedent for the future that you can refer to, and if it isn't, you'll know for certain and can start looking for a replacement source. Yunshui 雲水 13:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Did you look at what Nikkimaria wrote? I provided a list of people who did source checks before, missing the 2017 BWV 125, again Nikkimaria? It has been regarded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I did, and all three of the source checks were made by Wikipedians that I respect, but that doesn't really change the argument; their reviews don't set any precedent for future reviewers. Opinions differ; that's why we have talkpages and discussion boards to work things out. Yunshui 雲水 14:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
2017 reformation
I trust Brianboulton, Nikkimaria and Wehwalt more than a discussion board (it was six source reviews, BWV 172 22 165 4 161 125 - I didn't mention the last as recent). - Last year, my image was your peace bell. This year it's Hildegard in the year of the reformation, in a broad sense, but also the more narrow Protestant reformation 500 years ago. I want to do my little contribution, but there are limits. - I just supported Brianboulton's nom for 14 July which he made last year but withdrew for my sake, - there's no room for "Meine Seel erhebt den Herrn" in this year of the Reformation anyway. So many other articles are missing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
What do you think of you - uninvolved! - asking about the reliability of the Bach Cantatas Website? I could not sign a doubt in the expertise of the editors mentioned above, editors who are part of the FA process as long as I watch it, but you might not have that problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, you will have seen that there is now a discussion, reviewing the removal of helpful information, and I seem to be the only one sad about that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
My minimal input there is kind of deliberate - I'm sorry to say it, but I think I do agree that we shouldn't be linking to Oron's site as a source. It's not the information that concerns me, it's the fact that the site contains some very probably copyright violations (of liner notes and cover art, although much of the latter is probably PD). WP:EL is absolutely clear that sites can't be linked to if they contain copyright violations. Yunshui 雲水 08:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I believe that if the labels would not agree to the reproduction of liner notes and cover art, they would have opposed years ago. I know the site since 2009, but it's there probably much longer. - Would you do a GA review for Ach Gott ...? I used the cite as reference only for the recordings, but could - if necessary - reference each recording separately. Poor readers, who then can't scroll easily on one page, where they can see other recordings also, but have to check out individual sites. As a (rather critical) reviewer once said: a recording is a recording - open information ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I've seen this, but am waiting for the RSN discussion to reach a conclusion before doing the GA review - not much point in doing a review only to see it overturned by consensus at RSN. Yunshui 雲水 08:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Understand. Presenting cover design, btw, is commonplace, see for example here, - it makes recordings recognizable. - Do you think people like Nikkimaria and Brianboulton will participate in the discussion? I doubt that, and can't ask them, firstly because it would be considered canvassing, secondly just to read all that stuff is what we call a Zumutung, - no English term, sorry, - I'd feel that I waste their lifetime. So we may end with a typical WP consensus of the uninvolved ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
ps: Wehwalt has participated, asking a question that was not answered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
You can take the next GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
It's a date! Yunshui 雲水 12:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
It will be Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147, and I plan to add only details to the movements, from here, - if you like, start reading ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Formal GAN made --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

User: BeingCert

Hey! I thought I'd come to you since you were the one who blocked BeingCert. The user(s) of the account have started promoting the company on their talk page, so it might be worth revoking talk page access. Jiten Dhandha • talk • contributions • 09:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

More IDHT

This edit summary is not promising.

He might be bluffing, and your block actually made such an impression on him that he took two weeks off to reflect on his behaviour, but I wouldn't be surprised if this indicates more of the same. This wouldn't be the first time he suddenly revealed something weeks after the fact that retroactively made all efforts to communicate with him during that time pointless. First it was his poor English meaning he hadn't actually read most of what was addressed to him, and now he went on holiday (or something) for two weeks right before getting blocked.

We'll see, anyway...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dorothy Hazard

Hello! Your submission of Dorothy Hazard at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Blocking a second account

Hi Yunshui, a little while earlier you blocked BookingAliSabri. It seems there is another account, AlisabriInfo, carrying on essentially the same activity on Ali Sabri (Official). Is this an account you wouldn't mind WP:DUCK-blocking? It seems clear from User:AlisabriInfo that they are only here to promote the subject. Thanks, /wiae /tlk 15:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks like another admin already got to it! Thanks anyway, /wiae /tlk 18:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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Red links

DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Dorothy Hazard

On 16 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dorothy Hazard, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Dorothy Hazard, a preacher's wife, led a group of women in the defence of Bristol during the English Civil War? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy Hazard. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dorothy Hazard), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 12:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that one! - Sorry about the image, I looked at the big 1643, not the small 1923. - Can you find places to mention her, - the church, Bristol? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Today (17 days later than wanted): ... that Martin Janus wrote the original lyrics of "Jesu, meiner Seelen Wonne", which Bach used in a cantata in a setting known as Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Proxy IPs

Hi,

I see that you've blocked 108.179.54.170 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) as an open proxy. Would you mind changing the block for 5.202.52.153 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) to {{blocked proxy}} as well? Thanks. 2601:1C0:105:D9F2:8460:2EED:6C93:6013 (talk) 10:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

What makes you think that IP is a proxy? I can't see any confirmation that it is. Yunshui 雲水 10:45, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I guess it doesn't say "confirmed proxy" on whatismyipaddress.com, but I just figured that it might be a proxy because they switched to it straight after you blocked 108.179.54.170. 2601:1C0:105:D9F2:8460:2EED:6C93:6013 (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Regardless, they're talkpage access should probably be disabled, too. @El C: 2601:1C0:105:D9F2:8460:2EED:6C93:6013 (talk) 10:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
It's possible, but I'm not comfortable handing out proxblocks to IPs when I'm not 100% sure they really are on proxy servers, sorry. With you on the TP access, though. Yunshui 雲水 10:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Another IP just showed up. See 84.42.79.247 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). 2601:1C0:105:D9F2:8460:2EED:6C93:6013 (talk) 11:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I've emailed the emergency channel at Wikimedia, so they can look at passing the guy's info on to his local law enforcement. Yunshui 雲水 11:23, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
And again from 114.38.130.106 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). (which was already blocked by someone else) 2601:1C0:105:D9F2:8460:2EED:6C93:6013 (talk) 11:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that sort of thing is never going to hang around for more that a minute or two at most. Yunshui 雲水 11:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to ask about this again...

AffeL (talk · contribs) has twice explicitly[1][2] and once implicitly[3] attributed this edit by me to Curly Turkey (talk · contribs). Given that he responded to your block of him a month ago by disappearing for two weeks and with his first edit "lol"ling at the idea that he had been blocked (he still hasn't stricken or otherwise retracted the original comments either), it's really difficult to take this as a good-faith failure to word his comments properly.

For the moment I'm just posting this here to ask you to keep an eye on him. There's currently an SPI open and another NPA block might be redundant if he gets a 3RR block or EWLO block. And honestly I wouldn't hold it against you if you read the above comments as using "you" in the plural and read "five reverts" as either (a) a rough estimate of the actual number of reverts CT made or (b) including CT's initial edit, which was not a direct revert of anyone else, in his total revert count.

I'm also gonna be upfront about the fact that I directly asked EdJohnston to block AffeL earlier today and he refused; I don't think I am "admin-shopping" given that I only now noticed the roundabout sockpuppetry accusations (if they were what I wanted EdJohnston to look at, I would have just asked you instead) and that I am not asking you to block him, but if you want to take this as admin-shopping, then you can just ignore it.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay, AffeL has retracted the insinuation, so you can just ignore the above whether or not you think it was admin-shopping. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:54, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

User page

Aloha! I deleted your user page on Commons to get rid of that stupid slur. I also protected your page until 8/7/17 admin only. If you need anything else, i.e. longer protection, something else, just let me know on my talk page on Commons. Best, C(_) --Hedwig in Washington (TALK) 01:36, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Much obliged - I'm hardly ever on Commons so wasn't aware of any slur. Given the user's contributions here, though, I can hazard a guess that it wasn't terribly pleasant. Yunshui 雲水 08:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Paxos & itBit company pages

HI Yunshui - me again :) I have a quick follow up question re: requesting changes for our corporate profiles. I left notes on the corporate wiki talkpage (I think that was the right thing to do, but if not, let me know), but haven't seen any changes (I believe I did this on June 5th). Do you know what the typical timeframe is and/or any other details on the process I should be aware of? Thanks so much again for all of your help!

DOrlando (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi DOrlando. The two edit requests you made have both been declined - I can't be sure (there wasn't much in the way of commentary by the closer), but I suspect this may be because they were made in the wrong place. My fault; I should have been clearer when I pointed you to the edit request process. Every article on Wikipedia has its own talkpage (accessed via the Talk tab at the top) - the places you need to post these edit requests are at Talk:Paxos (company) and Talk:ItBit, respectively.
Timeframes vary, but if your request is clear and well-sourced it is much more likely to be acted upon. Yunshui 雲水 08:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks so much Yunshui! I've made those requests on the individual talk pages. I really appreciate your help, as always. Have a great weekend! DOrlando (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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Well, this is embarrassing...

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Yunshui (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Ahem... In the process of blocking my test account, User:Yunshui-tester (checking something raised at User talk:Worm That Turned), I appear to have inadvertently locked myself Wikipedia with the autoblock (I thought admins were exempt, but that clearly isn't the case)... could a friendly passing admin please unblock that account? Yunshui 雲水 11:04, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I think I cleared it. Kuru (talk) 11:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Kuru: Mais non (but thanks nonetheless!) - I think you'll need to nuke the autoblock as well. Yunshui 雲水 11:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Although actually it expires in about ten minutes anyway - I think I can wait it out. Thanks! Yunshui 雲水 11:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Odd, clearing the autoblock was all I did. Just cleared the primary block as well. Kuru (talk) 11:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind me bursting out laughing here. WormTT(talk) 12:06, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Honestly, you try to do a guy a favour... welp, at least I've learned a useful lesson about autoblocks. Yunshui 雲水 12:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Though, did you get a proper block message? It might just be me WormTT(talk) 12:13, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I did, as it happens - I'm somewhat loathe to try again... Have thrown it over to the Pump crowd anyway. Yunshui 雲水 12:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Problem diagnosed; it's because you insist on using that defunct old dialect of British English. Get with the program and start utilizing proper American spellings, y'all. Yunshui 雲水 12:52, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I will not bow to the colonials. The moment we let them take over, we start to lose at Scrabble. I'm not having it. Now, I need to have a cup of tea. Ironic because I am actually drinking a cup of tea WormTT(talk) 14:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Given the way my daughter speaks, I fear the battle may already be lost. Tea is all we have now... Yunshui 雲水 14:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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SPI

Would you be at all available for spending a bit of time using your CU tool? We are in the midst of a huge onslaught of socks. Sbb23 has semi-retired, Katie is doing her best, but there is now a huge backlog and no clerks seem to be working there at the moment either. Some of us are spending up to 14 hours a day trying to piece evidence together manually but it's not fair to expect them to that and they will soon give up all together like they did at NPP. Cheers. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I do dip in to SPI occasionally, but I'll try and make my visits there a little less sporadic - if there's any specific case you want me to look over, feel free to drop me a note. Yunshui 雲水 07:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
This may or may not be related: Earlier this year, you blocked User:Psammie1212 for undisclosed paid editing. A new account has popped up whose single purpose is to get a deleted page restored; see these diffs. I didn't find an SPI case for Psammie1212, so I don't know what transpired that led to blocking that account.
@Kudpung: if there is a dearth of checkusers available, perhaps a call should go out for volunteers? I'm willing to step up and volunteer, same as I did to become an admin when a similar call went out in 2010 (and I'm kinda sorry I did that since my content contributions really went down after seeing everything that needs mopping up). But I have no idea where I would even apply to become a checkuser; all I know is to look for ArbCom announcements. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
The way they appoint CUs is rather strange. They call for candidtaes and there is a thing that looks like an election page but the actual appointments are made on what appears to be an arbitrary selection in camera, so perhaps if one of the arbs just doesn't like you, you don't get it.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
As I recall from my time on ArbCom, we put all of the names in a sort of magical goblet, which then spat out the names of three Checkuser champions. J.K. Rowling nicked the idea from us.
Psammie1212 wasn't blocked based on CU data (and is too old to check at the moment anyway) - sockpuppetry wasn't a concern at the time, so there isn't an existing case for them. Feel free to kick off a new one if you think Iflo1221 is them, but my initial thinking is that they aren't related. The block on Psammie1212 was because we received an OTRS ticket from one of their clients, and after investigating their edit history, I became convinced that they were taking jobs from Fiverr or E-lancing. I blocked them for undisclosed paid editing (and I notice that they never contested this). Iflo1221 (despite the similar username) seems to be interested only in the Serbsican article, suggesting that they may be either directly working for Serbsican or possibly also picking up freelance editing jobs independently of Psammie1212. Note also that Psammie1212 never contested the deletion of any of their articles, nor did they communicate with other users. Seems like a slightly different modud operandi to me. Yunshui 雲水 07:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
The goblet is also great for raspberries, stick them all in and three extra juicy ones come out. WormTT(talk) 12:23, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Extra-juicy, but perhaps also slightly singed... Yunshui 雲水 15:41, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Let's Please Speak

Hello Yunshui,

Can we jump on Skype for a few minutes to get this resolved, please. It has gotten way out of hand. I am in Pacific Time and my Skype address is "lonsafko". Or we can communicate through email if you prefer ay LonSafko@LonSafko.com.

Thank you!

Lon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonsafko (talk • contribs) 14:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't do Skype or IRC. If you want to communicate with me, this is the place to do it. You can email me at yunshuiwiki@gmail.com if you need to discuss private information such as real-life user identities, but this talkpage is preferable for non-private matters. Yunshui 雲水 14:54, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

ultimate Produtcs

Can I recover the page and amend accordingly please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Austrums (talk • contribs) 15:45, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome to recreate the page without including copied text. However, since the earlier versions of the page contained copyright violations, they won't be restored. Yunshui 雲水 15:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - how do I access the text that you deleted please. It took me a considerable amount of time to write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Austrums (talk • contribs) 15:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

The original text was copied from this article. I would recommend a complete rewrite, however - not only is the wording there somewhat promotional (it reads like a press release), but as pointed out above, you can't use that text anyway. Yunshui 雲水 15:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks - how can I access the original text please, it provided a good structure (evident in it being published by Wikipedia) and I will, of course, remove offending passages

Please don't keep adding new sections to this page. You don't seem to have understood this - the text of the Wikipedia article was copied from the text of the source. You cannot use the source's text on Wikipedia. You must write in your own words. Please read the relevant policy very carefully before you do anything else. Yunshui 雲水 16:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


Indeed - but a lot of the article didn't contain copyrighted text - in fact, I spent considerable time writing. IF oyu'd be so kind as to point me in the direction of where I can find this, I can get on with rewriting it, thus contributing to the community knowledge pool — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Austrums (talk • contribs) 16:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

In short, where is the text? I'll remove offending passages and replace with non-copyrighted text... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Austrums (talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I have emailed you a copy of the last version of the page. Note that as an editor with a conflict of interest you should not be creating or editing articles about your clients, however. Yunshui 雲水 08:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Help

Hello Yunahui Equalcompare (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Please suggest me the editing mistakes solutions Equalcompare (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Equalcompare. If you're referring to the broken references you mentioned on your talkpage, I already fixed them. Yunshui 雲水 08:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth

I didn't mean to give the impression of gravedancing. I actually told IVORK and CT off for that on the article talk page on which I pinged you, although (again) I don't blame you for not reading that. I may have been a bit verbose (it's me -- remember the first time we met?), but I tried to remain focused in everything I wrote on one or more of the following:

  • (a) to your CU block;
  • (b) to the SPI that (as far as I know) was the only reason you were allowed perform the CU (my understanding is that "routine CUs" are not or are no longer a thing, and there needs to be strong evidence of sockpuppetry, but again I may be wrong);
  • (c) to the user's unblock request (which explicitly referred to their previous contributions to the project)
  • (d) to the user's previous, similar, unblock request (my understanding is that repeat offenders can't make a ROPE defense and ask for an unconditional unblock to prove their good faith more than once); or
  • (e) to a possible unblock condition that could be imposed, for the same reason given in (d).

(e) is, of course, where I may have veered a bit into problematic discussion of edits I take as being disruptive, but which had nothing to do with the reason for you, but there again I was trying to help a reviewing admin assess what should be done given that an unconditional unblock is probably out of the question at this point. Promising never again to use more than one account or edit logged out to evade scrutiny would not really be an appropriate condition, as that was a condition in 2014.

And just for the record, I really didn't want to post here. I very nearly responded to you on the user's talk page, but there appeal was declined before I could and defending myself against "gravedancing" implications there seemed inappropriate after that point. As I said when I closed the discussions on the article talk page (again, I really don't want to bait you into reading possible spoilers, but I'm assuming you'll take my word for it) I don't think discussion of recently blocked editors anywhere but their talk pages is really appropriate. The only reason I'm writing this here (rather than emailing you) is that I was once blocked for "gravedancing" (admittedly on the "grave" of someone who was only going to be "dead" for a month, so no one actually said "gravedancing", but still) and I don't want it to be thought that I don't learn from my mistakes.

Anyway, sorry again for the verboseness!

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:26, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

...and then I realized that the above made it look like I was deflecting the question you apparently posed as to whether I, for reasons unrelated to sockpuppetry, feel relief that the user was blocked, for sockpuppetry reasons. I didn't mean to imply that I wasn't relieved, or that the fact that I was might have coloured the way I wrote the above-discussed verbose comments aimed at the blocked user, the one who issued advice to the blocked user in February, the one who commented on the blocked user's spelling, and the (then-future) appeal-reviewer. I just am not comfortable discussing that because, again, openly saying that I was relieved could give the impression of gravedancing. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
No need for an explanation. There was nothing sanctionable in what you (or anyone else) had said up to that point, but I could see that things might be trending towards a bit of a pile on, and wanted to give commentators cause to double-check what they were planning to post. I think it unlikely that the block will be lifted any time soon, so aside from keeping a weather eye out for sockpuppets you can basically just ignore AffeL and carry on editing. Yunshui 雲水 07:38, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Pontius Pilate

That's a sock, can't recall what editor was adding the same thing to other articles though. Doug Weller talk 13:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Herbert McCallum. Lot of socks pushing that silly theory; I must've blocked four or five towards the end of last week. Hopefully the kid'll get bored soon. Yunshui 雲水 08:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

YGM

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Replied Yunshui 雲水 08:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Sir...

I need information about this "Anurag Choudhary" page article why the edit option not available on there,please give me a right way for this problem. Aguinara Deoliveira (talk) 10:35, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, reeeal subtle. Blocked. Yunshui 雲水 10:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Japanese bamboo weaving

Hallo Yunshui,

I saw that you contributed a while ago in this area, would you be able to help in improving this article Japanese bamboo weaving? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Gryffindor (talk) 09:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

That's a very decent article you've built there. I'm not going to be free to take a proper look until next week, I'm afraid, but congratulations on a very nice piece of work. Yunshui 雲水 10:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I try. I think you are much more knowledgeable, so any input from you will be most welcome. Also if you know anyone else interested in this topic or has information, please spread the word? Gryffindor (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

semi-protect an article please.

I've no idea if I should be asking you, or if there is somewhere official to make a request. You recently dealt with an SPI case that I was involved in - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sleeping_is_fun and blocked a sock account, thanks. Unfortunately, one of the articles that the socks were hitting, are now being hit by IPs. Maybe a coincidence (but probably not) - I've made an SPI report, but considering that three different IPs have been used already, I doubt blocking IPs is going to solve anything.

So, could you semi protect the article in question, please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_massacre_of_1871

Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Begging admins to protect any article in which IP users disagree with you is not how you handle disputes like a mature adult. 172.56.15.250 (talk) 13:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Limbs Dance Company

In 2013, you deleted the page Limbs Dance Company. The reasons you gave were A7 and G11. The dance company is very notable, e.g. coverage: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/back-in-the-day-limbs-dance-company-shows-off-their-moves-q05320, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1984/10/17/limbs-dance-company/f22e21cc-760e-47c4-a68d-aa7d51dbd1c4/?utm_term=.0b779b5967de, https://www.nzonscreen.com/search?commit=Search&search_term=limbs+dance+company&utf8=✓ http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/07/arts/dance-troupe-from-new-zealand.html?mcubz=0 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LgXgCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&lpg=PT98&dq=limbs+dance+company&source=bl&ots=uzkvDzocnR&sig=EnLDLtLI4d3v65a9PYEs6jr9kr4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHtv_Ah-DVAhXiLMAKHYQ9B3c4ChDoAQhJMAc#v=onepage&q=limbs%20dance%20company&f=false http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/virt-exhib/realgold/Arts/limbs.html https://www.teara.govt.nz/en/contemporary-dance/page-3 etc. etc. etc. I can't read the previous text, so cannot comment on G11, but I would like to recreate this page. Could you at least provide me with the previous text of the page so that I can address any issues of promotion by rewriting the text. I've emailed you so that you can use that email address to send me the text if you prefer.

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Ignore this, I have been provided with a copy of the page. Ross-c (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Image advice?

I used to have this image (which I drew) on my userpage. While I was on hiatus from Wikipedia, it was deleted as a derivative work based on a copyrighted image, which I now see would be a copyright problem, because my drawing looks too much like the copyrighted source it's parodying. I know you have some expertise in the area of acceptable images for use on Wikipedia, so I was hoping you could help me figure out how distantly a version of the image would have to be from the original to not trip over the derivative-work issue; for example, could I draw a picture of a completely different-looking cat and retain the caption? I would really appreciate your advice. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 02:11, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

That's a really interesting question. I'm going to preface my answer with the standard slew of disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, it's just my opinion, you should probably check with someone else, your edits are your responsibility etc. etc. Now that I'm protected from any chance of you suing me if I get this wrong, here's my thinking:
You've basically got three separate-but-related elements here with regards to copyright issues. They are:
  • the image of a cat
  • the text of the caption
  • the juxtaposition of the caption and the image
Images of cats are literally all over the internet, and lots of them are free - finding or creating a free picture of a cat should not pose any great problem for you. The caption is more complicated. I have no idea whether the phrase "I can has cheezburger?" is under copyright or not, given its internet ubiquity, but I suspect that it probably isn't technically free to reuse (if anyone owns it, it's probably Ben Huh). Sentences that closely resemble the phrase "I can has cheezburger?" would likely fall afoul of Wikipedia's rule on plagiarism, although if you attributed the caption you might be able to get around that - we do allow quotations.
I suspect, though, that even with a free image and a quotation, you might still not be out of the woods. The unique creative expression of the "I can has cheezburger?" meme (there's a phrase I never thought I'd write) is generated by the juxtaposition of text and image. Therefore, it could be argued that any artwork which made use of a phrase similar to "I can has cheezburger?" superimposed over a picture of a cat would be a derivative work, regardless of whether the cat or the text were exactly the same. The same text over a picture of a squirrel might be considered a derivative work; the same text over a picture of a lawnmower probably wouldn't.
Obviously you could use a derivative work - or even the original meme - under a claim of fair use, but Wikipedia's non-free image policy only applies to articles; you can't make a fair use claim for pictures in userspace.
At the end of the day, my tl;dr answer is - dunno. You might want to try asking at WP:CQ. Sorry not to have been more help... Yunshui 雲水 08:01, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
No need to apologize, Yunshui; I asked for your opinion, and you gave it to me in greater detail than I had hoped for. Thanks for considering the issue so thoroughly. I think I will see if I can find a suitable free image and alter the caption to "I may has grammar?" — that's hopefully far enough from the original not to constitute trademark or copyright violation, and projects such as the LolCat bible seem to indicate that "lolspeak" itself is not protected intellectual property — and then consult WP:CQ before uploading anything else. Thanks again, GrammarFascist contribstalk 19:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
With my not-a-professional-copyright-lawyer hat pulled firmly down around my ears, I'd say that free cat image + "I may has grammar?" caption ≠ copyright violation. I reckon that would be okay (but gaze also upon this fine hat I am wearing...). Yunshui 雲水 19:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Despite being enchanted by your splendiferous hat, I eventually got around to asking at WP:CQ as you suggested. Taking the advice I received there, I made a new and improved image, which you can now see on my userpage if you're interested. (A helpful editor over at Commons also fixed the info template for me, and didn't just flag the image for deletion, so hopefully this time I've done the image right.) Thanks again for offering so much help. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 00:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Just to let you know

... the top of an iceberg with which to deal I have no time, nor enough strength. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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Help with request for CGCN Group

Hi Yunshui! Not sure if you recall, but you helped review and move a draft article of mine for Purple Strategies back in 2013. For a current project, I'm working on a similar topic—the article for CGCN Group—and I wondered if you would be interested in reviewing a couple of short edit requests I posted to improve the article. These initial requests are straightforward: I'm looking to update the infobox and create an Overview section that gives a snapshot of the company work. Similar to the work on Purple Strategies, I have a financial conflict of interest as I'm here on behalf for CGCN Group as part of my work at Beutler Ink. As I don't make any direct edits myself, I'm looking for uninvolved editors such as yourself to review my suggestions. Thanks in advance for considering! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 20:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I've changed the infobox and have incorporated some of the text changes; notes on the relevant talkpage. Yunshui 雲水 08:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Media Link Daniel Group s 5728medium.jpg deletion request. Not yet deleted but proposed fo deletion

I post here because the photo 5728medium.jpg was not yet deleted and hope to get a reply before it gets approved for deletion. I found myself with this warning on my user talk page so i wanted to understand what can i do about it, also because i acquired (or even better payed ) the photo copyright on a photo galley website that claimed that i could MAKE USE of this image without further copyright claims. As last solution i was wondering if i put you're author name on the template ca it work or cancel the deletion request? Here are all the details that i can provide regarding this issue so i hope we can clear this issue

selling domain: https://www.dreamstime.com/ i also have a payment recipient for this image Handsome business man File ID: 57285405 License: Royalty Free

So all i can think about is 2 things ... 1 I've been fraud'ed or Daniel Grop (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2017 (UTC) 2 How does Wikipedia really work's?

You really need to drop that <ref>-tagged link in your signature... When you upload a picture to Wikipedia, you are releasing it under a free licence for anyone to reuse, for any purpose, in perpetuity (see WP:CC-BY-SA, although in practice any free licence can be used for images). You cannot legally do that unless you own the copyright. You do not own the copyright on this image, you own the right to use the image without having to pay for it again, which does not allow you to change its licence. The actual copyright remains with the photographer or image host, unless they've become quite appalling lax in writing their contracts. You haven't been defrauded, you're just trying to do something which you aren't legally allowed to do.
As to how Wikipedia works - it's a collaborative encyclopedia: you work with others to create and update articles about anything that meets the inclusion requirements. If you want to learn about how the place operates, a good place to start is the Five Pillars - get your head around those and you've understood 90% of what we do here. Yunshui 雲水 14:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Soulwatcher SPI

Hi, you blocked Soulwatcher as a sock of Dog and rapper vandal, the sock was editwarring on the Stephen Thompson (fighter), we now have two new accounts editwarring there, Tempestdad (talk · contribs) & Thetruthwithin (talk · contribs), can you take a look please. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:30, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Tempestdad is 100% confirmed - Thetruthwithin less so, but the dude hops around quite a bit. Flying visit, gotta go now - will take a look tomorrow. Yunshui 雲水 20:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

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User:Slothflipper

I'm confused about how the checkuser came about for Slothflipper (talk · contribs). I'm not seeing a SPI report, and don't know where else to look. I'd assume that some of the ip's involved in the edit-warring would be checked as well... Who was checked? --Ronz (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Mauceric --Ronz (talk) 19:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I actually ran that check based solely on what I saw in the Dennis Prager page history; I hadn't realised there was an SPI open for them or I'd have logged the findings there. Many thanks for the link! Yunshui 雲水 20:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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