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Category:59th National Film Awards

Hey. I saw your message at commons on my talk page. I also observed that you have removed all the files under this category. It was created per FL review for the article. Is there any reason for which we shouldnt be doing it? Same has been done for Academy Awards. I thought you would be more reachable here than commons so pinged here. - Vivvt • (Talk) 11:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The category the way it's been named (on Commons) should be for images from the 59th National Film Awards, not for photographs of people who were nominees of those, but taken elsewhere. e.g. If you create Commons:Category:59th National Film Awards winners (or nominees), then those could include categories such as Commons:Category:Javed Jaffrey or images of those without a category, but the category as it was titled wasn't the right place for those images. On the FL review I don't see where it calls for a category on Commons and I know that's not a normal FL requirement. Hope this helps. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 11:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
This is what it says on FL review. "Remove the gallery section as per WP:IG. You may create a category in Wikimedia commons for that, and then link the category in the external links section.". Per your comments and FL review, I will create a category at commons with the name Commons:Category:59th National Film Awards winners (if not created earlier) and will link it to the article. - Vivvt • (Talk) 11:54, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Galleries are not categories on Commons. See Commons:Mohandas K. Gandhi for an example of a gallery. So in this case you'll need to create Commons:59th National Film Awards winners and place that in Commons:Category:National Film Awards winners. It's better to do it this way rather than have 60 categories of Film Awards winners. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 12:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Sure. That makes sense. Thanks for the inputs. - Vivvt • (Talk) 12:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Is something like this acceptable? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Plum or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tulip. This looks like a page/gallery itself with all related images. Can we make something like this? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 05:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

That is exactly what I was suggesting to do, the Gandhi example above is a gallery like Plum and Tulip. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
That's good. Animesh, can you take up that task for today? I will be able to do it only at the EOD today otherwise. - Vivvt • (Talk) 11:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh! I din't see your link. Silly me! & Vivvt, I couldn't do that today. Was all busy. Will do that tomorrow. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. I'm done. See here. - Vivvt • (Talk) 00:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Urgently need your help.

Hi, hope this finds you well. I would like to turn your attention to, and seek your help in serving what I believe would be justice in the Kerala article.

User:Ashley_thomas80 had tried to change the section name titled "Kerala in religious traditions" to "Kerala and Hindu Mythology" or something to that effect a couple of times in the past but was reverted by Admins. He has now caught hold of user User:Drmies who is working hand-in-glove with him whilst completely ignorant of the topic under debate. I would like to keep to myself as to what feelings motivate User:Drmies to do so.

Now coming to the point, for several months, the order in the aforementioned section was "chronological". I am not against the section being renamed as it has been. ButI thought the chronology issue was thrashed out months back between myself and a few other users - South Indian, non-South Indian Indian, American etc. We arrived, I thought then, at a consensus that the order could be chronological. The mention of the Malaya Mountains in the Matsya Purana was put first; the Mahabali legend second; and the Parasurama story third. That is the order that they occur in according all traditions in Hinduism.

Ashley (for reasons I believe know) wants to see the Parasurama legend mentioned first. Please kindly visit the revision history of the article and also read what I had written up on this in the Talk page for the same at - [[1]].

I would still re-list what I believe are wrong with the section :-

1) As I mentioned already, the order should be chronological.

2) There are vague/weasel wordings like The oldest of the surviving Puranas, the Matsya Purana, has a mention of Malaya Mountains of Kerala while it sets the story of Matsya

3) There is a rather illogical statement (more a geoscientific one) made by a conventional historian like Sreedhara Menon, that parts of Kerala were actually under the sea according to scholars, when any such thing is far from the truth according to modern science. In ANY event why should such a statement be included in a section devoted purely to mythology/legends/traditions?

Ashley has made a blasphemous comment that the Parasurama legend is more linked with Kerala than the Mahabali one. But to any non-Mallu/non-Keralite, can Kerala be without Onam, Onam without Mahabali, or Kerala without Mahabali. OTOH, I can vouch for that 90% of non-Mallus and non-Keralites would be totally ignorant of the Parasurama story. And then Drmies speaks of "consensus" when the only two people who have commented and are against me in this are AT and himself the latter being completely ignorant of the substance.

I hope I make sense to you and that you find my reasoning right. In any event I think the Mahabali story would be put before the Parasurama one at least. Please step in and help me here. SumerianPrince (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Discuss on the talk page with reliable sources. You are not helping your case by edit warring and speaking in abstract. —SpacemanSpiff 18:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
The sources added to the relevant portions of the article are reliable enough and nobody is doubting their veracity. I didn't even once speak about the sources.

My point is - to put it as shortly and simply as possible that - the order in the section should be chronological and not the way it is. It is a matter of opinion rather than the concerned sources being reliable or otherwise. Could you please have a look at the section I am talking about, my message on the talk page, and then weigh in there? SumerianPrince (talk) 19:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Opinion

Would you mind weighing in your opinion: 1 and 2 —Vensatry (Ping me) 10:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

It's unlikely to get deleted, if someone creates Nellikuppam Metropolitan Area that is either likely to be kept, merged or redirected with history intact. I find that participating in such debates is generally a drain on my time. good luck though! —SpacemanSpiff 18:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and the Thrissur one is a creation of Jpullokaran. I don't have time to investigate further right now, but the contribution history reeks of it, if you find any evidence of copyvios, (Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Jpullokaran), let me or Moonriddengirl know. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Over the next decade, there are possibilities that even a city like Vellore could have it's own Metropolitan area. I remember that not very long ago MikeLynch started a discussion on the article's talk page to make this a redirect to the parent article. Ultimately no consensus was made then. —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Mughal Lohar back

For quite a while,I'd say. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mughal Lohar. If you look here] you can see he came back to that article in May. Must be more sock accounts around also. Dougweller (talk) 18:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Sigh, we knew that he wouldn't go away. Is it time to semiprotect all pages related to him and also create protect the articles? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
That's quite a few, but maybe a good idea. No movement on the SPI yet. I hope they check for sleepers(well, I hope they find my diff enough to be willing to do anything, they are tougher now). Dougweller (talk) 05:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

We appear to have some thoughts in common

Encyclopaedia, indeed. Who would ever believe that? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the marketing folks did a good job by adding the "pedia" to the end of the name. Either ways, I think it's probably a more productive use of good editor's time to actually publish good articles on blogspot as they wouldn't have to go through the trouble of having to keep bovine and equine excrement from creeping in, and more importantly, they wouldn't have to justify keeping it out per XYZ policy which is some oft quoted but seldom applied edict. Good luck with your efforts though! cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 15:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I treat this place as an amusing academic exercise in writing stuff that passes the rather arcane and unduly bureaucratic policies, procedures and guidelines. As a pastime it is technically challenging to second guess the bewildered, and it provides a relief from stress ;) Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, you might find this amuses you. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think it has gone past being amusing to being annoying for me, and a visit to ANI, XfD, etc etc will just tell you how Randy holds this place hostage! —SpacemanSpiff 17:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I had not seen that essay before. All Hail Randy! Ah, wait. All Hail Randy II. Nonetheless one must try. But one must remember that this is not the real world, and, ultimately, is unimportant. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Rani300

Enough final warnings for this editor. They are messing with protection template on Jacqueline Fernandez yet again, as well as moving a user page as you saw. BollyJeff | talk 03:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

There's something fishy going on here, there are I think a few socks, Sonu101 is one sock and there are a couple of others at least. I blocked one earlier I think. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the mess to figure it out. I'll handle this in the next day or two, but if you can check these two for hoaxes, please let me know. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 03:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Social unity among indian christians

Thanks for your speedy deletion of this article. It seems User:Christianjoseph89 is a new SPA who doesn't want to play by the rules, and has also made accusations at User talk:The JPS - Arjayay (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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Battle of Udgir

This is a recreation of an article deleted because it was created by a MrPontiac sock. Surely Listspace.wrd (talk · contribs) whose only edits were to recreate it is also a sock. Dougweller (talk) 18:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Between the two of them, and Sridharbabu they've managed to create every possible problem in that space! I deleted a couple of Lohar's articles the other day, I think you've got the rest from what I saw today? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I hope so. What/who is Sridharbabu? Dougweller (talk) 14:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
It's that Sridhar100/1000 etc. I've been tracking him here and on Commons, it's impossible to keep up!—SpacemanSpiff 15:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Maratha people

Hi SpacemanSpiff!

Recently u deleted Category:Maratha people. I don't know why it was nominated and why it was deleted.

But I know one thing that Rajput and Jat are also castes like Maratha. If Category:Rajput people and Categoty:Jat people can exist, then what is the problem with Category:Maratha people ? Siddharthkumarwikipedia (talk) 14:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 17. —SpacemanSpiff 15:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I have seen that discussion, but can't comment there as that discussion has closed now. If the template 'Category:Maratha people' was deleted because Maratha is a caste, then Category:Rajput people and Categoty:Jat people should also be deleted. Either both of these categories should also be deleted or 'Category:Maratha people' should be restored as wikipedia's policy should be same for all castes.

Can u please tell me whats the procedure for requesting restoration of 'Category:Maratha people' ? Siddharthkumarwikipedia (talk) 07:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Consensus on both the India project and at Categories for Discussion is not to have these categories. —SpacemanSpiff 08:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

And another

Quickly editing another article to get their 10 edits. GHU567 (talk · contribs). Dougweller (talk) 15:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

God, I have half a mind to protect these talk pages too. Pontiac's been active in other areas too. —SpacemanSpiff 17:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Blocked as a Mughal Lohar sock, but I think Pontiac due to chattiness. Dougweller (talk) 17:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's Lohar, doesn't have Pontiac's trademark this one. The chattiness of Pontiac's a bit different (I'll email you some diffs later). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

regarding your recent comment in my talkpage

The recent edits which i made was right. Sridevi is not a brahmin. But it was reported she is. thats why i changed. Geocraze (talk) 06:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

And I will say once more to you. Your opinion does not matter, we document well reported content. You've been engaging in long-term disruption with copyvios and BLP vios. Please stop, or your editing privileges are very likely to be revoked. —SpacemanSpiff 06:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you provide a source which says Sridevi is an iyengar and brahmin ?? Geocraze (talk) 06:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You are the one that's going around changing it with inflammatory sources. You did this with Genelia D'Souza last week, now this. —SpacemanSpiff 06:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you please answer my question now : Can you provide a source which says Sridevi is an iyengar and brahmin ?? provide a source to prove that my edit was wrong.. the article was actually fine.. recently an unknown user has edited them.. thats why i corrected them.. just provide me an answer.. Geocraze (talk) 06:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

And I'm going to tell you again: Did you check the source that's already there, why did you change the name to "Yanger"? —SpacemanSpiff 06:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Just check if that link says her name is "Iyyengar" Geocraze (talk) 06:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

So, it says Yanger? I'm trying to understand you here, you use an inflammatory edit summary to change the last name, because someone else vandalized the page and you're revandalizing to revert that? —SpacemanSpiff 06:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

no i changed it to "Yanger" referring to this source :- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004437/bio Just check my previous contributions in wikipedia.. m not a vandalizer Geocraze (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

So, someone comes and changes based on one unreliable source and you change based on another? I left that warning after I saw the multiple warnings on your talk page, and I also clearly remember the Genelia incident too, where you pretty much did the same thing on those articles. —SpacemanSpiff 06:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

leave it.. am not going to argue anymore.. let it be a wrong information as it is now after u reverted.. i dont know then what u consider as a reliable source.. Geocraze (talk) 06:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC) good that you have removed all the unreliable information from that article.. -- Geocraze (talk) 07:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Indira Gandhi

One of IP user had added irrelevant contents in legislative career section.Though i've removed some of the contents.I'm confused regarding that topic and I dont know how to restore its earlier form.Please take a look.Thank You 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS☣ 08:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Restoring the deleted page of Madhu Pandit Dasa

Dear SpacemanSpiff,

I am manjunath, wikipedian of Akshaya Patra Foundation, we found the page of Madhu Pandit Das chairman has been deleted. Now we want to restore it, please consider for deletion review. we are not active on our wikipedia page so that we cann't respond to comments against our page.

The URL of the wiki page 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Madhu_Pandit_Dasa'

Consider this for deletion review and restore the page

Thanks & Regards, Manjunath — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.77.218 (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, it was deleted via community discussion, so to restore the page, you'll have to submit a request at WP:DRV with new reliable source references to address the concerns from the past AfD. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Possible sock

Two articles of same genre List of accolades received by Pavitra Rishta and List of accolades received by Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi which were deleted under WP:CSD#G5 have been recreated recently by User:Srajput40. And they have created the first article as their very first edit with all formats used correctly. Can't be coincidence. I don't remember who the original creator was and hence can't file WP:SPI case.
This user is also creating articles of few production houses. Old sock User:Noor119848 has created many such. He is sock of Noormohammed satya. This could be him. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks possible, but as I'm not familiar, can you file an SPI? I'll watchlist the SPI and take admin action when needed. Once I'm familiar. Also, check out Rani300, that maybe linked too. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't know where to aim. Were the previous versions created by these Noors? Then i can file case under that master. And Rani seems independent of these. Noors work only on TV articles. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, all Noors. One account Satya Noormohammed appears to be not blocked, so this is a bright target for SPI. As I've never come across this editor before, I'll need to familiarize myself before I can do any duck blocks, so an SPI would help now. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 03:49, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Review of Madhu_Pandit_Das

Dear SpaceSpiff,

I want to present the following links on deletion review page url:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion which confirm Madhu Pandit Dasa’s notability as an eminent public personality.

Can mail me the approach for restoring is correct or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcr.manjunath (talk • contribs) 12:21, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see the instructions at WP:DRV. I'm afraid I can't help here (see my response to your earlier message, above). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Joke of the year

Hi Spaceman. I could not stop laughing at this after I saw it. What the user does not realise is that his so called complaint is archived as a WP:BOOMERANG. [2]. LOL! — Abhishek  Talk 19:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

removed Kashmiri Pandit category from Anupam Kher

Hi Spiff, you have removed the Kashmiri Pandit category from Anupam Kher. May I know the reason why ? -Ambar (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It has consensus both at WP:INDIA and CfD to not categorize biographies (living or otherwise) by caste. The category should only include topics related to Kashmiri Pandits, excluding biographies. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. However, in case of Anupam Kher, he has specifically in recent times, acted as a voice for the Kashmiri Pandit comunity and taken up their cause for rehabilitation in the valley. -Ambar (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Also, Kashmiri Pandit is a community or a clan and can not be classified as a caste. It may be a part of a caste section, however the Kashmiri Pandits themselves are not a caste. So the CfD does not apply. Thanks. -Ambar (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Just one example of how you will find the Kashmiri Pandits always being referred to as a Community and not a caste. Check in this book. There are several others, but I believe you will understand the point.-Ambar (talk) 18:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but no, this is the standard excuse, castes/clans and any other social group categories can not include biographies. If it does, the category will be deleted. —SpacemanSpiff 18:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, this is not an excuse, this is a fact. Where on WP:INDIA does it mention that communities can not be mentioned in biographies. Please provide the relavant link. Also, in case there is any article or credible source that mentions Kashmiri Pandits are a caste, then please provide that source. People who have clearly self identified themselves with the community must be included in the category. Anyways, I await your link to the India page article and then let me form my final opinion on this issue. -Ambar (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
All necessary links are at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_November_23#Category:Nair_people. Also, please remember that these edits are covered under WP:GS/Caste. —SpacemanSpiff 13:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I read the logs and for now I see that there is a clear consensus. However, I plan to keep this discussion open, specially on grounds that all communities in India are now included in some type of social caste (or sub-caste) system. Hence, certain ethnic identities and social traits, which would otherwise be well categorised using communities such as Nairs or Jats or Kashmiri Pandits would now remain uncategorised. I would still say that its not the caste that is the issue but the discrimination that goes with unfair treatment of different sections. In essence, they are two completely different things. To further add to this, its not the mentioning of caste names that we should be fighting againsts, but the exploitation that is linked with its misuse. Its a typical case where we decide not to eat tomatoes just because half of them were rotten. Anyways, for now I respect the voting of the net community, of which I too am becoming an integral part. -Ambar (talk) 06:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia and Can you delete this file File:Indian_Revenue_Service_Logo.png Replace it with commons file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_Revenue_Service_Logo.png and please point me to a simple tutorial on uploading images..

Thanks ! Vence1234 (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

You can take a look at WP:NFCC on the criteria for uploading non-free images. This is not an image owned by you or in the public domain, so you can not apply the licenses you did. Let me know if this helps. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 15:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

WP Chennai COTM

Requesting your opinion here -Anbu121 (talk me) 06:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Advise and help requested

This is regarding constant moving of Catholic Dioceses pages from Roman to Latin by one user user:PalakkappillyAchayan. I suppose you have warned him earlier in October 2011. In May 2012, another move Latin Catholic Diocese of Punalur. A help is requested as you are an administer who is aware of the history behind the move instances. The help - Could you please advise him again that there is no confusion in the church (see : Latin Church#.22Latin Catholic.22 and .22Roman Catholic.22. At least, have a discussion on talk page and reach consensus on the reason behind the move Jean Julius Vernal 16:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I've given a final warning, as this was pointed to me a while back too. I suggest you contact someone like User:John Carter who is familiar with the topic as they may be able to help too. However, if the disruption continues, let me know if the disruption continues. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. The intention is non - confrontational and highlight active use of talk page option on issues of mass moving and understand the motive / intention as it unclear. Jean Julius Vernal 16:38, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Socks about

Might want to keep an eye out on the deletion discussion for Category:Rajput people. One of our favorite sockers is getting sock happy. Elockid (Talk) 04:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh thanks, I meant to swing by and ask you about that one. So I'm guessing he's now using a proxy in Taiwan? —SpacemanSpiff 06:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
He's apparently been using proxies for a while along with one of his main ranges. I blocked his primary range, so he should be exclusively using proxies for now. Elockid (Talk) 12:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
That explains it, I've seen many different IPs doing what he does, but I'm quite bad at identifying proxies. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 12:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Malbars

Article used to say they are Tamil, now it doesn't. ? Dougweller (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with this, but there was a discussion on Talk:Tamil language / Talk:Tamil people about them (about 18-20 months back I think). I think that discussion ended as they are ethnically Tamil people but don't really speak the language any more as they have a creole or something. I'll see if I can dig anything more on this, but I think Kwami (if he's still around) may be able to help better. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's the link: Talk:Tamil_language#Réunion. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Wrong reverts

Dear SpacemanSpiff, you reverted over a dozen changes made by me on various articles. Reason you have cited in BLP vio. Please explain to me as to how are those BLP violations? I had also raised a question about this article, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this etc articles. Please explain if what I updated was a BLP violation then what do we call this? Are we dealing with BLP violation OR WP:GANG as you somehow mysteriously appear on lots of my work. Please enlighten me. Cheers AKS 19:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

First, read our policies. You have been indulging in copyright violations and BLP violations willy nilly and misusing rollback. Both your rollback and autoreviewer rights ought to be removed. If you can not understand WP:BLPCAT and continue to claim that you're editing correctly, then this isn't the place for you. I appear on a lot of your work because of your blatant copyright violations and now BLP violations. —SpacemanSpiff 19:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • If what you say is correct and it is a BLP violation, then why dont you make me understand as to how and why are the examples I gave above are not being reverted? Cheers AKS 19:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, I remember you now. You have an old grudge against me; don’t you? That's why you watch what I do and get into WP:GANG Cheers AKS 20:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Gopal Goyal Kanda

Let me know what you think. Loads of copyvio in it. Indian newspapers must work under very different libel laws than UK and US ones, looking at some of the language. I updated it as of the situation today. And semi-protected it. Dougweller (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I also see that Uncle G protected-redirected the fork of Geetika Sharma, so maybe this will stay a bit ok for a while. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 03:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Postage stamp images on commons

Hey. Are postage stamp images eligible for commons? Like this. Can you please confirm on this? - Vivvt • (Talk) 12:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

India stamps and British India stamps follow the applicable copyright law (+60 years in the case of the former). As India stamps weren't in PD prior to 1996, per URAA they are also not PD-US, therefore, not eligible for commons. —SpacemanSpiff 14:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. This image is not eligible then. - Vivvt • (Talk) 14:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Basically, I reported Justice007 to the Administrators' Notice Board because of Wikihounding me which started right after I supported deletion of Nandini Sahu, on the Articles for Deletion. I mentioned your exchange with Justice007 regarding civilty with other editors, which I believe he disregarded. Justice007 has a history of causing similar issues and perhaps it is time for a substantive intervention.--Juristicweb (talk) 12:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's ANI worthy right now as it's a very minor issue (unless some of the history is presented) that could be resolved on the talk page. Just for clarity though, I didn't comment on his civility (or lack thereof), just the validity of his AfD arguments. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Copyvio (?) at 59th National Film Awards

At the FLC it was pointed out that the citations, (written in all award rows, hidden ones) are copyvios. Per our norms of presenting quotes, all quotations are to be "used verbatim [and] must be attributed with quotation marks or other standard notation" and "a citation is required". Here they are verbatim, citations are present but not added after every quote to avoid WP:OVERCITE. Everything is sourced to the official catalogue.
Now adding quotation marks (in addition to current italics, title "Citation", separate row, hidden etc. which are actually enough ways to indicate separation) and citations (even with OVERKILL) is a possible way ahead. And its not a big deal. These two are tiny additions. But will they solve the problem here?
In recent few years jury of those awards have started being verbose and expressive and have given long quotes as compared to their previous ones like "For the subtle display of her wide range of emotions." Hence cutting short these quotations or picking some words from them is another way. But i personally would like to avoid that. It looses its value. The jury is quite accomplished than us and its better to keep their words as they are. Also i consider those citations to be the key feature of that article. That actually tells us why the award is presented.
What's your say? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 04:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

If they are quoted, citations are required. As far as copyvio, I haven't seen the example(s) in this particular article, but if you don't quote and cite, then they are copyvios. Fair use would allow reasonable use, but they should be quoted, cited and shouldn't be a substantial part of the relevant content. —SpacemanSpiff 10:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
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