User talk:Sdekk

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Educational attainment in the United States ‎

This is Wikipedia. We don't go by what the Columbia Journalism Review thinks. If there is consensus on Wikipedia that "Black", "Hispanic", etc. should be capitalized but not "white", please point to the discussion. Meters (talk) 00:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey Meters! I get where you're coming from. I am admittedly new to the backend of Wikipedia, and I'm still figuring out unspoken rules and whatnot. A lot of mainstream contemporary publications are moving away from capitalizing "white" in the context of race because it has white-supremacist implications. The CJR article I linked has some good reasoning behind the decision. It's true that a lot of established publishers still capitalize "white," but many are changing their internal guidelines. Also, "hispanic" isn't really a racial designation anyway. "Hispanic" just means "Spanish-speaking" or to describe something that is somehow related to Spain or the Spanish language. "Latin@," "Latinx," "Latina," etc. are more specific descriptors.

As you say, "this is Wikipedia," and in my mind, the philosophy of Wikipedia is not to blindly adhere to spoken or unspoken guidelines that have been in place for a long time. Rather, from what I've gathered, the spirit of Wikipedia is to make new rules over time in accordance with societal changes and developments. Does this make sense? Thanks for checking in! Sdekk (talk) 01:10, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any previous discussion on this, but I also have not looked for it. That's why I asked you to point to any previous discussion. Since you have not, I assume that you don't know of any either. Thus you appear to be arbitrarily attempting to apply some other group's rules to English Wikipedia. Quite frankly, we don't care what the CJR thinks. Why would we follow that style guide and not one of the ones that disagrees?

There's nothing unspoken about the need for consensus. Consensus is one of Wikipedia's policies. See WP:CONS. We care what the English Wikipedia community has decided, by consensus, that English Wikipedia's rules should be. If you think current practice on Wikipedia needs to change then it's up to to get agreement. And in this case this is not something that would simply apply to this article, but would be English Wikipedia-wide, so this would require a much larger discussion than just this article. Meters (talk) 01:42, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

And please don't add comments to the article such as "I don't have time to go through all this right now, but someone could update and expand this section based on the data I added in the table below" Meters (talk) 01:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I hear you. It is impossible for Wikipedia to have a totally consistent style given its size, but I will not make judgment calls like that, even though the Associated Press advocates for capitalizing "Black" but not "white." Regarding that comment, there was already a comment there and I just updated it. I did not mean to cause any trouble! Thanks for taking the time to show me the ropes! Sdekk (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

Hello, I'm Meters. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Educational attainment in the United States, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. What are doing? In one place you are claiming to use a 2020 census, but you have not provided a link to the data for us to verify, and in another you are updating a table to 2019 or 2020 and the cited data is dated 2006. I won't back out your edits for now, but you need to fix these problems immediately. Meters (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Meters! I accidentally deleted my citation, thanks for pointing that out! I'll fix it right now. Sdekk (talk) 02:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I must have missed that. Sorry. Thanks for restoring it. Feel free to remove the warning. And thanks for working on the article. Meters (talk) 02:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)