User talk:SaintPaulOfTarsus

Would you like to help out with summaries?

Hey SaintPaulOfTarsus! I recently discovered the List of invasions, which is in really bad shape. So, I started pretty much from scratch the List of invasions in the 21st century. I know you edit a lot in the realm of the two main ongoing wars (Israel/Hamas and Russia/Ukraine), so I wanted to see if you would be interested in seeing if the summaries on the invasions list could be improved any? My current thought process with the list is making sure all the significant things about each invasion are mentioned in the summary. If you have a question for me or about the list, don't hesitate to message me or ping me. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation. I will take a look over the next couple days and be sure to follow up with you.

My very best wishes

SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 07:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi. Template:Failed verification says "Use this tag only if an inline citation to a source is given". I notice that you are adding it (as "fv") in cases where no source is given. In this edit, for example, there is no source for it being "Captured by Russia 25 February 2022", which is the statement that you have tagged. The correct tag in such cases is "Citation needed". Cheers. Nurg (talk) 01:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. The format of the table confused me slightly. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 01:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Removing maps from dozens of articles

I have just noticed that you have been removing maps from over 30 articles in the past month. These edits have been rolled back as the discussion you have cited for removing these maps is regarding only one of them. I can understand if you wanted to adhere to WP:BRD by removing what you consider are unreliable files but you have been reverted now and it is time to discuss.

It is important to respect users works when reverting even if you may find them problematic. Outright reversion should be the last cause when trying to fix problems. Almost all of the files you have removed appear to be works of user Rr016. I am sure he can address your concerns about sourcing of these files.

You also appear to be a fairly new user, having joined Wikipedia some six months ago. I can assure you that most of these files have been added with consensus with multiple editors over the past decades. I would like to call in user EkoGraf on this issue, with whom I've been collaborating on multiple Syria related articles in the past. Ecrusized (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the removals also. I would like the say that the source you are referring to for the removals, Suriyak, was discussed several times at the height of the Syrian civil war and general editor consensus (among those who were following the conflict and were familiar with the source) was he is a reliable source and thus was used as an RS, both for map changes and map generation. And that has been the case for almost a decade, with almost no objections. EkoGraf (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ecrusized, @EkoGraf: Thank you for your comments here. Yes, the removals were bold, and in hindsight, rather provocative; I apologize if this caused disruption.

My precedent for the removals was the 7 March removal of the map on the Syrian civil war page, which was done by a veteran editor who has contributed in the MILHIST space since 2014. At the very top of the discussion in question, he says I deleted the map from the infobox as its source fails WP:RS. Of the later participants, none attempted to dispute that Suriyak maps was unreliable; indeed, most agreed with that sentiment. I interpreted this series of events as a consensus on the unreliability of a source, justifying additional map removals in the same vein. Looking back, the sheer number of articles that this affected definitely necessitated further discussion on WP:POINT grounds alone. Mea culpa.

That being said, EkoGraf, if you are able to locate the previous discussions regarding this source, they would certainly be welcome at Talk:Syrian civil war#Infobox map, where editors seem unaware of the consensus you mentioned, having variously referred to Suriyak maps as unreliable, basically some X account, a source in violation of WP:RS and WP:SPS, and even a possible pro-Russian propaganda channel, as Ecrusized put it. It is possible said discussions predate newer recommendations at WP:RSPTWITTER, and this particular account being RS would definitely seem to be a prominent exception to the usual standards that even very experienced editors are accustomed to, considering the language I quoted.

I hope that I have addressed the issues that prompted a discussion on my personal talk page; let us continue to address this matter at Talk:Syrian civil war#Infobox map, so the other involved parties can weigh in. My best regards to you both. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ecrusized, @EkoGraf: I have opened a discussion on SuriyakMaps and the maps derived from it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#SuriyakMaps on Twitter. As experienced editors in the relevant topics, I strongly encourage both of you to add your perspectives to the conversation. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 01:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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