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Welcome![edit]

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Hurricane21! Thank you for your contributions. I am Destroyeraa and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 02:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you for the kind welcome message Destroyeraa. I'll definitely reach out if I have any questions or need any assistance. I will also take a look at the links you've posted. Thanks again. Hurricane21 (talk) 02:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to thank you for updating the fatalities count for Hurricane Laura. Good job. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, 3 years ago I didn't know much about Hurricanes but after Hurricanes Harvey and Irma I've been hooked on them. I'm now pretty much a Hurricane junkie lol. I'm very new on wikipedia and have never edited any articles before so I'm starting small for now and only updating the main stats and info. Hurricane21 (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unit Rounding[edit]

I saw your recent edits to 2020 Atlantic hurricane season. To clear up a point of confusion, wind speeds for tropical cyclones are initially reported in knots and then rounded to the nearest mph and kmh, which is why the rounding of units is not always consistent. In the latest update for example, the reported wind speed for Hurricane Laura is 80 knots. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the explanation, makes sense. Hurricane21 (talk) 03:31, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Invite to join WikiProject Tropical cyclones![edit]

First, I want to than you for your edits to Hurricane Laura.


Please accept this invitation to join the Tropical cyclones WikiProject (WPTC), a WikiProject dedicated to improving all articles associated with tropical cyclones. WPTC hosts some of Wikipedia's highest-viewed articles, and needs your help for the upcoming cyclone season. Simply click here to accept!

~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to WikiProject Tropical cyclones![edit]

Hi, and welcome to the Tropical cyclone WikiProject! We are a group of Wikipedia editors who help to improve articles related to tropical cyclones on Wikipedia.

Looking for somewhere to start? Here are a few suggestions.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or would like to talk about the project in general, feel free to leave a message on the talk page.

~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bertha Damage[edit]

I think it would be better to post your question on Cyclonebiskit's talk page or the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season talk page rather than on my talk page. IosifDzhugashvilli (talk) 04:12, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • You do bring up a valid point though. Damage totals should ideally be consistent across the article. IosifDzhugashvilli (talk) 04:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I will post any further responses on his talk page.Hurricane21 (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sally and others[edit]

Hi there Hurricane21! Is the AON report out yet? It's October already. Thanks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I don't know, I did a quick google search for it and couldn't find anything, where do they post it? Hurricane21 (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. Ask Cyclonebiskit - he's very good at resources. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They don't publish until about a week into the month. NoahTalk 21:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

43rd edition of The Hurricane Herald[edit]

Volume XLIII, Issue 43, October 5, 2020
←(Previous issues) 40 · 41 · 42 · 43 · 44 →

The Hurricane Herald: 15th Anniversary Edition!

The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from September 1–October 5, 2020, which is the 15th anniversary of the WPTC. This edition's editors and authors are ChessEric, Chicdat, Destroyeraa, Hurricanehink, and our member of the month, SMB99thx!

Please visit this page and bookmark any suggestions of interest to you. This will help improve the newsletter and other cyclone-related articles. Past editions can be viewed here.

WikiProject Tropical Cyclones: News & Developments

  • As we rapidly approach the 15th anniversary of the project in October, it has been proposed that the Climate, Tropical cyclone, Severe Weather, and Non-tropical storms (defunct) wikiprojects get merged into a single project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather. This brand new project would remove the overlap that exists between the projects. It provide us with a better opportunity to develop articles such as List of named storms A, B, C etc; Tornadoes in Fiji/New Zealand/Hawaii/etc; Floods in 2018, 2019, 2020, etc; Floods in Bangladesh/United States/Egypt, etc; Weather of 1997, 1998, 2020, etc; Weather in Tokelau/South Africa/France, etc; Hurricanes in the United States, Hurricanes in Mexico, Typhoons in China, etc. The discussion continues on WP:Meteorology. Any feedback would be appreciated.
  • A series of goals, proposed for the project, has been extended to January 2021 for Wikipedia's 20th anniversary. Goals include tropical cyclone effects for every location around the world, merging the hundreds of disambiguation articles into lists by letter, and featured topics for every list of retired names. Some of these goals might take another 20 years to complete, but some are doable with some sustained effort.
  • Hurricane Noah announced an initiative to get a featured topic for the year of 2018 with complete subtopics. The Eastern Pacific portion is very close to achieving a featured topic, and the Atlantic and North Indian Ocean are around a B-class average. The Western Pacific, Southern Hemisphere, and the global article for 2018 need your help! A lot of work is needed to get those three items up to par. For more information on which articles need specifically, please check out the project talk page. Getting a featured topic for an entire year would be an impressive feat for our project.

New articles since the last newsletter include:

New GA's include:

WikiProject To-Do


Here are some tasks you can do:
Storms of the month over the last year
Month Storm
August 2020 Hurricane Laura
July 2020 Hurricane Isaias
June 2020 Tropical Storm Cristobal (2020)
May 2020 Cyclone Amphan
April 2020 Cyclone Harold
March 2020 Cyclone Herold
February 2020 Cyclone Damien
January 2020 Cyclone Tino
December 2019 Cyclone Ambali
November 2019 Cyclone Bulbul
October 2019 Typhoon Hagibis
September 2019 Hurricane Dorian

Storm of the month and other tropical activity for September (and the first 5 days of October)

Ianos, was a Mediterranean tropical-like cyclone, also known as a Medicane. The Mediterranean isn't officially a tropical cyclone basin, so there aren't any official intensity estimates for the storm. The system originated from a low pressure area north of Libya, and it developed organized convection while moving northeastward. On September 18, Ianos struck the Greek island of Cephalonia, and later moved across the Greek mainland. The World Meteorological Organization mentioned the medicane and its similarities to tropical cyclones. Although these medicanes are unofficial, Wikipedia covers them like other tropical cyclones, using the same reliable sources and news articles to document the event. As Ianos was created, not many users edited it, as coverage of tropical cyclones and storms outside of main development regions are, unfortunately, low. However, as Ianos was nominated and posted at ITN, a current news section on the main page, many users outside of the TC WikiProject began working on it, As these storms are becoming more common and better documented, these storms may be officially classified in the future.

  • Atlantic - September 2020 was the most active month on record in the Atlantic, with nine named storms forming, as well as Omar which formed on August 31 but was named a day later. Nana formed on September 1, rapidly intensifying into a minimal hurricane before making landfall in Belize. After a short lull in activity, Paulette and Rene both formed on the 7th, with the former intensifying into a strong Category 1 hurricane while making a rare landfall in Bermuda. The latter made landfall in the Cabo Verde Islands, causing minimal damage. Hurricane Sally had its origins over the Bahamas, and after stalling in the northern Gulf of Mexico it struck Alabama, dropping 36 in (910 mm) of rainfall on the Florida Panhandle; Sally left about $7 billion in damage and three deaths. On September 12, Hurricane Teddy formed, which grew into a powerful Category 4 hurricane, and later swept across Atlantic Canada. Near the Cape Verde Islands, Tropical Storm Vicky formed on September 14, and four days later, Wilfred formed in the same region. Tropical Storm Beta formed in the Gulf of Mexico on September 17 ahead of Wilfred and Alpha, and later brought heavy rainfall to Texas. A day later, Subtropical Storm Alpha formed near the coast of Portugal, marking only the second time that the Atlantic hurricane naming list was exhausted, thus requiring the usage of the Greek alphabet for names. Beta also formed, though before both Wilfred and Alpha. Beta would hit Texas and Louisiana with moderate flooding and kill one person.
  • Eastern Pacific - The month of September was not very active. Tropical Storm Julio formed from the mid-level circulation of Hurricane Nana in the Atlantic on September 4; however it stayed weak due to wind shear. In mid-September, tropical storms Karina and Lowell formed southwest of Mexico and were short-lived tropical storms. Toward the end of the month, Marie formed, becoming a hurricane on the last day of the month. Marie would later go on to be the current strongest storm of the EPAC season this year.
  • Western Pacific - The month of September was fairly active for the WPAC. Typhoon Maysak, which formed in late August, struck South Korea early in the month, followed days later by Typhoon Haishen, which became the season's first super typhoon. Haishen caused 4 fatalities and heavy damage in the Korean Peninsula. Later, Tropical Storm Noul formed on September 17, hitting Vietnam and causing 6 deaths and $30.4 million in damage. Later, Dolphin formed on the 19th, brushing Japan. Toward the end of the month, Tropical Storm Kujira formed northeast of the Marianas Islands.

Member of the month (edition) – SMB99thx

SMB99thx first joined Wikipedia in 2013, but didn't officially join the WPTC until August 2020. Since then, they have been a prolific contributor, helping with less visible pages such as project talk pages, or splitting older season articles in the North Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific. They are a such a tireless contributor and kind user, who appreciates others' contributions while being humble about their own. It was SMB99thx who gave barnstars along with kind and encouraging messages to countless other WPTC contributors and Wikipedians. SMB99thx also worked on several lists, including area affects lists, various drafts, and List of named storms (T). We'll take that T and say TY to SMB99thx for all of their contributions, and wish them luck at college.

New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter

More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue. Sorted chronologically.

To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!

Featured Content

From September 1 to October 5, one featured article was promoted:

From the Main Page documents WikiProject related materials that have appeared on the main page from September 1–October 5, 2020 in chronological order.

Today's Featured Article/List

There is currently one featured article candidate:

How WikiProject Tropical cyclones should move forward by SMB99thx

As we have seen in the month of August and September, there is a surge of new articles. Most of these new articles are season/decade articles and Pacific typhoon articles, and most of these articles are assessed by me as either Start-class or Stub-class. These articles I believe would have been rejected by WikiProject Tropical cyclones in the earlier years (especially 2008-2012) - and these reflected the changes in WikiProject Tropical cyclones after I joined in July 2020.

In order to counteract that surge of Start-class and Stub-class articles in recent months, I have been closely working on the Article requests page (used to be a primary contributor of the surge that happened in August and September), trying to make this recently-extended WikiProject 15th anniversary as some serious effort as well as revamping WikiProject To-Do (and completing some, but not all tasks) - and the results of my work on these three projects led into the explosive growth of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace (I tried to prevent this by publishing the half-finished drafts into mainspace (which is primarily composed of C-class with some speck of Start-class articles coming out of it, and these are the ones that aren't as obviously unfinished like Draft:Effects of Hurricane Dorian on the Mainland United States), and made several drafts on articles that are not considered notable like Draft:Hurricane Barbara (2019) into redirects or deleted, but there is less kinds of these drafts now) as well as discovery of several drafts that isn't done by this point or are not listed as part of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. These drafts are later linked to the Article requests page. I don't my work is done yet, and in order to consider that effectively done, I need to get these drafts done and submitted as C-class or higher.

However, there is a personal problem I had to face in order to getting this work done when I'm still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones. Article creation from drafts are not my strength. I create articles mostly from splits, not from drafts. As such, I consider article creation from drafts to be personally tedious work. As our 15th anniversary gets near, it appears that things are changing. As the draft space exploded, it appears fellow WikiProject Tropical cyclones are helping me out in getting these drafts complete, especially Destroyeraa (helping me out in deciding which drafts can pass the cut), ChessEric (working on Draft:Tropical Storm Noul (2020)), Robloxsupersuperhappyface (for developing current events articles, alongside ChessEric), I like hurricanes (Tropical cyclone lists), Chicdat (for the work on Tropical cyclones in 2002 and will probably work on others), Janm 7 (for working on Tropical cyclones in 2011 and 2003), and Iseriously (for useful season summaries, and this isn't a WPTC member!). I also began to frequently give out barnstars to these hard-working people like Jason Rees and Hurricanehink.

These events led me to believe that, if this WikiProject has to move forward then in my opinion this WikiProject should:

  • Take things in Article requests, WikiProject To-Do, WikiProject Tropical cyclones draftspace and WPTC 15th anniversary push (now extended into January 15th, 2021) seriously. I have seen some serious neglect from this area of the WikiProject and i believe this really held back the growth of this WikiProject. In my opinion, this WikiProject could have been easily have 2500 articles, or even 3000 articles by now if that area of WikiProject had been taken seriously. Even possibly, this WikiProject could have a lot more quality articles than it is today!
  • Frequently collaborate with each other. Don't bite the newcomers, but help them! They will help you.
  • If someone wants to take a break, e.g. Yellow Evan, let them be. Don't hurt their feelings! (i.e. moving their userspace drafts into mainspace) If you are hurting their feelings, then this could discourage future collaborations that could advance this WikiProject.

Thanks for reading this opinion piece! And happy 15th anniversary, WikiProject Tropical cyclones!

OPINION PIECE - by ChessEric

Accuracy has always been one of my biggest sticking points when it comes to editing on Wikipedia. When I came here back in April, my first edit was a revert of misinformation on the 2020 Easter tornado outbreak article. Of course, I understand that as a relatively new user, I still have a lot to learn and I don't profess to know everything, even after I started several large projects that I will probably be working on for quite some time. My first tornado outbreak pages used only the Tornado History Projects which, while generally good for tornado tracks, provides no damage info and if weren't for editors like CapeVerdeWave and Halls4521, my "breakthrough" articles would be so incomplete. However, I've been able to research more and more and find ways to complete these articles and that has carried over into the tropical cyclone projects as well. My thing has always been is that If I can't find a source for it, then it's not true. I will continue to follow that motto and hope that others will do the same.

Current assessment table

Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics.
As of this issue, there are 157 featured articles and 70 featured lists. There are 135 A-class articles, and 1,002 good articles. There are only 65 B-class articles, perhaps because because most articles of that quality already passed a GA review. There are 369 C-class articles, 736 start-class articles, and 151 stub-class articles, with 31 lists, and 8 current articles. These figures mean that slightly more than half of the project is rated a GA or better. Typhoon Warren was the 1000th GA in the project.

About the assessment scale →

Comparison of 2005 and 2020

WikiProject Tropical cyclones was founded on October 5, 2005. By that time, Wikipedia had its small share of articles, including the four deadly hurricanes that hit the United States in 2004. The hyperactive 2005 Atlantic hurricane season featured a series of deadly and historic hurricanes, the first of which was Hurricane Dennis. This is how the article looked on 10/5/05. It might not look like much, considering how much larger storm articles tend to be today. However, Dennis quickly became a featured article by February 2006. Its quality showed a marked improvement from the 2004 hurricanes. For comparison, here is what Hurricane Charley looked like on 10/5/05, with barely any references, no preparations, no aftermath, and one sentence worth of impact for a location with $1 billion in damage.

The busy 2005 season featured Hurricane Katrina, and in the aftermath of the storm, dozens of articles related to the hurricane were created. Some still exist, such as Katrina refrigerator, Memorial Medical Center and Hurricane Katrina, and Effect of Hurricane Katrina on the Louisiana Superdome. I don't know if those hyper-specific articles would be created today, and many of these old articles are still of low quality. On the other hand, one of the most notable changes since 2005 is the improvement in articles throughout Wikipedia, both new and old. Every Atlantic season from 1945 to 2019 is a good article, and all but 31 seasons since 1851 are a good article. More impressive is how much other basins around the world have improved. As of June 2006 (the oldest date for our assessment tables), the EPAC only had articles back to 1970, WPAC with yearly articles back to 1945 (with a rump article for everything beforehand - there are now decade articles going back to 1850), and the NIO only had one yearly season article (with five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and one rump article for everything beforehand), with only six storm articles. There are now yearly NIO articles going back to 1960. Also as of June 2006, all SHEM storms were put into yearly articles going back to 1995, with three five-yearly articles going back to 1980, and then one article for everything beforehand. The SHEM is now split into its three sub-basins (plus a distinct article for SATL storms), with yearly articles back to 1970. There are also now yearly articles for tropical cyclones back to 2009.

15 years might not feel like much, or for some of you it's an entire lifetime. Users should be reminded of eventualism, in work will improve over time, especially with sustained editor attention. There are now over 2,000 articles in the project, versus less than 500 15 years ago, or 1000 10 years ago, or 1500 13 years ago. The project's growth hasn't always been even, but it has trended toward inclusion, with hundreds of articles that are the best resources available anywhere on a given storm/season/topic. As Mother Nature throws us hyperactive seasons, it will be difficult, but not impossible, to keep up with the annual cycle of tropical cyclone activity, so the world can remain informed of these swirling furies.

Project Goals & Progress

The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.


Delta[edit]

What do you think about this landslide and it's associated deaths? It was located in Guatemala, not far from Delta. However, the source doesn't attribute it to the hurricane... ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem to be Delta related. The source you posted doesn't say anything about it being related to Delta. I did my own search for other sources and didn't find any that mentioned Delta as a probable cause either. This source here: [1] says: "The landslide could be caused by the country's rainy season, which runs from May to October and which has caused 17 deaths so far this year from various causes, in addition to 1.4 million people affected throughout the country during those months." Hurricane21 (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks! And also the AON report comes out soon - usually before October 10. You should be able to find it here. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great job updating the AON reports! AON agrees with the $5 billion for Sally, I see. I was really anticipating this update from AON, especially for Beta, Teddy, Sally, and Nana. Looks like it also updated Marco too. Good job. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:46, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and no problem. It's also worthy to note that they updated Laura's damage from 10.1 to 14.1 billion dollars. Hurricane21 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is IMO more accurate, since Florence and Michael both caused damages in the $20 million range, and Laura probably caused around the same amount of damage. Also, does it say on the AON report that Paulette and Teddy caused $2 million? ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No but it says "millions". I didn't know how else to write that. I didn't think "millions" would be low enough for us to write "Minimal" and since they didn't give any specific ranges I simply put the lowest number that could fit that description. What do you think? By the way in your previous comment I think you meant "$20 billion" not "$20 million". Hurricane21 (talk) 18:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We'll probably get a better estimate of damages for the next AON report. For now, I think putting ≥ $1 million would make more sense, since it says "millions." And yep, I mean $20 billion. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:03, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well since "millions" is plural it is indicating that it is more than 1 so the minimum number that would match the description is 2. Anyways it's really not a big deal, as you said we'll update these numbers later. Let's just keep it the way it is for now. Hurricane21 (talk) 19:08, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
let's ask on the season talk page, since others can put in their two cents. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, go ahead. Hurricane21 (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You signed with a date? LOL. 19:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to, I don't know how that happened? There I fixed it. Hurricane21 (talk) 19:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you do ~~~~~, then it shows up as 19:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC). ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 2020[edit]

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Hello and thanks for the tips, I will keep this in mind for the future however just to clarify the situation I was not changing content back to "how I thought it should be", rather I was reverting a clearly incorrect information that was being added to the article. The user "Nioni1234" had misread an article's title and as a result was including incorrect information to the page and starting to edit other parts of the page based on this incorrect information. I wanted to correct the mistake as soon as possible because not doing so would have meant the spread of that incorrect information to other parts of the article as well as to other related pages, which would have then made it much more difficult and time consuming to eventually correct the information once the dispute was resolved. Also for the record I only made two reversions, I gave detailed and specific reasons for each reversion, and I also invited the other user to discuss the issue on a talk page before making any further reversions. The other use seems to have been satisfied with my explanation after the second reversion and the dispute was resolved. Hurricane21 (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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