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Hello Can you help me with a small problem that I have. If I post a new talk subject about addition or subtracting on page article information how long do I have to weight with no response untill I can edit the page, and should I tag others, If you could help me with this it would be great, thankyou. Amituofo 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing (talk) 05:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Shenqijing, my advice to you at the moment would be to answer the question that you have been asked at AE about the other editors you referred to, and then to await the outcome of that. GirthSummit (blether) 06:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi I have other articles that I need to move on to, I give myself the same grace that I give others, invent untill proven guilty. Have you stopped what you are doing?. I have also added some more decisions on talk I counted another three times that Pseudoscience has been used in the article under other headings and even the word included in a heading. I have also included a link to another Nature Magazine article, that will hopefully help to clear up my eddits and also clean up the page. Thankyou. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Shenqijing (talk) 07:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Shenqijing, I don't know whether you are intentionally avoiding the question, or whether you don't understand what I am saying. Read my last post again - the question you have been asked is important, and you have still not answered it. I don't know what it is that I am doing that you think I need to stop. GirthSummit (blether) 10:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello sorry I am trying to get to know Wiki, I do appreciate your help, I thought that I had answered your question. I was looking for how to bring other eddtitors to mediate this page within the quidelined of wiki, I was looking how to get arbitration, but you did it for us to clear this up. I wish to contribute to Wikipedia, some of the information on the internet of how to do this seems to be a bit gung-ho to say the least. Shenqijing (talk) 10:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Shenqijing, I am replying here, although I know that you have been blocked for edit warring and will not be able to respond immediately. For the record, I believe that you are attempting to make changes that you believe are necessary and beneficial, and are therefore acting in good faith. Nevertheless, the way you have gone about doing it has been disruptive. I gave you links to the edit warring guidelines, and yet I see that you made at least five reverts on the TCM page just today - that is not acceptable. You may wish to review the current version of the page, which had substantial edits today from an experienced editor, and now contains information about the compendium, in what I believe to be appropriate context. I don't know whether you will be satisfied with the way the page is currently worded, but at least it now contains the information that you wanted to include. Best GirthSummit (blether) 19:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your considered close

I think Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayuko Babu has gone as well as any deletion discussion can where the artcile under consideration is insufficient. I think you had a minor mental blackspot in your rationale. It was the single keep voter who assented to a redirect. I have days like that too. 👀😂🌷 Fiddle Faddle 16:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Timtrent, oops! Quite right - I've ignored the 'don't modify this page' header and modified my close. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 16:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Good self IAR call! Fiddle Faddle 16:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, thanks for the reminder. Your tireless efforts at making people feel appreciated are, well, appreciated! GirthSummit (blether) 09:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you and co-workers today for Margaret Macpherson Grant, "about a little-known 19th-century Scottish heiress and philanthropist, who inherited a vast fortune from her slave-owning planter uncle, and lived out her life with a female partner in the small town of Aberlour. I was drawn to the story of her life when researching an article about a church she founded - the source of her wealth, her lifestyle (which was very unconventional for the time), and the tragic circumstances surrounding her death at a young age were all very compelling subjects to research, and I think that many of our readers would be similarly interested." - just yes, thanks for interesting us! Flowers on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, thanks! My first TFA - very nice to know you found it interesting :) GirthSummit (blether) 07:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Unblock Request : Page 'Supercomputing in India' being collapsed by an editor 'Master of Ninja' ... I am blocked while restoring.

Unblock Request : Page 'Supercomputing in India' being collapsed by an editor 'Master of Ninja' ... I am blocked while restoring.

Request reason:

Respected Sir / Madam ... I am the early and first architect of Indian Supercomputer CHIPPS / PARAM ... I have been making sure that the information content of the above page was not shortened or removed or collapsed by some freelance editors. I found that one editor with an anonymous identity as 'Master of Ninja' had been busy always in collapsing information content in that page. I restored his changes which were not authentic as he was not connected with Indian Supercomputer Project. Every time when I had restored the page, he could be seen collapsing the content of the page once again. That is why I posted a warning on the page. Please kindly unblock me and please kindly try to investigate on the account of 'Master of Ninja' to take remedial actions. He has changed and collapsed the page on 'PARAM' too.

Reference - Your comments in my talk page : "Just to add to the above - since you haven't seen fit to comment at the ANI thread concerning your editing - you are required to assume good faith of other editors. You should also take a look at WP:OWN. If you ever add commentary about another editor to an article again your account will likely be blocked completely for disruption, and if you accuse another editor of being a 'hacker' again without presenting evidence it will likely be blocked for making personal attacks. Please consider this a formal warning. GirthSummit (blether) 07:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)".

Pages continuously tampered with by 'Master of Ninja' ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputing_in_India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARAM

Thanks and regards,

Mohan Rose Ali (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)Mohan Rose Ali Mohan Rose Ali alias Mohan C. Subramaniyam.

HI Mohan Rose Ali thanks for reaching out. The instructions for requesting unblock are at WP:GAB, you should read that and make a request on your talk. HOWEVER - should caution you about a few things. First, I can't verify whether you are who you say you are - on the Internet, anyone can claim to be anyone else. For that reason, nobody has special privelege to 'protect' any article, and no individual gets to decide what content should be in an article. This is decided by  discussion and consensus, based on the content of reliable sources. You can still edit the talk page of the article in question - why not post a note there about your concerns? Be careful not to ascribe any bad faith to any other editor unless you are prepared to back it up with evidence, which you have not done so far. Best GirthSummit (blether) 16:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for helping me with the article New Life Worship. In fact, I have been on wikipedia since 2016 and I did not know about spotify, so I added the article in question, on the other hand, remove spotify in an article that I created recently, you can review these two articles Russell Evans, Joth Hunt. Please, I created them it and I need you to you check it. Greetings and blessings for supporting me. Thank you.GJFBR (talk) 01:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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Maybe you didn't see my reply on Talk:Astrology, so I'll repeat it here: What happens is that the footnote marker is shown like this: theoretical[8]:249;[9]. This seems to happen on a lot of pages. If I look there, I get the impression this is done on purpose. Is that so? Please enlighten me. H. (talk) 11:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hamaryns, I didn't see the reply - you might want to read WP:PING, which explains how to send a notification to another editor - very useful if you are replying some time after they last commented (I'd completely forgotten about the question I'm afraid!)
I've replied at the article talk page, but yes, I believe it's intentionally done to indicate the page number where the source supports the assertion. GirthSummit (blether) 12:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for the link, I didn't know about notifications yet. It didn't exist in my active time in the past! (I suppose I do not have to explicitly mention you here now, since it is your talk page.) H. (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hamaryns, no indeed - registered users are automatically notified if you edit their talk page, or under certain other circumstances (e.g. if they are reverted). Sounds like you're an old hand here though - welcome back! GirthSummit (blether) 15:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Are you a girther?

Hey, Girth Summit, are you a girther?[1] There's some extra concern about Trump's weight now, naturally, and so I came across the concept of girtherism. And thought of you. Bishonen | tålk 16:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC).

Bishonen, crikey - I thought the concerns about my username had died down after my RfA - maybe I should think about changing it after all, don't want to end up being a culture wars hate figure! GirthSummit (blether) 16:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Or a culture wars icon? Bishonen | tålk 16:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC).
Bishonen, my impression is that to be one, you end up being the other too by default? GirthSummit (blether) 16:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Favour

Hallo Girth, I just discovered that I wrote accidentally a contribution to Talk:Armenia without being logged (and then I signed it). Could it be possible to remove the ip? Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 16:54, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Alessandro57, no worries, done GirthSummit (blether) 17:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! :-) Alex2006 (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The Pizza Hub

FYI - You tagged The Pizza Hub (talk · contribs) as blocked but there was no corresponding block in The Pizza Hub's block log. Some tool hiccup? Cabayi (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Cabayi, weird - thanks for clearing up after me! I used Twinkle for the block, maybe my connection dropped out mid-way through the process? I didn't get an error message though. Maybe I should test it - fancy a short wikibreak? ;) GirthSummit (blether) 15:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Err, Ummm... Cabayi (talk) 16:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Cabayi, I'll take that as a no. Never fear, I will no doubt find another spam merchant to try the block button on soon enough - I'll check to make sure it actually goes through this time. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 16:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Yep - normal Twinkle service appears to have resumed. GirthSummit (blether) 16:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Nope - I've just been clicking in vain on Twinkle's warn button for an agf pair of socks. Had to reload the page before it would work. There's something strange afoot. Cabayi (talk) 16:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Banff & Buchan

Is in my possession. Alas, I don't have a scanner to import the excellent photos it has. Might try an alternative capture method if I can match scanner quality. - Seasider53 (talk) 11:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Seasider53, great - hope you enjoy it, I always find books from that series very helpful. However - don't attempt to import the photos, they will be covered by copyright - see WP:COPYVIO. Geograph.co.uk is a useful source of photographs for buildings, the pictures on there are usually covered by a commercial commons licence that's compatible with our policies - oftentimes they've already been imported into commons. If I'm looking for a picture of a building, I'll go to commons first and search for it to see what comes up; if there's nothing useful, I'll go to Geograph to see if they have anything which hasn't been uploaded. If neither approach works, I give up! That's why you'll see a couple of the articles linked on my usepage (eg Letterfourie House) don't have pictures at all, and others (eg Rusco Tower) have pretty poor ones. One day, I'll go on a road trip and see if I can get some more pics, but until then I have to work with what's available online with an appropriate licence. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 11:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

RD3 on User Talk:Synoman Barris

Hi,
While your revdel did delete the main revision it left this one alone which means the content can still be viewed. Could you please delete that one as well?
Thanks in advance,
Asartea Talk | Contribs 12:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Asartea, good spot - thanks GirthSummit (blether) 12:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, no problem Asartea Talk | Contribs 12:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

STOOOOPPPPPPPPPPP

PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE --86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)--86.154.168.229 (talk) 17:15, 4 October 2020 (UTC)Italic text

I wonder what they thought they were doing when they signed six times? —valereee (talk) 17:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Velereee who knows - maybe they have a sticky tilde key? What I'm more perplexed by is whether they're asking me to stop doing something, or to bend over... GirthSummit (blether) 17:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
hahaha —valereee (talk) 17:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Troll

Thanks for that warning to the troll. He/she/it has been trolling me for almost a month now. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, that sounds annoying. I'm making dinner now, but will have a closer look when I get time - feel free to post diffs or particular pages if there's anything you want me to look at and they're jumping IPs. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah. thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Is it one man or a group. I am from the area, whats the matter. Hgliaucuhe (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

As I suspected, this troll is here as Hgliaucuhe. Seems to be a large IP range or something. Bishonen and Glen had blocked which seems like a big range 2 days ago[2], [3] but immediately they were back. Some revelation here.

Mai vo nahi hoon. yeh aapko abhi Sumit bhai hi bata denge IP check kar ke. Aur ab hum samajh gaye. Nihayat hi namooni cheez hain aap. Jo haath khana de raha usi ko kaat rahe. Ab hume samajh aa gya ki Lucknow ki tahzeeb tameez se itar vo log aapko gali kyun nikal rahe. Hum hi galat the jo bevajah beech me aa gaye. Hgliaucuhe (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean really? One can always move to a different location or buy new SIM cards. There are thousands of different ways. The question has be asked... Orrrr, and hear me out here, you could actually get a life? Mind boggles. Glen (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

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Nashcash

They recreated their autobiography almost immediately after you warned them. Might be time for a block. Spicy (talk) 19:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey Spicy, sorry I somehow missed this comment, wasn't meaning to ignore you. They seem to have given up now so it's probably a bit stale to block, but yes if they try again I think it will be block time. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Im a virgin come rape me

Can you take a look at what User:Im a virgin come rape me is trying to do on her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

CLCStudent, charming. TPA revoked. GirthSummit (blether) 14:02, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I could not see what she was trying to do, but I knew it couldn't be good. CLCStudent (talk) 14:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
CLCStudent, nothing worth reading, just some throwaway obscenities. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Connor McGregor

Hello, Girth Summit, as you know we've reached consensus in the Talk:Conor_McGregor page. There's now a related discussion and RfC going on in WP:RSN for sherdog.com as an expansion of our previous consensus. I would like to hear your opinion since you had participated in the previous discussion and made the proposal for final consensus. Thanks in advance.Lordpermaximum (talk) 19:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi - I'll try to find time to read through and comment if I have anything to add. GirthSummit (blether) 20:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks.Lordpermaximum (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Reporting 2601:C8:200:A520:BCCB:29D3:C002:4031

2601:C8:200:A520:BCCB:29D3:C002:4031 (talk · contribs)

Block evasion by blocked editor BumbleBeast57445. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 14:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

TheAmazingPeanuts, thanks for the heads up. I've blocked the /64 for block evasion.
Ponyo, NinjaRobotPirate - I see you've both blocked this range recently for block evasion. This seems obviously to be the person using the account BumbleBeast57445, which was globally locked recently by Green Giant as a result of this ANI thread. If it's likely that this is connected to an existing LTA or sockmaster, is there anything further that needs to be done to tidy up? Thanks in advance GirthSummit (blether) 18:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
BumbleBeast57445 is probably DarwinandBrianEdits. no No comment with respect to IP address(es). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I am confused

Hi, you deleted my one sentence on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo which you said "added nothing." The article didn't have anything my sentence said before I put it in. Can you please put it back up?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOfficialThanos (talk • contribs) 13:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

TheOfficialThanos what is t you think your sentence adds that isn't already there, and what source would you use to support it?  GirthSummit (blether) 14:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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Minister for Education (1995–1997)

Rangsitpol was appointed Minister of Education. His challenge was for Thailand to achieving educational excellence by the year 2007. During his two -year tenure,Rangsitpol launched education reforms between 1995-1997 .

The goal of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

[1]

According to UNESCO, Thailand education reform has led to the following results:

  • Free12 years education for all children provided by the government. This program was added to the 1997 Constitution of Thailand and gave access to all citizens.
  • The educational budget increased from 133 billion baht in 1996 to 163 billion baht in 1997 (22.5% increase)
  • Professional advancement from teacher level 6 to teacher level 7 without having to submit academic work for consideration was approved by the Thai government. [2]

School-based management (SBM) in Thailand began in 1997 in the course of a reform aimed at overcoming a profound crisis in the education system.[3]

He is Thai Education Reformer.Why did you delete the paragraph in state of fixing the grammar.2403:6200:89A8:1E1D:6938:FBF4:5908:AC16 (talk) 18:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Rangsitpol was accused by the person in the youtube clip .It is his habit ,in the clip here he also accused someone else.The why he was sue by Rangsitpol.I am surprised this accusation that was sue by the subject and the subject had won the case should be mentioned.2403:6200:89A8:1E1D:6938:FBF4:5908:AC16 (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

original url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6V4BEGeSHE 2403:6200:89A8:1E1D:6938:FBF4:5908:AC16 (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ Dachakupt, Pimpan (1999). "The current innovation in curriculum development in Thailand". International Journal of Curriculum Development and Practice. 1: 93–101. Retrieved October 2020. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  2. ^ Education Management Profile: Thailand (PDF). Bangkok: UNESCO PRINCIPAL REGIONAL OFFICE FOR ASIA AND THE PACIFIC. 1998. Retrieved October 2020. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  3. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/4151600?seq=1
I will reply on the article talk page. GirthSummit (blether) 13:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

2006 the same broken link reference

Sukavich Rangsitpol

As one of 111 executive members of the TRT, he was banned from political activities for five years after the 2006 coup d'état.

He expressed no wish to return to politics after the ban expired.[1]

Wan Muhamad Noor Matha

As one of 111 executive members of the TRT, he was banned from political activities for five years after the 2006 coup d'état.[2]

Sudarat Keyuraphan

As one of 111 executive members of the TRT, she was banned from political activities for five years after the 2006 coup d'état.[3]

  • The link was the same it should be the reference of the same thing as the other 2 politicians which is
As one of 111 executive members of the TRT, he was banned from political activities for five years after the 2006 coup d'état.
He expressed no wish to return to politics after the ban expired.should be deleted 2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:3DB7:17B7:E892:923E (talk) 11:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
  1. ^ "การกลับมาของบ้านเลขที่ 111 ไม่มีอะไรเปลี่ยนแปลงที่ "หลังฉาก"". Siam Intelligence (in Thai). 5 June 2012. [dead link]
  2. ^ "การกลับมาของบ้านเลขที่ 111 ไม่มีอะไรเปลี่ยนแปลงที่ "หลังฉาก"". Siam Intelligence. 5 June 2012.
  3. ^ "การกลับมาของบ้านเลขที่ 111 ไม่มีอะไรเปลี่ยนแปลงที่ "หลังฉาก"". Siam Intelligence. 5 June 2012.
Hi IP editor - I don't know if you're watching, but I don't know why you've put this stuff on my talk page. Could you explain what you're asking me to do, or to comment on please? Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 19:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Kangleipak

Could you take care of this as well? the creator keeps recreating it, unsourced in project space. Praxidicae (talk) 11:20, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Praxidicae, sure thing - gone. GirthSummit (blether) 11:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Reporting 64.53.195.148

64.53.195.148 (talk · contribs)

Block evasion by editor MakaveliReed who is blocked for changing date ranges for unexplained reasons. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:34, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

TheAmazingPeanuts, hi. Looks like this IP was blocked already; I'm not familiar with the account you believe this IP is connected to, so I can't comment on that; might be better to report to SPI, or plain old AIV, if disruptions starts up after the block expires. GirthSummit (blether) 08:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
I would report this issue to Ad Orientem since he know about this editor, but unfortunately he retired. I see no reason to report the IP at SPI because they only responded to existing accounts, not IPs. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
TheAmazingPeanuts, fair point about SPI - sock hunting isn't really my area of expertise. I guess AIV would be the best venue, with a note about which account you suspect of being the block evader, it's more likely to get a timely response than approaching an individual admin. I miss Ad Orientem, and hope that he will return to editing in the future. GirthSummit (blether) 09:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Ad Orientem might come back to Wikipedia but we don't know for sure. I know some editors did leave for awhile but ending up coming back several mouths later. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Question

I want to change my vote in the Sherdog RfC. Do I strike my vote and add a new one after the votes? – 2.O.Boxing 10:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Squared.Circle.Boxing I confess I'm not an authority on the etiquette, but I don't think people will be too picky about how you do it so long as it's clear. I'd suggest that you unbold your original vote, strike through it, then out a revised vote directly underneath with an explanatory comment. If anyone tells you that's wrong, feel free to blame me! GirthSummit (blether) 10:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Baha I'll be sure to point the finger your way if needed. Thanks very muchly for the advice. – 2.O.Boxing 11:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Regards

Thank you for the information you left on my talk page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ken Tony Peter (talk • contribs) 15:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Ken Tony Peter, you're welcome. I saw the message you left me on commons too. Basically, we need to use pictures that gave been released by their owner under a suitable license. Very commonly, that means using pictures that an editor has taken themselves, perhaps if you were attending a game? What we can't do is grab pictures off the Internet. Quiet a few of the articles I've written have no picture, purely because I've not been able to find a freely licenced one - that's annoying, but it's just the way it is I'm afraid. GirthSummit (blether) 15:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Biography of Living person

Deformation

1)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/982653094

It was the accusations and he was the one who filed the deformation lawsuit to clear his name .

The deformation case can not clear any wrongdoing .2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:FD50:CF3:1B62:9703 (talk) 04:45, 20 October 2020 (UTC) https://www.uzo.net/bnnj/meisai.php?id=4075&fbclid=IwAR12GVFvDrqTSJiEtiydRX5vvaaFjVSYHiC7X-0A0tRUYR7z3k_ije_xLgU 2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:FD50:CF3:1B62:9703 (talk) 04:47, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr Sukhavich responded to the charges with a defamation suit against Mr Arkhom .

He was accused and he won the deformation case .Why is it in his biography?

And now the false information in in the reference too.2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:FD50:CF3:1B62:9703 (talk) 04:58, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP - I'm afraid I don't understand what you are saying here, and I'm not willing to try to guess. The article has been reworded since I made that edit, but by someone who has access to the sources - perhaps you should try to explain your position on its talk page? Best GirthSummit (blether) 07:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I wrote on the talk page ,it was deleted.
The accusations is now written twice in the page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/982802360

The minister who brought free 12 years education to Thailand his article is full of accusations.
You english is better than mines,you was asking for the proof.He sue Mr.Archom who was the accusations and won the cases.
If someone accused you and you sued the person.You won the deformation case .Should the case be mentioned in your biography or not .2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:9D03:7FFF:F008:C1D (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

CVUA trainer

Hi Girth, Good day. You might want to have a look at user Vivianne Dawn / Ventrixs who add themselves as the CUVA trainer - see - here. As per this, even user has registered since Sep 2018 but only made 3 edits in 2018. As of now the user made only 18 edits in mainspace and little experience in counter vandalism work. I am not sure their experience is suffice to be a CUVA trainer. I will leave it you if you would like to action. Good night Girth. Cassiopeia(talk) 10:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA, thanks for drawing this to my attention - I'll have a look. GirthSummit (blether) 10:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Re-creation of an article

Hi, Girth Summit the article Tewolde Gebremariam has been imediately re-created which is WP:PROMOTIONAL in nature and contains a major copy-paste from the employer's website. Please have a look. Thank you. ~ Amkgp 💬 15:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Amkgp, yes I saw that. In fairness to them, they've made some efforts to attribute the text, so the copyvio isn't quite so egregious, and the subject may be notable - I haven't checked on that yet. Having already deleted the article one (and nominated another article by the same author to AfD), I thought I'd let another admin take a look at that version, to get a second opinion. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, also the supposed same creator through IP 197.156.122.181 has mentioned the following while contesting CSD I'm one of the employee here in Ethio Arilines, and teweld is my childhood firend at Talk:Tewolde Gebremariam. The diff ~ Amkgp 💬 15:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Amkgp, groan. Have you asked the original author whether that was them editing while logged out? GirthSummit (blether) 16:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

You know what is right, do what you want.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yitbe (talk • contribs) 17:24, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yitbe - thanks for stopping by. I don't want to discourage you from editing, and I know that Wikipedia can be a tough environment for new editors. I don't want to discourage anyone who is willing to try to learn our policies and edit within the rules, so can I ask you whether you work for Ethiopian Airlines, and/or know the subjects that you have been writing about? I'm not going to block your account either way, but your answer will affect the advice I give you at this point, so I'd be really grateful if you'd give a clear answer. Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 17:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

PDC

Hey, Girth Summit. I'm here because I'm sort of out of options short of ANI, and I'd always prefer to handle things some other way, and you have some experience with this editor. If you can't help, I'll take this to ANI, but I'd really rather this person not end up top banned from their clear area of highest interest. I'd rather find another solution if possible.

Pasdecomplot has been warned multiple times over months by multiple editors about making accusations of bad faith, both at talk pages and in edit summaries, and they just won’t stop.

Editors in contentious areas should expect pushback. They should expect to have to defend every edit, to have other editors push back, to have to talk and talk and talk before making even small edits. PDC wants to make sweeping edits to an extremely contentious area – Tibetan Buddhism and China – and if another editor disagrees with their edits, they immediately go to accusations of bad faith, misrepresentation of sources, and hounding. I’ll note that I have only a general understanding of the subject, so I have no idea whether PDC’s edits are helpful or not. My concern is solely the unwillingness to assume good faith and focus on the edits rather than making accusations about the other editors’ motivations.

PDC now has nearly 2000 edits. They are no longer a newbie. They are ignoring our policies on assuming good faith, and they’re doing it flagrantly and unrepentantly. I hate to suggest they be topic banned from their clear area of highest interest, but I am at a loss, here. Personally all I want to see is forbidding them from making any accusation of any kind against any other editor (broadly construed; that is, no referring "bad faith edits" either) either on talk or in edit summaries, for at least six months.

Many editors have tried to help PDC understand this. These are just some of the more recent:

Usedtobecool tried to explain Sept 21

PDC continued to accuse others of bad faith editing September 30: 1 2 3

Message on PDC's talk from Cullen328, who asks for an explanation. 4

PDC replies, including further accusations of bad faith in the reply and subsequent replies: 5

Warning from me, which included a plea for PDC to stop accusing any other editor of bad faith, noted as seen: 6

Continuing to accuse others of bad faith edits, misrepresentation, and hounding October 19: 7 8 9

Warning about it seen and removed: 10

Sorry if this feels like I'm dumping my problem (I can't act; PDC thinks I have it in for them) in your lap. —valereee (talk) 11:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valereee, I'll be happy to help if I can. Let me review the diffs then I'll comment. GirthSummit (blether) 12:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi again Valereee, I'm concerned this goes beyond the issues around failing to assume good faith - I'm concerned about some of the recent editing at BLPs, specifically WP:COATRACKING and WP:POV being introduced to WP:BLP articles.
I've spent a bit of time looking into the recent history of Chen Quanguo. I have no interest in whitewashing the article of a Chinese government official, but at the same time I think some of this goes a bit far:
  • This series of edits modifies some existing verbiage to read Tibet's ethnic majority has been swamped by promoting economic development that encourages migration, of Han Chinese, - the word 'swamped' was not use in the source, and it's not a word that I think is acceptable when describing the movements of ethnic groups. It also details the number of self-immolations that took place between 2009 and 2019, with an unsourced assertion that 'most' of these took place during Chen's tenure as head of Tibet.
  • This edit adds, in Wikipedia's voice, that the self-immolations were seen as ...an offering by the self-immolators of their bodies to show the world how badly Tibet is suffering.. This feels like advocacy.
I'm not saying that any of this material is untrue, but introducing all this into a biographical article about a government official seems like COATRACKING. Cullen328 and El C have both interacted with PDC with regard to BLP articles in the past, I'd greatly appreciate their thoughts if they have time. I don't have time right now to dig through their other BLP contribs recently, but I'm concerned that someone who is so recently off a TBan about BLPs is editing like this. GirthSummit (blether) 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, there have been concerns voiced about that. There was a long thread at RSN which PDC seems to believe concluded with a blanket statement that International Campaign for Tibet, UNESCO, Tibet Post International/The Tibet Post, Tibet Watch, Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization, Free Tibet, Radio Free Asia were all reliable sources for articles covering China and Tibetan Buddhism. —valereee (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Valereee, I'll try to get chance to review that, but I'm worried less about reliability of the sources (or indeed the veracity of the claims), so much as turning a biographical article about a particular person into a campaigning piece about the injustices of the Chinese regime in Tibet - I mean, there's more content about the regime in Tibet in that article now than there is actual biographical material, it looks like a classic coatrack. I'll wait to see whether Cullen or El C have any comments to add, but this may need to go to BLPN for review. GirthSummit (blether) 13:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, not every article about a Chinese leader needs to cover Buddhist self-immolation, and especially not in the voice of Free Tibet. —valereee (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  • There is absolutely no doubt that Pasdecomplot is 100% aware that they should not be making such attacks on editors in that manner, and they have been warned more than enough times. This can not continue; at this point, regretfully, I would support using blocks to get their attention: escalating blocks for each new PA, or maybe even an indef is warranted here with the condition that they explain why they have been doing what they know full well they should not be doing and why anyone should believe that things will be different going forward. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  • There is a thread beginning October 1 on my talk page titled "A good answer" where this editor posts a gigantic wall of text trying to convince me that they are 100% right and another editor is 100% wrong. I think this editor is pretty much incapable of editing neutrally or collaborating with editors with a different point of view. They consistently attribute disagreement to bad faith by others. So I too support escalating sanctions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
    Thanks Cullen328, Usedtobecool - I've given them an extended warning on their talk, indicating that it has to stop. I may raise a thread at BLPN to get more opinions on the matter described above. GirthSummit (blether) 17:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you, GS. Ideally I'd like to be able to completely disengage from PDC, as I don't think my continued involvement is productive; I only came here because I'd been pinged to a complaint and didn't feel I could ignore it. Can I just ping you to any future complaints and leave it at that? —valereee (talk) 18:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
    Valereee, sure thing, please do. GirthSummit (blether) 18:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328, Usedtobecool, Valereee - just FYI, I've started a thread at BLPN concerning the issues with the article outlined above. I'm notifying you because of your prior involvement with the editor in question; I'd be genuinely grateful for your thoughts, whether or not you agree with me on the content. Please don't comment if you think this is improper notification, or if you just want to disengage, of if you're plain-old not interested. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:38, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll watch and comment if I think there's anything constructive I can contribute, but unless I'm seeing something that needs to be mentioned and hasn't been, it's best all around if I just pipe down. :D —valereee (talk) 20:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, I knew of the discussion as soon as it was initiated. I went back after your post had received two replies. What I wanted to do most urgently there was to remove severe BLPvios (IMO) from the first reply that you received (objectively evil; comparison with nazis)​, which I would have done anywhere else on Wikipedia. I left because it's BLPN for chrissake, there must be editors well-versed in BLP policies to remove things like that if it's as bad as it seems it is to me (and no one has). I might look back again at some point. Thanks though. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
@Usedtobecool: Omg yes a Nazi comparison... Because its so weird to compare one autocratic party-state committing genocide with another autocratic party-state committing genocide. Unless you’re suggesting that our pages on the Uyghur genocide and Holocaust are fake news there isn't a BLP issue here. In the future don’t tag me like this, its not constructive for anyone involved. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I needed to tag you because I was commenting about your comment. I have nothing else to add. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Might as well comment on the discussion I’ve been tagged in to... I’ve also found Pasdecomplot’s editing style to be disruptive and there are definitely elements of WP:COATRACK in how they’re going about things (they seem to repeat the same information on a number of related pages). I also can’t say I always follow their arguments about why something should be included even when the sourcing is sub-par, they seem to have been given a number of chances yet still don’t understand what people have an issue with vis-a-vis their editing style. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the comparison, and the comments on editing style @Horse Eye's Back. It's constructive to read, and I'll take note about editing the same info on related pages. Specific comments on editing style and content are welcome!
What's not very constructive are accusations, which begin this thread, and seem to be based on a misinterpretation of an unanswered talk on Chen Quanguo: A retraction of the misinterpretation would be a good faith sign @CaradhrasAiguo that the misinterpretation was a simple error. Thanks. No retraction, no response.
It's this request for clarification that seems to be reinterpreted as an accusation of bad faith, which it certainly is not.
And on the flip side, the request was never answered. Period.
I've reviewed policy on "bad faith" for an exhaustive answer on the subject of accusations of bad faith. I have no need to go through the experience again (and @Usedtobecool was very helpful afterwards). Thus, the request was not an accusation.
That aside, the topic on Chen Quanguo at BLPN has a Nazi comparison? Imagine. I'll take a look. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 07:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thank you for helping me when I was a novice Wikipedian! I very much appreciated your help which has encouraged me to continue. 1Muskmelon (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks 1Muskmelon, and you're welcome. Drop me a line if you even need a hand. GirthSummit (blether) 15:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit Yaa sure :-) --1Muskmelon (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

"...excessively large, red shoes, oversized pantaloons, mismatched colors, a brightly painted clown face, perhaps shaking an enraged fist into the air and shouting in a sort of squeaky voice."

Do you have any suggestions as to how I should respond to this "lets you and him fight" behavior? [4]

I almost lost my temper when they called me a "dink".[5] Having obviously done extensive "opposition research" by trawling through my editing history, they no doubt knew that this was a pejorative that I would be familiar with and highly offended by. Unless they intended the racial slur (which I doubt) it means nitwit, jerk, nerd, dork, geek, swot, weenie[6] stupid, annoying, contemptible[7] useless, dipshit, fool, idiot, loser, jerk, or asshole.[8][9]

I just want to be left alone. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Guy Macon, I've removed it, and warned the editor about harassment. My personal advice on this one would be to leave it and see if they are prepared to draw a line under it; if they persist, let me know. GirthSummit (blether) 09:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I should also note that I missed the 'dink' comment previously - it's not a word I'm familiar with, and didn't jump off the screen at me so apologies for overlooking it before. If I'd seen it at the time I might have acted differently, but I don't imagine you want to reopen that thread. Let's see if they're willing to drop it; if not, they've been warned now. GirthSummit (blether) 09:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I was going to try to completely avoid all interactions with them, but they are trying to change basic policies in a rather self-serving way, and I felt that I should oppose the proposal. Please look over Wikipedia talk:Harassment#Addition to WP:HUSH. I will be happy to remove the part where I talk about the other editor if you think I went too far. I naturally have to doubt my own objectivity on this, so please be brutal if I didn't handle the attempt to change policy well. I can take it.
Guy Macon if I'm honest, I'd have missed out the part about the other editor, if I were you. Fine for you to oppose, but look at it like this - I've advised them that their edit was harassment, and they could be blocked if they repeat it; you've now just said that they are exactly the type of person that template was designed for. Without making any comment about the veracity or otherwise of that statement, it personalises the issue, and it could even be interpreted as baiting them to respond improperly. I think that your oppose vote would be more effective without it. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Good advice, and most appreciated. Done. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks - an improvement, I think. GirthSummit (blether) 17:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Just an FYI (no admin action required) I have withdrawn from editing the only article where I have interacted with TheMusicExperimental. [10] I do have an interest in health articles, but I just don't have what it takes to deal with the editor behavior that inevitably occurs in any US politics article. I believe that me staying away from that article seems to be a good solution. --Guy Macon (talk) 08:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Request to be authorised to use AutoWikiBrowser

Hi Girth Summit. First of all, thanks for the training you've given me in the CVUA so far, I'm learning quite a bit and am really enjoying it. I would like to use AutoWikiBrowser to perform quicker typo fixes and Manual Of Style fixes, however, it requires Administrators approval and was wondering if you'd authorise me? I decided to ask here that on the actual requests page since I hope you'll see past my relatively low edit count and know that I can be trusted and it doesn't look like many Administrators check the requests page. However, if you want me to ask on the requests page that's fine by me. Eyebeller (talk) 11:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eyebeller, no problem with you asking, but I think I would prefer it if you were to apply for permission at the relevant page; I've never used AWB myself, and I'm not familiar with the usual expectations for the permission - that would be better handled by someone with more familiarity I'm afraid. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 11:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the reply. Eyebeller (talk) 11:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Can you please audit my recent rollbacks with Huggle?

Hello again. Thanks for granting me the rollback permission again. I have made quite a few rollbacks using Huggle. If you have time, can you please audit some of these rollbacks so I know that I'm doing rollbacking correctly? Thanks. Eyebeller (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Eyebeller, hi - from a very quick spot check, they look fine - you're choosing the relevant option instead of just default vandalism reverting, so the edit sums and warnings seem appropriate. I haven't been through them all, but I'm confident you know what you're doing at this point. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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Your assignment order on my CVUA page

Hello again. Thanks for adding a new assignment to my CVUA page. However, I think you added it in the wrong order. Your reply to my previous answer isn't near my previous answer and you added new content above old content. I think you accidentally put the Speedy deletion examples just before the end instead of at the end. If this isn't a mistake I apologise. Eyebeller (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Eyebeller, yep, you're quite right - pasted it into the wrong place, my bad, fixed. GirthSummit (blether) 13:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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User:Girth Summit Hi! May I ask you to see if the book [[11]] is a reliable source? I am using the same with Technical textile, ISBN: 9789385059896; Title: Agro Textiles and Its Applications; Author: Grace Annapoorani; 2018 Imprint: Woodhead Publishing India.Kindly advice. Best regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 12:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

RAJIVVASUDEV, I'm not an expert on the subject matter but, on the face of it, that looks to me like a reasonable source for basic information about textile fibres. The author is apparently an academic in a relevant discipline (Google scholar link), and while the publisher isn't one I've ever heard of, it doesn't look dodgy to me. On the other hand, taking a quick skim through some of the pages, I see some quite bold claims within the book which don't appear to be expanded upon, or backed up by any footnotes - for example, quite early on it baldly says 'jute is the most environmentally friendly fibre', but it doesn't go on to explain exactly what is meant by that, or why the author believes it to be the case. I wouldn't rely on this book on its own to support adding an assertion of that nature to an article, without at least attributing the opinion to the author. Note that I haven't investigated things like reviews or citation ratings - to identify a real heavyweight source, I'd be looking to see how many other scholars have cited it, and/or how it has been reviewed in scholarly journals within the relevant discipline. But yeah, for basic uncontested information this is probably fine. Best GirthSummit (blether) 12:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit Thanks for your immediate response and advice. Warm regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 12:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
For info, while the book may be an acceptable source, for that Jute claim, certainly not. The whole classification thing that Agrotech is part of is a marketing initiative, by a commercial organisation that is trying to market its services, that wikipedia should not treat as definitive. just a passing comment. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 16:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Roxy Appreciate your concern. So it is suitable for the rest of the article. I will not use/try to change the source from that particular section (Agrotech). Thanks and RegardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 02:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Do not twist my words. I did not say that the book is suitable for the rest of the article. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 08:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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Negative Biography

I wrote in the talk page the information you deleted from his biography but it was deleted from talk page.

In his biography has 3 accusations which are false information it came into his Thai Wikipedia using English reference.

https://th.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B8%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%8A_%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A5

Please Considering add the following information that you deleted to our Education Minister who founded school for 4.53 million Thai Children age between 3-17 years old between 1995-1997

Proposed addition

Minister for Education (1995–1997)

Rangsitpol was appointed Minister of Education. His challenge was for Thailand to achieving educational excellence by the year 2007. During his two -year tenure,Rangsitpol launched education reforms between 1995-1997 .

The goal of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

[1]

The Reform Program of 1996. A sense that major changes are needed in education is reflected in the recently introduced "reform program". It is built around four major improvements:

  • improving the physical state of schools
  • upgrading the quality of teachers
  • reforming learning and teaching methods
  • streamlining administration

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/605431468777588612/text/multi-page.txt


According to UNESCO, Thailand education reform 1996 has led to the following results:

1)Free12 years education for all children provided by the government. This program was added to the 1997 Constitution of Thailand and gave access to all citizens.

2)Since 1996, first grade students have been taught English as a second or foreign language and computer literacy.

3)The educational budget increased from 133 billion baht in 1996 to 163 billion baht in 1997 (22.5% increase)

4)Professional advancement from teacher level 6 to teacher level 7 without having to submit academic work for consideration was approved by the Thai government. [2]

5) Thailand has implemented School-based management (SBM) policy in 1997 to overcoming a profound crisis in the education system.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Decentralisation-And-School-Based-Management-In-Gamage-Sooksomchitra/73d67d185318eaf95a227b8bfb297d2bd6b26750

Establish effective Provincial Education Councils with strong community membership. The purpose of decentralization is to ensure that local education needs are met, there should be a close relationship between community representatives and officials . Thus, decentralization will require a careful balance between the guidance of community selected representatives and government officials. To representing local needs and priorities.

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/605431468777588612/text/multi-page.txt 2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:9D03:7FFF:F008:C1D (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ Dachakupt, Pimpan (1999). "The current innovation in curriculum development in Thailand". International Journal of Curriculum Development and Practice. 1: 93–101. Retrieved 8 October 2020.
  2. ^ Education Management Profile: Thailand (PDF). Bangkok: UNESCO PRINCIPAL REGIONAL OFFICE FOR ASIA AND THE PACIFIC. 1998. Retrieved 8 October 2020.

Hi IP, as I said when I removed the content, I feel that a detailed discussion of the UNESCO's assessment of education reforms in Thailand would belong at Education in Thailand, but not at the biographical article about the Minister for Education. As for the accusations that you mention, I'm afraid I don't recognise that - I don't see any accusations of impropriety on the page, and to say that someone was embroiled in a scandal is not to say that he was guilty of any wrongdoing; if academic sources have written about this (one is cited, with a direct quotations, in the article) there's no reason I can see why it shouldn't be mentioned in the article. With regard to the Thai Wiki page, we at EnWiki have no control over the content there, but from what I can see Thai Wiki is not using EnWiki as a source, they are using the same academic source that we are. With all that being said, the correct place to have this discussion is over at the article's talk page, where other editors with an interest in the subject matter will be able to weigh in, not here at my talk page. I can only suggest that you discuss it there. Best GirthSummit (blether) 09:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I wrote in the talk page and it was deleted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/983726677 2403:6200:89A7:7CAF:9D03:7FFF:F008:C1D (talk) 09:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I appreciate that. I think that the problem was that you were mixing up the points you were making with a load of text you were proposing be added to the article, and it was very hard to make sense of. I'd suggest that you attempt to address things one at a time, and be specific about the changes you want to make, and the problems you have with the source. From my perspective, it looks like there is a reliable source literally saying that he became embroiled in the scandal - you'll have to be clear about why you think that should be removed. Best GirthSummit (blether) 09:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
It was Mr.Akom accusations in the Parliament no confidence vote.He won the vote and sue Mr.Akom .Mr. Akom lost the case its was the deformation case .
The LGBTQ ban was never been approved.
The 100 millions baht donation if its was true the party would be dissolved.The source was from Malaysian Australian and American Literature and its based on Fake News.The subject sue the person and won the case .(He also won the no confidence vote about those accusations.)2403:6200:89A7:9EC6:2868:7111:6958:D884 (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Full protection for the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography page?

Hi, Girth. As you can see here, there is back and forth edit warring over pieces regarding MOS:BIRTHNAME. And it doesn't look like it will stop. Will you full-protect the page to stop the disruption and until things are worked out on the talk page? I'm thinking that it needs at least a week of full protection. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry; my thumb did not go where I intended it to. Flyer22 Frozen's revert on this page was 100% correct, and I would have self-reverted as soon as I noticed the error (probably right around now). Again, my apologies. Newimpartial (talk) 19:40, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Full protection is maybe no longer needed, Girth. A new RfC will very likely be started. Maybe just temporarily keep an eye on the page? Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Paul Sinha

Hi... Hope all okay with you. Could you or another admin look at the editing on Paul Sinha? Whispyhistory (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Whispyhistory, good to hear from you. I wish I could say everything was great, things are a bit tricky at the moment, but I guess that's the same for a lot of people - hope it's alright at your end. I've looked at the article, and the IP address that was causing the disruption has been blocked already. It looks stable now, but if the disruption starts up again let me know and I'll apply page protection and/or block the IP for longer. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you... I hope things settle for you. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

You would make a terrific arbitrator

Hi Girth – hope all has been well for you! Have you given any thought to running in WP:ACE2020? If you do you would have my support in a heartbeat. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 01:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

L235: Hey Kevin, good to hear from you. I'm gratified that you'd put your trust in me, but if I've got some stuff going on in real life at the moment that is going to be soaking up quite a bit of my time for a while, I'm not sure how much time I'll have available in the weeks/months ahead. I imagine that both running for and serving on arbcom would be quite a time commitment, so I wouldn't want to put myself forward just to let people down later. Thanks for the support - maybe next time! GirthSummit (blether) 15:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
I totally understand – best of luck with everything then KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 00:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Zendaya

Zendaya

Hi Girth Summit, I’m Writing to compliment you on the way you handled that guy who vandalized my Photo of Zendaya.

First, that you justly blocked him, and second, your explanation that I was a professional celebrity photographer who has a long history of regularly contributing legitimate professional photos of celebrities to Wikipedia.

I also want to say that I haven’t been contributing anything since the T-ban, not only because of that, but also beause I haven’t had much of anything new. Because of the virus, Everything has been Cancelled. And I mean EVERTYHING, even down to the most insignificant press junket about a short documentary of the mating habits of turtles, to Movie premieres or big Award Shows. ALL have been canceled indefinitely. Something else: Soon, or at least sometime maybe this year, things are going to start up again. And I’m going to be there, front and center taking new pictures of years and years worth of celebrities galore.

Here’s a few things to NOTE: I do not take pictures for Wikipedia or for the purpose of posting them on Wikipedia.

The pictures I donate to Wikipedia. I take during my job as a professional Photojournalist. As soon as I take them I forward them immediately to editors who edit them as quickly as possible to prepare and present them to be published in magazines, News and Entertainment websites, and celebrity photo Agencies such as Getty Images, Alamy., PRPhotos, Shutterfly, and others.


That gets to another thing that needs to be put to rest. The most ridiculous thing imaginable is your absurd belief that somehow I was using Wikipedia to promote myself as a photojournalist. 1). The last thing I need to do is promote myself anywhere. I am so overloaded, so overworked, and so far over-capacity that I cannot even think of taking on anything more than what I already have. I cannot handle it. And if I did ever think of promoting myself, Wikipedia is the last and the worst place to do especially the foreign ones. Of all the photos I have contributed to Wikipedia, I have never received any benefit from any of . In fact it’s very stupid of me to do so. It’s against my own interest, a substantial financial loss and against all common sense and reason, which is why no other Professional Photographers do so. As a press photographer, taking photos is my job, for the purpose of selling them to magazines and other entertainment publications and presentations. If someone is looking for a photo of a certain celebrity and If I have a photo of that celebrity on sale for say $500 and also the same for free on Wikipedia, why would somebody pay $500 instead of nothing for the same photo? Would you?


However, lastly, I, as a very caring and compassionate person who in my line of work I come face to face with lies and injustice on a regular basis and I do have more than a few injustices that disturb me greatly. For example; Domestic Violence, abusing, insulting, degrading, character assignation of other people,Stalking, and killing of other people, especially models, as in the case of Amie Harwick. It’s different and personal when you know these people and you know that what some editors say is nothing but hate and lies. Anyway, again, good job on your blocking of that guy who removed my photo of Zendaya and your explanation that I was a legitimately long time contributor to Wikipedia.

-Glenn

Toglenn Hi again, yeah what that guy was saying before just didn't stack up at all. You and I have had disagreements in the past, but I didn't believe for a second that you were uploading photographs you didn't own the rights to.
Please remember that I did not accuse you of using Wikipedia to promote your work. I did say that your editing might have given the impression that that is what you are doing - lots of people do actually try to do that, after all - but I'm happy to believe that it wasn't your intent. I'm sorry that the pandemic has had such a serious impact on your professional activities, but it's good to hear that you are likely to be busy again soon. Provided you continue to abide by the conditions of the TBan, I'll be delighted if you continue to contribute your work here. Best GirthSummit (blether) 13:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Spam on Noticeboard

Hi Girth Summit I see you were recently active can you have at look at this diff They are trying to add a request for confirmed status or just inserting spam? JW 1961 Talk 11:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Joseywales1961, sorry, only intermittently active. It's been reverted already, at a guess I'd say it was someone who was trying to create an article and didn't understand the instructions. GirthSummit (blether) 13:06, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, Thanks, thought so alright - didn't want to revert it myself as it was on a noticeboard JW 1961 Talk 13:08, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

How can I reduce the number of false positives? Look at my talk.

How can I reduce the number of false positives? Look at my talk page. 23:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

4thfile4thrank Hi - sorry, I don't understand, what am I looking for on your talk? What false positives are you referring to? GirthSummit (blether) 06:55, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


@Girth Summit: Flase positived mean that I revert good edits by mistake, or give the wrong ang/or overly harsh warning. 4thfile4thrank {talk} :? 12:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
4thfile4thrank, hi - I'm afraid that I find it difficult to comment on an entire talk page, are there particular examples that you'd like to discuss? My general advice would be to read WP:VANDALISM carefully (like, really read it, don't just skim it - try to read between the lines and understand the spirit of the guidance). Also read WP:AGF - it's often quoted, but seldom actually read. WP:OFWV is also a pledge which I have taken to heart - only assume vandalism when there is no reasonable alternative explanation. Best GirthSummit (blether) 21:00, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Removing edit from history

Can you take a look on this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_on_social_media&diff=prev&oldid=989721723 please. It may be necessary to delete this edit also from the history. Thanks Gehenna1510 (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Gehenna1510, I'd consider that 'purely disruptive material', so removed. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit Thanks. We may expect to find such edits in the next weeks. Gehenna1510 (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Insistent changes

Hi. There are problems with insistent changes in this article. This guy was not a historian, but one user (Usually he/she makes changes without logging into an account) insists on calling him a "historian". In modern times, one has to graduate from a history department to be officially a "historian". Otherwise, there are thousands of writers who have wrote essays and books about history, and if we call them "historians" there will be chaos. I request that the article in question be protected. - Aybeg (talk) 08:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Aybeg, I don't have a view on the matter, I've never heard of him. Our policy is to go by what reliable sources say. If they call him an historian, so do we; if they don't, we don't. That said, the lead shouldn't be cluttered up with too many different descriptions of what he has done - it should say what he's primarily notable for. Consider dispute resolution if you and the other editor can't agree. GirthSummit (blether) 09:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
He was called "historian" in some reports, but he was actually a lawyer. He wrote historical revisionist books from the perspective of Islamist ideology. That's why Islamists insist on calling him a historian. You can compare him to David Irving. - Aybeg (talk) 09:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Mediation at "Syrian Kurdistan"

I have opened a discussion with some historical problems: [12]. I have realized that its pointless to talk to some of the others at that talkpage, so I only want to talk with you as a mediator. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Supreme Deliciousness, briefly, I don't see how I can mediate a discussion if you aren't willing to talk to the other parties involved. By offering to mediate I meant that I would try to help prevent either side slipping back into personal attacks and keep the discussion focussed on content and sourcing, not that I would become some sort of go-between between two sets of people who weren't speaking to each other. With that said, I will take a look at your thread and comment now. GirthSummit (blether) 06:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if you've seen Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Supreme_Deliciousness_(talk_·_contribs_·_deleted_contribs_·_logs_·_edit_filter_log_·_block_user_·_block_log)_and_WP:TENDENTIOUS_editing_on_Syrian_Kurdistan but I think this editor's particular perspective and involvement in the state of the article is amply summarized there. I don't know if it's really worth engaging with them. GPinkerton (talk) 10:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Getting a solution for Syrian Kurdistan

Thanks for taking an interest in this topic. For example, the current ANI thread: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Syrian Kurdistan, at war again. Occasionally we can use the statements of the arguing editors to piece together an impression of the reality of what's being talked about. With the Syria/Kurd business it is just a bit too confusing to understand a little bit at a time. So a relatively-understandable ANI thread might be a way to make progress. I wish we could persuade people to settle for a journalistic description of the status quo. What parties and factions do the newspapers say that there are? Do the journals believe that AANES really exists? How do they describe it? Here on Wikipedia we don't have enough scholars of the Kurds to treat Kurdish history more than skin deep. We should allow relatively shallow articles to be written if they agree with what's in the press. At least, that's a strategy. EdJohnston (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

EdJohnston, I'd like to help resolve this, if I can. I don't know whether the fact that I know almost nothing about the topic would be a strength or a weakness in this regard - I genuinely have no view on the matter, and don't know what the sources say. Do you think that ANI is the right place to sort it out though? I mean, there are obvious behavioural issues on both sides, but can address the content issue at ANI? Shouldn't that be done via DR? I'm wondering whether I should make a proposal at the (now multiple) ANI threads along the lines of everyone taking a break from the PAs and accusations, and committing to going through a moderated DR process in which we can thrash out the core content issues in a civilised manner. That kind of approach would be new territory for me though, have you had much experience with it? GirthSummit (blether) 10:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
There is now a plausible talk page discussion complete with RfCs at Talk:Syrian Kurdistan. Maybe the best plan is for some admins to watch that page and perhaps warn or block some people for personal attacks. I'd like to find some way of omitting or postponing discussions of historical items where there is no practical chance for anyone on Wikipedia to collect good enough scholarship. E.g. the exact state of things in Syria in 1922. Our article doesn't require knowing that or supplying it to Wikipedia readers. EdJohnston (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
EdJohnston, jings. That discussion on the talk page is growing faster than I have time to read through it, and I'm not certain that my input has been positive. Can you explain your idea of omitting/postponing historical items a bit further? GirthSummit (blether) 18:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Renewed incivility and personal attacks by user GPinkerton

Hi Girth, sorry for keeping you busy with this, but do you mind looking into this new rude personal attack by user GPinkerton. Also, I am not sure whether you are aware of this WP:AN case open against them for the exact same reason; incivility and personal attacks across a wide range of articles. I would also appreciate if you can weigh in on the arguments presented here and here, especially on Pinkerton misrepresenting content and dates of sources. Thanks for your time, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 06:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

عمرو بن كلثوم, yes, I saw that comment on the talk page a few minutes ago, I am composing a response to that. I'm not sure what you're asking me to weigh in on with regards to the arguments about sourcing - as I think I've already said, I know nothing about the subject and have not read any of the sources. My role in the discussion, if I have one, is to help keep it focussed and civil, not to offer opinions. GirthSummit (blether) 06:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

That approach is not going to work. Nothing will make these people see sense. There is no benefit to allowing this farce to continue. This editor, and the other two denialists, have clearly never learnt from their history of blocks and ArbCom topic bans for nationalistic disruption regarding the Middle East and action clearly needs to be taken. Will you please comment on either of my ANI reports concerning this issue? Or respond to any of the numerous requests for your opinion on the interpretation of basic English sentences? (No specialist knowledge is required ...) Civil discussion with this kind of ideological campaign is of no benefit to this project and these editors are clearly not here to benefit the encyclopaedia. We have wasted enough time on this rigmorale; they are never going to accept reliable sources, and will never produce anything meaningful of their own. If you are going to mediate, then please mediate! What else is there to try? GPinkerton (talk) 07:32, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you can edit to add the material I have suggested, and which, other than personal attacks and denials, has not meaningfully been objected to. GPinkerton (talk) 07:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

If even a fraction of the time that has been spent seeking to find fault with me had been spent on examining the issue at hand this would have been over weeks ago. GPinkerton (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton, tbh, if other editors didn't have to spend all the time on this stuff, maybe they'd have the capacity to deal with the other. Just stop commenting about other editors. It's really that simple. —valereee (talk) 15:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: No that's not accurate. I raised an ANI report about the tendentious editing going on and a fat nothing was done about it. Someone else later making an unrelated ANI report about my actions, for which due action had already been taken, can hardly be said to be me wasting time. Plenty of people in that discussion seemed to find no qualm making outrageous and insulting claims about my behaviour, but as soon as I point out they have a grudge against me for calling out the POV-push in the first ANI thread I'm the one that's uncivil! Something is going badly wrong in this situation and incivility on my part is the least of it, and by a good few furlongs. GPinkerton (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
GPinkerton, as soon as I point out they have a grudge against me is the problem. You're commenting on their motivations. And here I am, on a day I have a timeline of what goes in and out of which oven at what time in order to have 7 dishes ready at the same time, explaining that again.
I'm sure you're right that there are worse things going on at that article than your behavior. Right now the very prospect of figuring out what's going on there is completely daunting. I've added an archive, but jeez. The walls of text. —valereee (talk) 16:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: It's not slander if it's true. See my most recent Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unequivocal_TENDENTIOUS_editing_by_عمرو_بن_كلثوم_on_Syrian_Kurdistan ANI thread for one of the freshest examples. GPinkerton (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
GPinkerton, no idea what you're pointing me at, but it's not slander if it's true is the problem. It really doesn't matter whether it's true or not. When you say someone's got a grudge against you and that's why they're doing something, you're proving that you're assuming bad faith. Nothing here works without the assumption of good faith. The rest of our pillars might as well just go away. This is the reason people keep focussing on your comments about other editors rather than whatever problems with edits you're pointing out. AGF is the bedrock. It's the World Turtle. —valereee (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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Is there a way to watch IP users' contributions?

Hi, I often spot some edits by IP-users, which are sometimes plain, simple vandalism and sometimes they seem like tests or jokes. I would like to be able to follow such IP for some time to see if the user evolves into a full-time vandal or rather becomes a regular contributor. Is there any way to do that semi-automatically? Of course I can put relevant Contributions/XX.XX.XX.XX link into favourites in my browser and visit it periodically, but that's not a convenient way. Is there any mechanism I can use to be notified on any new contributions of a specific IP-user? --CiaPan (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!


Hello Girth Summit, Wishing you a joyous holiday season and a happy and peaceful New Year. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 23:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Cassiopeia - wishing the same to you and yours, I hope the new year is kind to you. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 00:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Girth Summit, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021.
Happy editing,
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@Girth Summit May you be showered with good health, wealth, peace and prosperity. Merry Christmas to you and your family! RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 01:59, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

[[ Merry Christmas!
Hello Girth, wishing u a merry Christmas! Megan☺️ Talk to the monster 11:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey Megan - thanks, and the same to you! GirthSummit (blether) 11:11, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Girth Summit, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. 

scope_creepTalk 11:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey scope creep, and the same to you! Good to hear from you, I really appreciate your reaching out. Hope you have a peaceful time, and a Better New Year. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~
Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!
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Hello, Girth Summit! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Since you like Christmas trees, I'll branch off with a Spirobranchus giganteus

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus giganteus)

Atsme 💬 📧 20:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Time To Spread A Little
Happy Holiday Cheer!!
I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree
in the spirit of the season.

What's especially nice about
this digitized version:
*it doesn't need water
*won't catch fire
*and batteries aren't required.
Have a very Merry Christmas

and a prosperous New Year!!

🍸🎁 🎉
Hey Atsme - thanks for the cool blue worm, but I have to be honest, I feel huggier about trees (see message above!). I hope that you and yours have a peaceful holiday season, and that the new year brings you nice things. Christmassy Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 20:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Oh wait, wow - just realised you already read the tree comment, and made a special tree worm greeting in response - I'm super touched, thanks Atsme. They really are remarkable looking little critters, aren't they... GirthSummit (blether) 00:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

File:Christmas tree in field.jpg Merry Christmas Girth Summit

Hi Girth Summit, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness.
Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Onel5969 - I like the idea of being like a tree, all strong and supple. Plus people are allowed to hug them, even in these troubled times. GirthSummit (blether) 20:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, well... you have girth... and there is a summit... Onel5969 TT me 00:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Wishing you a better 2021. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Whispy, hope you have a peaceful one. Maybe catch up at a meet up next year, if things get normal again. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the CVUA

Hello Girth Summit, a few months ago, I asked Puddleglum2.0 (who was my CVUA trainer) if I could become a CVUA trainer myself. They said that I should wait a couple more months, so I responded that I'd come back around the new year. However, they haven't edited in some time, so I'm asking you if I'm ready to become a CVUA trainer. It's fine if you decline. Thanks, Thanoscar21talkcontributions 16:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, hi - thanks for putting yourself forward. Give me a bit of time to review your contributions and I'll get back to you after Christmas. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your time! Thanoscar21talkcontributions 22:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanoscar21, hi there. So, I haven't seen anything in your contribs that concerns me, but I note that there was a big drop in your contributions after that discussion with Puddleglum, and you have only started editing again in a major way this month. Is there a reason for that? CVUA Training is pretty time-consuming - are you sure you're going to be able to put the time in? Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 17:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit, around that time, I noticed I accidentally signed an email with ~~~~, and realized just how involved I became in Wikipedia. I decided to step back for a while, and now, I'm trying to edit a little bit more mindfully. I have enough free time; when I'm not editing, I'm usually lurking, reading some other article. Thanks, Thanoscar21talkcontributions 22:42, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanoscar21, hah! Yes, I frequently sign e-mails like that - I only wish it worked!
Fair enough on the taking a step back. Well, there aren't any formal requirements for acting as a trainer - I am happy for you to go ahead and put your name down as a trainer. My training material is at User:Girth_Summit/CVUA/Sections, feel free to make a local copy and use it.
While snooping around in your contribs, I didn't see much activity at UAA - let me know if you want any guidance about that, or if you have any questions.
I couldn't see that you maintained a CSD log - do you do much CSD nominating? You can enable a log in your Twinkle preferences, which tracks your nominations - I do that partly for transparency purposes, and also because it helps you keep track of your own nominations, see which ones get deleted and which ones don't, which is a useful learning tool. I'd recommend that you do it. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 11:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips! Yeah, I don't do too much at UAA. The only times I really go to CSD is for U5, usually. Thanks again for your time, Thanoscar21talkcontributions 15:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas & Let's See Out the Year!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! In this toughest of years, thank you for continuing to care about others - both in your editing, your words, and just in your being. Roll on 2021 and I'll see you there!
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Thanks Nosebagbear - same to you, here's hoping for a better time next year. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

Donner60 (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Donner60 thanks very much - the same to you and yours. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Made a minor fix in your User page

I have fixed a minor error in the layout of the Four Award in your Shiny things at User:Girth Summit#Vanity

The change: Special:Diff/992157172

CiaPan (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

CiaPan, thanks - not sure when that crept in, must have screwed it up a while ago and not noticed.
On your question about about monitoring specific IPs - nothing is jumping to mind. I guess you could put a link to their contribs in your sandbox and click on it periodically, but you can't watchlist contributions pages for changes. There might be some clever widgets out there that would do the job, but I'm afraid I can't point to anything. (Any talk page stalkers should feel free to chime in...) GirthSummit (blether) 11:18, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
There's a ToDo List script I use to keep track of a couple of user contributions pages. I can't remember the name of it and it's not (er, to me) obvious where I can jog my memory. —valereee (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Here it is: User:BrandonXLF/TodoList —valereee (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: Thank you, I'll try it. :) CiaPan (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: Thanks for the hint. I took a look and the ToDo list does for me exactly what I needed. Thank you very much! CiaPan (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
PS. I also thank Girth Summit for hosting this talk at his talk page. CiaPan (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
CiaPan, no worries - I'm glad that valereee was able to suggest something, I might take a peek at it myself! GirthSummit (blether) 15:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
CiaPan, so glad it was helpful! —valereee (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Girth Summit,

A chart of the 2020 New Page Patrol Queue

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank Username Num reviews Log
1 DannyS712 bot III (talk) 67,552 Patrol Page Curation
2 Rosguill (talk) 63,821 Patrol Page Curation
3 John B123 (talk) 21,697 Patrol Page Curation
4 Onel5969 (talk) 19,879 Patrol Page Curation
5 JTtheOG (talk) 12,901 Patrol Page Curation
6 Mcampany (talk) 9,103 Patrol Page Curation
7 DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 6,401 Patrol Page Curation
8 Mccapra (talk) 4,918 Patrol Page Curation
9 Hughesdarren (talk) 4,520 Patrol Page Curation
10 Utopes (talk) 3,958 Patrol Page Curation
Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

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18:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

86.146.18.128 making hundreds of genre changes

Hi, I would like your advice on how to handle a situation. On 24 Nov. I noticed this new user User:86.146.18.128, who between 3 Nov and 24 Nov made over 600 edits, all (as far as I can see) being unsourced changes to movie catgories and genres, with a few music genre changes as well. I added a warning on their talk page, and they immediately replied on my talk page with an apology. I thought this was a promising sign that they might be redirected to constructive editing, so I left a more detailed message on their talk page explaining our RS policies. They did not reply to this, but after a few days resumed changing genres, albeit at a somewhat slower rate than previously. I added another warning on their talk page, which they again have not responded to.

I'm not sure this behavior rises to ANI level, but since they are no longer responding to communication I'm not sure what is the best venue to address this. I don't have the time or patience to revert all of their hundreds of edits, nor the experience in managing movie genres/categories to know whether some of them might be valid. What would you recommend? CodeTalker (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

CodeTalker, hi there. I just took a very quick look at a few of the contribs. The ones I looked at appear to be the addition of categories - is that the kind of thing you're talking about? Changed like that don't themselves have to be sourced, but they should make sense within the context of the sourced content within the article. The ones I looked at didn't look ridiculous, but I only have a quick glance - is your problem the fact that the edits are unsourced, or that they're nonsensical? You don't have to trawl through all of their edits, but if you'd be willing to check a few and tell me if there are any glaring issues, that would be great. GirthSummit (blether) 19:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes, most of the edits are additions of categories. I wasn't aware that such changes are exempt from sourcing requirements, so perhaps this isn't an issue. However, there are a number of their edits that change or remove existing categories as well as adding new ones, like [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], all from just one day of editing. As I said, I'm not very experienced with managing categories, so perhaps these changes are not a concern either? CodeTalker (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
CodeTalker, hi there, I'll try to find time to take a proper look. In terms of sourcing, it's not so much that categories are specially exempt, it's more that they are usually based on sourced content within the article already. If we have an article about a Japanese horror film that isn't categorised as such, it's no problem for someone to add the cat without adding a new source. If someone is adding the Japanese horror film cat to an English costume drama, that's a different matter. GirthSummit (blether) 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Flyer22 and WanderingWanda arbitration case opened

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Counter-Vandalism

Hello! I'm a quite new Wikipedian, and I aspire to wipe out vandalism and join you in fighting it! I'd love if you mentored me in my journey. I'm @TheJinxedJackRabbit. Thank you!

Hi TheJinxedJackRabbit, thanks for your interest in countering vandalism, and sorry for taking a few days to get back to you - I confess that I've been very busy, and it slipped my mind. I'm afraid that I'm not taking on new students at the moment - I'm pretty busy with, other projects. Please consider approaching one of the other trainers, or coming back to me in a few weeks. Best GirthSummit (blether) 23:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Sukavich Rangsitpol

The following information was deleted from talk page. Sukavich Rangsitpol is Thai Education Reformer between 1995-1997 his education reform resulted in many changes in Thai Education.

Between 1995-1997 the minister of education, Sukavich Rangsitpol, launched a series of education reforms in 1995 with the i”goal”of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

หรือ การปฏิรูปการศึกษาเพื่อการพัฒนา คุณภาพชีวิต ในปี 2538-2540

I saw the following was deleted from his article.

Hmm this will never end it seems... (And hello, Summit). —PaleoNeonate – 13:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Minister for Education (1995–1997)

Rangsitpol was appointed Minister of Education. His challenge was for Thailand to achieving educational excellence by the year 2007. During his two -year tenure,Rangsitpol launched education reforms between 1995-1997 .

The goal of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

[1]

According to UNESCO, Thailand education reform has led to the following results:

  • Free12 years education for all children provided by the government. This program was added to the 1997 Constitution of Thailand and gave access to all citizens.
  • The educational budget increased from 133 billion baht in 1996 to 163 billion baht in 1997 (22.5% increase)
  • Professional advancement from teacher level 6 to teacher level 7 without having to submit academic work for consideration was approved by the Thai government. [2]

School-based management (SBM) in Thailand began in 1997 in the course of a reform aimed at overcoming a profound crisis in the education system.[3]สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC) https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html Rangsitpol achievements in 1996 were also hidden in the above links.สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 05:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/605431468777588612/text/multi-page.txt

17. Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Reform Program of 1996. introduced "reform program". Iaround four major improvements:

1996 Education Reform = Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Reform สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This Article Deformation my country and my best education minister Thailand had never ban any LGBTQ from anything including Teacher college.It was never been approved. This article based on FaKe NEWS. According to World Bank and UNESCO Thailand had achieved Education for All in 1997.

https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html

What to do with the article that use FAKE NEWS as sources. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html My best Thai Education Minister achievements in 1996 were also hidden in the above links. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

1) In August 1996 the Government(by Minnistry of Education ) endorsed an operational plan against commercial sex services, calling for such measures as further compulsory education, more vocational education, an enhanced public information campaign, and professional training, especially of teachers and health care workers. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

2) In 1996 The Government(Ministry of Education ) and NGO's have already established vocational training and education programs to combat the lure of prostitution for young Thai women and their families. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

3) The Minister of Education Key among the human development proposals is an increased emphasis on extending compulsory education from grade 6 to grade 9 and to alleviating poverty in 1996. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

4) The bill, under consideration by the Chavalit Cabinet (Rangsitpol was Education Minister )since December, would provide a fund to assist such children and initiate a parenting education program. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

An analysis based on population and school enrollment data shows that between 850,000 and 1,480,000 children work in Thailand, mostly on family farms. Between 240,000 and 410,000 (2 to 4 percent of the 6 to 14 age group) are estimated to be in urban employment at particular risk of labor abuse.

Rangsitpol was also addressing the problem of child labor by proposing to extend compulsory education from 6 to 9 years. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

During his trip to the Philippines, H.E. Mr Sukavich Rangsitpol was conferred an Honorary Degree of Doctor of Education by the Philippine Normal University. His will to reform education and strong leadership in educational management were highly commended. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

https://www.seameo.org/vl/library/dlwelcome/photogallery/president/sukavich.htm สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

  1. ^ Dachakupt, Pimpan (1999). "The current innovation in curriculum development in Thailand". International Journal of Curriculum Development and Practice. 1: 93–101. Retrieved October 2020. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  2. ^ Education Management Profile: Thailand (PDF). Bangkok: UNESCO PRINCIPAL REGIONAL OFFICE FOR ASIA AND THE PACIFIC. 1998. Retrieved October 2020. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  3. ^ https://www.jstor.org/stable/4151600?seq=1
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