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Newbridge College

Why do you keep on changing Newbridge College's web page, you do not go to this school, you do not know what is going on in the school therefore what gives you the right to change. ill have you know that this material is not found offensive, and please refrain yourself from making any more corrections. thank you

Vandal has been blocked. --Syrthiss 16:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Dutch Gold

First of all, I'd like to offer my opinion of your good self. You seem, to me, to be another self-apointed "wikipedia guardian". Unfortunately this site is full of such people, removing valid material becuase, personally, they don't like it. We know what categgory these people fall into throughout history. That said I'd like to know why you keep editing the Dutch Gold site, in particular you keep deleting the "Phrases in the Vernacular" heading, using the "uncited" manourvere. Have you lost your mind? How is a loist of phrases under a "phrases in the vernacular" ever going to be cited. I mean you'll have to remove a sizable proportion of the pages on wikipedia, many of which have slang or vernacular terms, all of which are uncited. Please "PISS OFF" from the Dutch Gold page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayteecork (talk • contribs)

  • Please see WP:CIVIL - Ali-oops✍ 08:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Also please see WP:CITE and WP:V. (Not to mention WP:NFT.) Uncited unverifiable material does not belong on Wikipedia and is liable to be removed. Demiurge 09:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop Vandalising the Dutch Gold Page Owwmykneecap 16:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Nominals

I can only tell you what "Jtdirl" communicated to me; he said that US subjects get US nominals, and most of the rest of the world requires international nominals.

I am little obsessive-compulsive, and I felt that there should be consistency. I work hard too, and I certainly wouldn't bother if I knew that everything I do (ALMOST all of which is intended positively) were going to be reverted. That would be senseless. Doesn't it matter to the Wikipedia community that some UK subjects, for example, have US style nominals, while others have international nominals?? Rms125a@hotmail.com Christ. I'm reading through the messages people have left you. Please SOD OFF. You are clearly an asshole of catastrophic proportions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayteecork (talk • contribs)

Vandalism

How is it vandalism? I don't see a problem with it. Everything I wrote is true and none of it is defamatory or libellious. What is the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterculelum (talk • contribs)

  • Excuse my ignorance on this one, but I really don't understand the difficulty your having with my contributions. I'm sure you're not disputing the fact that Robert Kearney is an alumnus of Clongowes. I feel my contributions are at least as valid as yours.
  • Wait a minute. If you want me to read something, you can hardly expect me to trawl through that whole article for whatever it is you want me to note. I think you should consider selecting a few points for me, instead of quoting scripture that seems to be, on the whole, irrelevant. Once again, I really don't see what the matter is here, and why you feel you should own this Wiki. Also, on what grounds are you basing this waffle: "probably a war chant from the sub-continent of colonial India"?
  • Why haven't you contributed...?
  • Then why are you even on the page?

Finally, you haven't answered my question regarding Robert Kearney, OC. If you do not dispute the fact that Mr Kearney once attended Clongowes, I will resubmit the information about him.

  • If you don't know anything about CWC, why are you watching the page?
  • Okay but why CWC and not, say, Blackrock? You must have some interest in it...

Donnybrook

Stop targeting johnfullerton then, you know and i know madden is meets wikipedia criteria,

Just a few notes on this. If you are moving a page for any reason (including creating disambiguation page at the original location) please use the "move" tab to move the entire page history.

I've fixed this for Donnybrook (moving the page history to Donnybrook, Dublin and merging with your new edits). However, I've put the disambiguation content at Donnybrook (disambiguation) and made Donnybrook redirect to Donnybrook, Dublin. Why? Well, the US town has population 90. Yes, I kid you not. So the Irish one takes precedence (the other towns don't even have articles). There's a link at the top of the Irish page to the disambig page.

Hope my rearranging hasn't been too confusing!

Oh, b.t.w., if you're editing Irish topics you may be interested in the Irish Wikipedians' notice board! There are quite a few Irish Wikipedians' such as myself about if you think there's a particular Irish-related area needing attention.

zoney ♣ talk 11:49, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category:Causes célèbres

I notice you added Attorney General v. X to this category. It's been voted for deletion but I am trying to save it. Please come to Votes for undeletion to express your view. David | Talk 17:22, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Six Counties

They were the only party in the Dáil that refused to take an interest in the murder of an elected representative in the Republic of Ireland, and the possible cover-up of the murder by members of both police forces in Ireland.

Lapsed Pacifist 14:34, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Of course.

Lapsed Pacifist 16:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Dublin and Monaghan Bombings

re Dublin and Monaghan Bombings its easy to confuse Nassau St with South Leinster St --ClemMcGann 13:13, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

and my compliments on your patience with Tom Maguire --ClemMcGann 21:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Strabane

Hi Demiurge,

Thank you for your assistance with the Strabane NPOV dispute. It's a pity that the other editor/editors will not debate their reasonig properly as it only leaves revert as the most likely option to resolve.

I perhaps have overloaded myself and others with the Court info. One point to clear up though, which I've only just realised myself. There does not appear to be a ECHR ruling specifically on the IRA men shot in Strabane. These relate to other cases most notably Loughgall and Gibraltar.The only relvant ruling on the Strabane men that I can find is from the Belfast High Court and as far as I can see has never reached the ECHR. This was an undisclosed settlement between the British Ministry of Defense and the families, but I don't know the reason why it was settled. Either way there still appears to be no ruling on "Shoot-to-Kill".

As I'm new to Wikipedia any assistance you can give me as to how to resolve disputes would be most appreciated.

Cheers

--Strangelyb 23:47, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

This user is anti-Irish and anti-Republican. (this comment was left at 00:09, 23 August 2005 by User:217.43.199.251 (Talk | contribs)

Republican Sinn Féin

Just wanted to compliment you on your patience in dealing with the ongoing situation at Republican Sinn Féin. I know from similar edit wars on this topic at wiki.politics.ie that superhuman patience is required. The nasty comment left above seems to indicate that you are wearing him down. --Ryano 09:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Dublin statues

Hi- would you be able to reproduce the letter which you referenced at Talk:Dublin statues and their nicknames? I don't have a subscription to the internet version, nor did I buy today's Indo, so I missed it :) --Kwekubo 19:32, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks for that - and thanks for *correcting* the address, I forgot that :) --Kwekubo 23:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Michael Cusack

Speaking of Dublin statues have the good folk of North Dublin repaired the damaged statue of Sean Russell, the good Irish Nazi apparatchik yet?? I am suprised that West Belfast didn't beat them to it.


DID YOU READ JOYCE'S QUOTE??

I GUESS IT WOULD BE OUT OF WIKIPEDIA'S NPOV TO POINT OUT THAT THE CROATIAN FASCISTS (USTASE) HAD SECTARIAN ATAVISTIC MOTIVES FOR KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SERBS, JEWS AND GYPSIES.

OR THAT THE CRUSADES WERE INSPIRED BY DARK AND MIDDLE AGE "SECTARIAN" IMPULSES

OR THAT THE LOYALIST ATTACKS ON THE SHORT STRAND IN EAST BELFAST ARE SECTARIAN

OR THAT FATHER DES WILSON IS A SECTARIAN HATEMONGER

OR THAT SINN FEIN IS AN INEXTRICABLE UNIT OF THE IRA

OR THAT THE SHOOTING UP OF THE DARKLY PENTECOSTAL CHURCH IN COUNTY ARMAGH BY THE INLA WAS A SECTARIAN ACT

BUT NEVER FEAR--I WILL AMEND MY UNREDACTED VERSION TO MEET YOUR CONCERNS!!

SLAINTE. Rms125a@hotmail.com (Talk | Contribs)

Watch

Keep an eye out for LP's edits of Eamon de Valera and the famine articles. He is making dodgy POV changes to them too. *sigh* His antics at this stage have gone beyond a joke at this stage. He seems to want to turn Wikipedia in an internet arm of An Poblacht sometimes. Between a unionist asshole going around adding in unionist biases to things, and LP adding in republican biases, they are making a mockery of encyclopædic standards. FearÉIREANN\(caint)

Uladh

Northern Ireland naming dispute. You know you want to.

Lapsed Pacifist 09:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Unionist paramilitaries (1912 - )

What makes a loyalist unequivocally not a unionist? Could you please point me towards this Rubicon that must be crossed, or show me just how this political Pale is marked?

Lapsed Pacifist 17:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

It's a matter of precision. We do not use the term "nationalist paramilitaries" to describe the Provisional IRA, because this term implies a non-existent connection with the SDLP and other moderate nationalist groups. Demiurge 18:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


By the rationale of moderation, and to a lesser extent that of connection, the less-than-moderate DUP should be described as loyalist, rather than unionist. Yet I've never seen you do it.

Lapsed Pacifist 19:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Guns are the dividing line, and the DUP don't have them. They have (hypocritically) flirted with armed groups in the past but they don't have guns themselves. Just like your other pet phrase "six counties, "unionist paramilitaries" is straight out of the Sinn Féin phrasebook. The UDA, UVF, LVF and other armed groups on the unionist side and their supporters are universally described in the mainstream media as "loyalist", you're going to have to show a good reason why you want to call them something else.
(I'd be inclined to call the 1912 UVF "unionist" though, because they were part of the unionist mainstream in a way that the post-1969 groups weren't). Demiurge 19:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


"Guns are the dividing line.." Right. An armed nationalist becomes a republican. An armed unionist becomes a loyalist. So the Ulster Defence Regiment and the Royal Ulster Constabulary were loyalist organisations, but you haven't gotten around to putting that on their pages yet. You don't describe the DUP as loyalist as they don't have guns, yet you have no hesitation describing Sinn Féin as republican, yet Eddie Fullerton's family could easily tell you that Sinn Féin don't have guns either. The IRA do, and lots of them, but not Sinn Féin. As for the mainstream media "pet phrases", they refer to the Provisional IRA as the IRA, but the IRA article on Wikipedia ends in 1922. Go figure.

Lapsed Pacifist 20:02, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

"the Ulster Defence Regiment and the Royal Ulster Constabulary were loyalist organisations, but you haven't gotten around to putting that on their pages yet." -- neither have you gotten round to putting "unionist organizations" on their pages. Which suggests that you also see a distinction between the UDA/UVF/LVF and the RUC/UDR. (and before you run off and do this, I draw your attention to WP:POINT). Demiurge 20:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


Their unionism is made obvious in their articles. Their loyalism is not, although I await your rectification. I see a distinction between them, of course; the latter were usually in uniform, and had the veneer of respectability which every state profers to its servants. The services the former provided to the state went largely unacknowledged.

Lapsed Pacifist 20:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

"Their unionism is made obvious in their articles." -- and so is the unionism of the LVF/UDA/UVF. Demiurge 20:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


Which is why I'm not writing about unionism in their articles. I'm describing them as unionist in other articles, as I would with the uniformed groups, as this particular political philosophy informs much of their actions. As clear as an unmuddied lake, I would have thought.

Lapsed Pacifist 01:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

You would have more credibility on this if you were also inserting references to the PIRA, OIRA and INLA as "nationalist paramilitaries". You'd still be in the wrong, but at least you wouldn't be a hypocrite as well. Demiurge 08:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


And there was me thinking "Guns are the dividing line..". It's a clear demarcation on one side alright. Republicans have guns or support those who do, nationalists don't, so nationalist is used to describe those who reject utterly the use of violence. On the other side, however, loyalists have guns, as do unionists, and they both support those who do. The division is far less stark, which is why I see no need for false precision. There's as yet no term in the political lexicon to describe a unionist who rejects utterly the use or the threat of violence.

Lapsed Pacifist 09:40, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Since you're now admitting that your reason for making this change is to push your POV that the RUC/UDR/RIR/PSNI and UDA/UVF/LVF are equivalent, that leaves me in no doubt whatsoever that reverting your changes is appropriate. Demiurge 10:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


I didn't say that they were equivalent. But you're attempting to mark a boundary that doesn't exist. Loyalism morphs almost seamlessly into unionism. The same cannot be said for nationalism and republicanism. Sinn Féin, and all sections of unionism have at one time or another defended killings, and argued that those who killed were right to do so. The SDLP have never done this.

Lapsed Pacifist 11:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi. You still seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the term "unionist paramilitaries" is one used exclusively by Irish republicans. I assure you this is not the case. It is used by academics and at least one leading non-nationalist politician in the six counties, David Ford. Not for the first time, I'm going to ask you to do some research.

Lapsed Pacifist 18:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Demiurge--Thanks for compromising on Basil Cardinal Hume. 63.164.145.85 11:29, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Tiny block

Hi there! I've placed a block on that IP for 15 minutes. I'll be monitoring the edits from that source after it expires. Let me know if you have any questions! --HappyCamper 18:20, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

No problem. It just so happened that I saw you place the test3 tag when I was on RC patrol and thought "hmm...better take a closer look at this". I'll wait and see what happens after the 15 minutes. --HappyCamper 18:25, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Ahoghill Attacks - "Weasel Words"

Ouch. I was just trying to tone down the horror unleashed by Lapsed Pacifist without turning it into a revert war. I'd feel bad if the 'weasel words' comment was aimed at me. Nearside 12:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

No, that's fine, I understand why you did it, and I agree. I guess I just still feel dirty from even being associated with LP's previous work. I'm glad you edited it out. Nearside 14:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

RE: User Rms125a@hotmail.com

Sir, I have done research on User:Rms125a@hotmail.com, Robert Sieger. He is using a number of IP's to make edits. Including:

If you look at the "User contributions" for these IP's, as well as the Rms125a@hotmail.com account, you will see that the edits are of the same subject type, and style, the Robert likes to use. Also all but one of the IP's is New York City, and the lone hold-out is LA, but at Kinko's (or so it says). I feel like he is either spending some time in LA, or works for the IS department at Kinko's, etc, and is able to proxy through that facility. If you look at the talk pages for all the accounts mentioned, and the edits that he does, in total he would have been blocked along time ago for all the POV and style breaks that he has done. But, every time he gets in a little trouble he switches accounts. Also if you look at contributions, I don't know how he does it, he makes 50 edits an hour, he is like a machine sometimes, make little changes to one bio, then moves to the next and makes a little change, and so on. He must set there with a book, or IMDb, and just transfer facts, sometimes facts that are wrong, or hava a POV attached to them. If you look at these "User contributions" you will see that 90+% are biographies of either entertainers or politicians, and a majority of those are either Catholic, or Jewish. I just wonder what Robert is all about. But, I wish that he would eidt to the Manual of Style, How to Edit a Page, etc., but he doesn't, he does his own thing. I wish that some admin would block all of these accounts for a month, and ask him to conform to the body whole. He doesn't seem to add a lot of value, but instead adds fluffy items that seem to piss other contributors off.

Thanks for your time, User:IP4240207xx 03:14, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

"POV-pushing"

As I am disappointed with your campaign of constant misrepresentation of my edits, and your less-than-elegant reverts. We've already discussed the very large gray area where unionism meets loyalism. Why do you insist on beginning a section that includes Dublin with the words "In Northern Ireland" instead of "In Ireland"?

Lapsed Pacifist 17:08, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


John Charles McQuaid

Re. above edit history, whatever User:Rms125a@hotmail.com is saying about me, I do not know. Check out my user page - we're not the same person. In fact, I've been rv'ing his POV-pushing on the above page. Seeya - Ali-oops✍ 19:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Got your message. I understand, just their strange comment had pushed my paranoia button. No worries - I think we both know who's confused! :-) Met you before, BTW, on a lot of the Irish-related pages. You'll see me there, too, tho' I had my username changed about a month ago - Ali-oops✍ 21:23, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Spam

Demiurge, Sorry for my mistake earlier. I posted up a link to a new portal for Dublin but did go too far in posting to each area. I thought I was being useful at the time (both to the pages and to my site). I have also explained to [Ali-oops] but as you had the job of removing most of the links I thought I'd appologise to you too. Edster9999 15:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

TCD

Hi, I just noticed the nv blanking and wondered about your rationale. One can certainly question validity of these University Rankings (THES, Singapore ...), but their actual rankings are a matter of record. Dlyons493 12:51, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

I, User:Ali-oops, do hereby present this Barnstar of Reversion to Demiurge for incredible diligence and patience in dealing with vandalism and rampant sock-puppetry.

You so deserve it! :-) - Ali-oops✍ 10:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

And thanks for reverting you-know-who's vandalism of my user page - Ali-oops✍ 09:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Blocks

I blocked Rms125 for 15 minutes. I didn't escalate this further because it did not seem to be a persistent incident. If it continues, please let me know. --HappyCamper 02:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

RSF vandal

Any idea on how we can stop the persistent vandal of the RSF/CIRA etc pages (see User:217.43.172.38 for a list of the ISPs he's been using)? I'm pretty sure who this guy is - a young RSF member from Derry and currently on the Ard Chomairle of RSF. --Damac 10:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Iain Duncan Smith

Hi, just wondered why you removed the Catholic categories here, Duncan Smith is Catholic. Arniep 14:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, the qualifier on the Roman Catholic cat seems a bit subjective, according to that criteria one could judge that only clergy/the pope/saints should be included! Duncan Smith actually converted to Catholicism so one might judge religion to be more important to him than others. I agree that some people shouldn't be included, for example people born into a Catholic family who have shown no interest in religion personally like Jack Nicholson. Arniep 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

UDR

I noticed above that you have been involved in reverting vandalism so why did you vandalise the UDR page? I know this is a controversial subject but if you have a problem with content you could at least have cut it down to the bare facts, i.e. The Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) was an infantry regiment of the British Army. That would have been a drastic POV edit, your edit was plain vandalism. Mark83 21:33, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. Mark83 21:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Richard Doherty

Please don't mark edits as reverts. Putting in RV made it sound as though you reverted my edit and that there was something wrong with it. There wasn't. I didn't put in the dodgy stuff you removed. I simply deleted some of that nutty [category:Roman Catholic] crap the previous editor has been plastering all over WP. I didn't add or take away anything else.FearÉIREANN 11:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Provisional Sinn Féin

I've done a major rewrite of Provisional Sinn Féin to try to make it approximately NPOV. I'd welcome a review. --Red King 23:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure Thing

Sure thing, although it was ultimately a gut reaction since that user has a history of trying to push through edits without consultation with others, against WP:RULES Key Policy #4. karmafist 23:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh no.

Oh no. Behan is proved correct again. Now we have a breakway from Republican Sinn Féin, a breakaway from Provisional Sinn Féin, which was a breakaway from Sinn Féin. (yawn) Now we an editor from the breakaway's breakaway's breakaway. AAAAGH! FearÉIREANN\(caint) 20:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Stop targeting johnfullerton then, you know and i know madden is meets wikipedia criteria, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.143.42 (talk • contribs)

156.63.98.241

While this user's edits are vandalism, that doesn't mean you need to vandalize his talk page. -Voltaire|Talk|My Desk|[Français]

See the message I posted at User_talk:156.63.98.241
Voltaire|Talk|My Desk|[Français] 20:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

There's a vote on WP:TFD on deleting template:Irish republicanism. Frankly I think the template is fatally flawed in concept and content and will just become a magnet for POV edit wars. Please express your opinion. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Strabane 3RR

You are in danger of being blocked according to the wikipedia 3-revert rule for your edit war with User:172.200.102.170/User:172.215.44.87 on Strabane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I ask you both to discuss the matter on the talk page for that article. It doesn't look like simple vandalism to me, and therefore falls under 3RR guidelines. --Syrthiss 22:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Reversion of User:Lapsed Pacifist on Sinn Fein

Hi, I don't disagree that Lapsed Pacifist made some POV edits in the edit you have reverted as "POV pushing", but he also wikified a number of links to add context and developed a few points in an NPOV way. By reverting him, you have removed the useful parts of his edit. Please could you reinclude them? Talrias (t | e | c) 21:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Done, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Demiurge 23:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks :) Talrias (t | e | c) 23:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Strabane

What is your problem with the newly edited Strabane? Why are you intent on wrecking the good work that has been done on this page chiefly by myself over the last few months. Get a life and stop interfering in articles that have sound content. You have a great knack for annoying people unnescessarily don't you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.209.43.236 (talk • contribs)

Tom Moffatt

Hi, see Talk:Tom Moffatt for my comments on the changes made by User:Lapsed Pacifist, and please add your thoughts - Rye1967 07:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Frank O Connor

What happened the links on the Frank O Connor page?

Provo page

Hi, Could you help me out on the Provisional IRA page? Some anonymous user keeps adding information that the IRA was funded and armed by the USSR, the Irish American mob and the Russian mafia. On top of that, he keeps deleting references to the Shankill bomb of 1993. He also keeps adding misleading information on the extent of the IRA's campaign against loyalists adn the British army, Eg, "an expert assasination campaign forced the loyalist to call a ceasfire", as well as mixing up time periods, dates and facts. Thanks, Jdorney 12:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Celtic F.C.

I suggest getting an Admin to add {{sprotected}} to the page? Stephenb (Talk) 13:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

S'ok - RexNL has done it after I added it to Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress Stephenb (Talk) 14:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFAR

I am opening a WP:RFAR against Lapsed Pacifist. As someone who has had to deal with his endless POVing you might like to contribute. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 17:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Have done so, hopefully this RfAr will sort things out. Demiurge 19:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • How do I contribute too? Generally I've felt that his good edits just about tip the balance in his favour despite the numerous bad edits, but for him to move Irish Republican Army after a clear ruling from a neutral arbitrator that there was no consensus to do so, is just the last straw. Do I just tack on behind yours? --Red King 00:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not too sure how it works, I've never been involved in a RfAr before. I guess you should add a section to WP:RFAR#Lapsed_Pacifist including the page move without consensus as evidence, and add your own opinion on the situation too. Demiurge 00:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lapsed Pacifist

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lapsed Pacifist. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lapsed Pacifist/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lapsed Pacifist/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 17:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


Hey,

A dispute is on which might be of interest to you. You probably have heard of the US periodical, The Nation. It is one of a number of publications that exist or have existed using that name. However some US Wikipedians have decreed that all other publications of that name must be shunted off to a disam page with the US publication given sole custody of The Nation page, even though neither it nor any other publication with that name is international nor widely known outside each state's border. The confusion this causes can be seen in the fact that people making entries to the Thailand newspaper, the British magazine, the famous 19th century Irish paper, etc usually end up innocently creating links to the US periodical page on The Nation rather than the obscure disamb page (which is only found by a link at the top of the US article). It is blatently wrong. While most links are for the US publication, that is because most contributors on WP are US and the US publication covers a lot of people mentioned on WP. If the US publication was something like Time or Newsweek or The Times then one could justify it getting the main page. But even many US people have not heard of the US magazine and it is largely unheard of outside the US. Technically the Irish newspaper is more international in noteworthyness — it features in history books in Australia, the US, the UK etc because it was a prominent politically motivated radical newspaper in the 19th century. But IMHO it too does not enough international recognition to justify getting pride of place and claiming the name for itself.

The dispute is at Talk:The Nation. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks

for reverting the minor vandalism of my user page. Guinnog 21:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


Of course. My source was the CIA world factbook (updated on Jan. 10, 2006). They give GDP/capita (PPP). Constantzeanu 18:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

rv provo page

Hi would you mind reverting the Provisional IRA page for me? My browser keeps losing the end of the article. I would be happy to have some kind of arbritration over the future of this article, but I am not prepared to tolerate the edits of User:Devin79 which are innaccurate, ill informed and dishonest. Jdorney 13:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Jdorney 15:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Reverts

Why did you revert this ? And why are most of your edits reverts? Just wondering Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I reverted Category:Roman Catholics category as 1) it's redundant with Category:Roman Catholic politicians and 2) the category says "please consider whether the person's religious beliefs or participation in the Catholic Church are significant to the reasons why that person is notable.". Similarly for Category:Irish-Scots, "the applicability of the category should be based on a consensus that the connection to Ireland is important enough to include in the article text before this category can properly be considered". I also reverted the "UK" acronym to "United Kingdom". (Most of my edits are reverts because I mainly focus on vandalism and cleaning up style/category mistakes.) Demiurge 11:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I received an email from someone stating thar you were stalking him. He didn't tell me his IP so I can't check but if you put a little more in the edit summary stating why you were reverting then it makes life easier for someone checking.

Also giving an edit summary like this "Reverted edits by 70.19.33.164 to last version by D6" makes it look like an admin rollback. However you do not appear to be an admin as far as I can tell and rollback is only allowed in the case of reverting vandalism which this cleary wasn't. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not an administrator, but I use the "godmode-light" rollback script from [1], which I found linked from Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit. If this script is inappropriate, I'll stop using it, of course. Demiurge 11:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I have no problem with you using a script to fight vandalism. But just as admins are only allowed to use rollback against vandalism, you should use the script in the same way. I.e. straighforwards "My teacher is gay" type stuff only. For other stuff it's better to edit rather than revert - saves misunderstandings and bad feelings. Cheers! Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 13:14, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind in future. Demiurge 13:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

HI!!

You can't stop me editing Glasgow Celtic/Edinburgh Hibernian/Dundee Hibernian or telling the sordid and sectarian truths of their existence

Too bad you don't find Gary Og offensive (see below--just removed from Eire Og's page)!!!!

Maybe you should be looking elsewhere to make deletions.

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Pog Mo Thoin

The above user

The recently-blocked user who posted the above "HI" message (aka rms125a@hotmail.com) is currently working under the address 70.19.53.214 [2] and adding questioned and unsourced material to List of Catholic American Actors, as well as engaging in personal attacks. JackO'Lantern 23:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Pre-Code

Hi! I noticed your recent editing of a recent edit to Pre-Code film. I've left this (for now) but will likely restore part of what the anonymous contribution, although I am curious as to which part struck you as "Anti-Catholic" (your reason given for deleting it). It did put more emphasis on the Catholic Church than on the Protestant involvement in it, but most of the edit was factual, in particular the Catholics spearheading boycotts of certain films, the Breen Office and so on. The Legion of Decency, an initially Catholic group, is also traditionally credited with dramatically altering the course of film during these years. What confuses me about your edit was your decision to delete it rather than attempt to rewrite it (it was grammatically sloppy and such), as well as what you saw as Anti-Catholic. I am especially confused by the "NPOV" tag given that if anything, this entry actually indicated the power that the Catholic Church had (generally a rarity in this part of American history), as well as suggest that cleaning up of films gave women broader, stronger roles (generally a plus from a cultural standpoint). Anyway, I hope to better articulate the points in that edit over the weekend; let me know if there were any points apparently Anti-Catholic, as I can't wrap my head around what you were going for. Wencer 02:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

  • The previous edit was a way-old version that the anon editor (Robert again - I checked) rolled back. They removed refs, detail, a whole bunch of stuff. If Robert wants to put a Catholic spin on it - as he does - some cites would have been nice. Furthermore, reverting a whole lot of previous edits is not in the spirit of co-operation. Just my opinion - Ali-oops✍ 02:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
  • You might want to check that user's other contribs, especially those to Celtic F.C. and personal attacks [3]. Robert has run out his WP:AGF a long time ago. If you feel that the information is sound, I have no objection to you readding it with proper citations, and minus the blatantly POV bits about "their art being manacled and used to further the Catholic Church's agenda." Demiurge 10:30, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

Have you noticed the sudden disappearance of Lapsed Pacifist from the moment an arbcom hearing started? It seems damned fishy. It makes me wonder if he wasn't someone directedly associated with Sinn Féin, maybe an employee, who abandoned WP lest an arbcom investigation probe too deeply. I know friends in SF who say that the party is well aware of WP and its open edit policy. They used to joke about getting "our people" to use it as a propaganda tool. Did LP leave lest the arbcom delve too deeply and find something that someone or some organisation wouldn't want exposed? FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Interesting theory, but I think you're reading a bit too much into it, and he's just gone underground temporarily in the hope that his RfAr will blow over (I remember him doing the same thing before, not editing for a few weeks after getting a 72-hour block.) It's a shame that the ArbCom won't get to hear his side of things, but he's been given plenty of opportunity. Demiurge 10:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Saoirse

Is it a "newspaper", "newsletter" or "organ"? I noticed earlier that you changed it to newspaper but it's back to organ again. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not actually sure, I just reverted the highly POV edit that claimed it was the publication of the Republican movement, when it's actually published by a small dissident faction. Demiurge 18:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[Strabane]]

You accuse me of blanking the Strabane page - learn what blanking is first you prick. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.182.49 (talk • contribs)

  • And that kind of abusive talk will get you ... where, exactly? I've reverted your inaccuracies again. Please discuss it on the talk page first - Ali-oops✍ 15:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Irish rebellion

Is it time to have this category deleted? It's far too general a category to have any use.--Damac 10:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Robbie

I checked out that link you provided when you stated that I had changed my Username Signature myself. There was nothing on that page showing that I did that. I didn't do it. I don't even know how to do it or if I can do it myself and non only a "sysops". I emailed Theresa Knott but she hasn't yet replied.

Robbie 03:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Theresa Knott replied and confirmed that I must have done it myself. She is right, but I don't understand why my previous postings were with the "Rms125a", then changed to "Robbie", if I had used that signature to begin with. I am positive I did not change it mid-stream for any reason as there was no reason to do so.

However, I am really contacting you about the folllowing from the "List of Catholic American actors" discussion page:

Shouldn't this list be List of American Catholic Actors? -Acjelen 23:39, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I know this was submitted over 5 months ago, but nobody paid any attention. However I think he is right. Can you change the name of the page to "List of US Roman Catholic actors", so it is clear, so that the nationality precedes the religion (which is as it ahould be), and so that it is consistent/parallel with the "List of Roman Catholic Canadian actors".

THANKS!!! Rms125a@hotmail.com 19:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Roman Catholics

Before adding an article to this category or subcategory, please consider whether the person's religious beliefs or participation in the Catholic Church are significant to the reasons why that person is notable". This is my fifth or sixth time telling you to stop adding this category to people who are notable for reasons other than their Catholicism. Each time, you have ignored me and continued to add it. Why do you refuse to follow Wikipedia's rules? Demiurge 10:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yet again, I ask you why you are continuing to edit in this disruptive manner. Please explain why you keep adding this category against Wikipedia's guidelines. Demiurge 21:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well it depends. You may be right on certain cases, but for the most part I believe that religion does/did play a role in the development of the person, the actions he/she committed, the deeds he/she performed, etc. I am willing to admit that in some cases we may disagree, but regarding Irish republicanism, I do believe that there is a connection, which became increasingly apparent during the course of the 20th century, that he religion of a person (let's say Northern Ireland, e.g. Bobby Storey, who you won;t convince me is not a Catholic, howevermuch he may or may not go to church these days) is intrinsically linked to their cultural and political development. Since Irish republicans/nationalists, even certain writers are undoubtedly the largest subset (I suspect overwhelmingly) of the cases that you are referring to, now you understand. Also, regarding the Third Reich, it was the most Catholic government in Germany's history, so I do not feel it is appropriate to ignore the religion of Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, et al. in their biodata.

Also-will you please stop reversing my internationalization of nominals. I was given clear instructions by "Jtdirl" that US nominals are used for American (at least North American) or U.S.-related subjects, whereas most of the rest of the world, especially Europe, require international nominals.

Cheers/Slainte,

Rms125a@hotmail.com 23:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Haley Joel Osment/Emily Osment

I found a citation confirming the Osments' Roman Catholicism

(see filmforce.ign.com/articles/034/034161p1.html - 46k - Cached - Similar pages) Is mise le meas.

Slainte. Rms125a@hotmail.com 00:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Good to see. In future, please provide the citations promptly when requested and don't engage in revert wars to reinsert uncited material. Demiurge 00:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

This source is entirely unacceptable. Read my discussion at Rms125s@hotmail.com's talkpage and at List of Catholic American actors.

My reading of Wikipedia's policy suggests to me that there are only two requirements for inclusion on this kind of list but both must be met:

1/ You must be noted in a reputable source as being what the list says you are. "Reputable" is defined quite closely in the relevant policy documents. Some guy's website is not "reputable" in this context. Most "news" websites in entertainment simply repeat gossip.

2/ Editors must not use personal criteria to decide whether what the source says qualifies you as what the list says you are. IOW, you must not say "the source says he was raised a Catholic and my definition of Catholic includes being raised as one". This is original research.

I'm going to be taking a close look at that list. Not many entries are sourced. I'm willing to accept that if the article on the person is properly sourced, that is fair enough, but if it is not, and the list entry is not, I'll be removing them to talk.

I think you're a reasonable editor, and you seem to have been holding a line against people who want just to chuck dozens of names onto the list, but I think you need to take this stronger line. Have a think about it. I think it draws a clear shining line and makes decisions about whether to include or not really simple. Grace Note 02:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Grace Note

That is nonsense, Haley Osment has two sources, one of which was accepted by everyone except Grace Note, the other not. That still leaves one valid source ([[4]]).

She even claimed that being "raised Catholic" is insufficient to qualify for inclusion on the list. Does she/he have a secret connection to the Vatican, or the power to excommunicate people??

Does Grace Note have the right to ignore consensus and dictate terms from out of nowhere 5 months after the list was created when no other Wikipedian disputed more than perhaps one name or so at a time??

And then claim that (as Jack O'Lantern, who is her new lab assistant, did) even if Haley Osment is Catholic, his sister doesn't qualify as well. What family raises one child in one religion, and the other(s) in a different religion. That is ridiculous. Doesn't common sense mean anything??

I am going back to the Mediators on this issue. This Grace Note has no right to come in and add new requisites, ignore consensus, and the like, which is what he/she has been doing since 28 February, 2006, when he/she appeared out of nowhere at least 5 months after the list was created, after doing the same thing he/she is trying to do here on other sites (such as "British Jews", according to Jack O'Lantern, who also stated to me that Grace Note is in league with certain administrators to impose his/her will)!!

Rms125a@hotmail.com

anti-Semitism and refugee policies of the Irish Free State

See that my assertions regarding WWII refugee policies and anti-Semitism in de Valera's government confirmed -- [[5]]).

Rms125a@hotmail.com

Domestic terrorism

I just want you to see my additions to the domestic terrorism wikipage (this is only a portion of the page):

Domestic terrorism was considered rare in the United States, by those who do not its history well. As a result, the Oklahoma City bombing was at first thought by some journalists to be the work of external actors, possibly from the Middle East. In reality there have been acts of domestic terrorism since the 19th century, most perpetrated by Irish-Americans.

1) The Civil War Draft Riots (1863) -- the worst riots in American history; by far outstripping anything in Oakland, Watts, Attica, etc., with hundreds dead, maimed and injured. Suspected of being pre-planned (premeditated) for the purpose of gaining more political power in NYC from the Protestants who then ran the city.

2) (As per New York Daily News, October 2005): The bombing of the Los Angeles Times on October 1, 1910, which killed 21 people. Some of the involved were not Irish, but anarchists of Eastern European or Jewish descent. However, the brains of this crime were John and Jim McNamara, two Irish-American brothers, who wanted to "unionize" the paper, and who were only caught after a dogged, relentless search by a private investigator using his own funds. Samuel Gompers tearfully insisted that no one associated with the labour movement could have done such a thing. The McNamara brothers were defended by Clarence Darrow, who soon realized they were guilty. They were amazingly lucky that Darrow convinced the judge to allow them to withdraw their "not guilty" pleas, and to find a jury open-minded enough to not automatically sentence them to death. Jim got life in jail for having planted the bomb, and elder brother, John, got 15 years imprisonment. Darrow never again represented organized labor.

3) The attack on the Oklahoma City Federal Building by the now deceased (via public execution)Timothy McVeigh, an Irish-American Catholic. His known associate Terry Nichols was not Catholic, nor was he sentenced to death. There do not appear to be any sectarian motives, but it should be pointed out that the Oklahoma City (a city to which he had no known connections)building had scarcely any Catholics, while New York and Boston would have been quite the opposite. But it is possible that Oklahoma City was chosen for having the laxest security.

The revelation that the attack had been carried out by an American came as a shock to the country and the rest of the world, and served as an embarrassment to some sections of the news media.

The Patriot Act designates domestic terrorism as a crime. However, the Patriot Act does not give the meaning of domestic terrorism as designated as a crime, leaving the intepretation of the acts, statements or preparations which may constitute domestic terrorism to whomever may wish to interpret them.

For this reason, certain types of civil disobedience can be interpreted as domestic terrorism, thus having a chilling effect on public participation and freedom of expression, a reasonable serious fear under the extreme right-wing government of George W. Bush.


Let me know what you think.

Rms125a@hotmail.com email:rms125a@hotmail.com

Domestic terrorism

You rv my additions to the domestic terrorism page for no valid reason, except the boiler plate "POV", which you are beginning to wear out. Please don't make me email Jimmy Wales and Theresa Knott AGAIN!!!

Rms125a@hotmail.com 19:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Continuation

You said: rv; Fenians were in the 19th century.

However you fail to consider that domestic terrorism (as clearly stated on the page) began in the 19th century; i.e. Draft Riots. So the Fenian's petering out by the end of the 19th century is a matter of non consequence; but it was an example of domestic terrorism in the UK; we weren't limited to the US, and I think you know that the influence of the Fenians extended long past their own expiration date.

70.19.52.19 01:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Bertie

Demi: I suddenly determined that Bertie was going to be in my neck of the woods and printed out his Wikipedia page and conveyed it to him at dinner last night at the Fairmont San Jose Hotel. I printed it out on a nice vellum, a green speedo binding an a vinyl burgundy backpage. I put a post-it note on the front page as "A fine product of youth, volunteerism and technology". Since I was already spending a pretty penny on dinner, I decided to splurge and put it in a Lodis note taker (it cost me nearly as much as dinner did!). I decided to just have it embossed with his initials in gold: PBA. I also chose to notify serveral of the emails on this page to check for errors on Bertie's page, especially the trivia, so if you get some anonymous updates that certain information is in error, please try to show some deference. Unfortunately, the Lord Mayor of Dublin did not have a page for herself at Wikipedia. I am trying to get something together for her here, but it is very much a work-in-progress. Also: I did manage to sit in with a quick after-dinner contingent of the Dublin Youth Symphony Orchestra and play along on some Irish tunes and have a nice chat with John Finucane. He says "Hello!" to Ann Heneghan (User:Musical Linguist). Please forward his greetings if you have contact with Ann. I will be seeing the Orchestra again tonight at St. Ignatius Church in San Francisco. Please keep up the good work at Wikipeida to the glory of Dublin. In particular, I think that it is very important that Category:Natives of County Dublin get more fully populated. I made the mistake of creating Category:Natives of Dublin and Ann disagreed and removed it and we have not been able to work the matter out. Compare it to Belfast and Antrim. Maybe now it does not really matter if somebody is born within the City or the County, but I still think it USED to matter for the outcome of a life the baby is in the City as opposed to a rural part of County, oh, until maybe 100 years ago. Anyway, maybe you Duliners should get together on the matter and work it out. I note that there are over 200 notable people listed for Belfast and less than 50 for Dublin. Surely, this does cannot reflect reality. AWM -- 71.141.227.14 16:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Sean Russell

Stay out of my work product re Sean Russell. Haven't you learned by now that it doesn't matter how many of your associates block me, I will NEVER give up, and let the likes of you, with your mania for censorship, hide the truth. The Irish censored the 20th century. This is the 21st. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.194.0.227 (talk • contribs)

  • Oh, it's another Robert sock-puppet. Quelle surprise! I wasn't aware you *owned* the Sean Russell article. Thanks for giving me another article to monitor for abuse - Ali-oops✍ 19:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
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