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Administrators' newsletter – April 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

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Technical news

  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
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Arbitration

Miscellaneous

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EXPERTISE NEEDED

User:Amakuru Muraho? nishimye kubandikira ndetse no gusoma zimwe muri wikipedia articles wamditse,nifuza niba byaba kundira ko mwatwemerera tikazategura virtual training aho wakwigisha mu buryo bwagutse benshi muri twe uko kwandika kuri wikipedia,k'uburyo mu gihe kiri imbere umubare wa abandika ndetse bakavugurura amakuru y'ibijyanye n'u Rwanda baba benshi,Amahoro y'Imana abane nawe Ndahiro derrick (talk) 09:17, 9 April 2022 (UTC).

1987 FA Cup Final scheduled for TFA

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The 1987 FA Cup Final was an association football match between Coventry City and Tottenham Hotspur on 16 May 1987 at Wembley Stadium in London to determine the winner of the 1986–87 FA Cup. Neil Midgley refereed the match in front of a crowd of 96,000. Two minutes after kick-off, Tottenham took the lead with a headed goal by Clive Allen. The scores were level seven minutes later when Dave Bennett scored for Coventry. Five minutes before half-time a free kick was touched on by Gary Mabbutt to again give Tottenham the lead. Keith Houchen equalised for Coventry with a diving header, the only goal of the second half; this was later selected as the BBC Goal of the Season. During extra time a cross from a Coventry player looped off the left knee of Tottenham's Gary Mabbutt for an own goal resulting in a final score of 3–2 to Coventry. BBC commentator John Motson called the match "the finest Cup Final I've had the pleasure of commentating on".

Or feel free to write your own.

Gog the Mild (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

New administrator activity requirement

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22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

AFD you participated in restarted less than an hour after being closed

I am contacting everyone who participated who didn't know already that the AFD was restarted by someone unhappy that the administrator closed it as "no consensus". Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Leave (Simba Tagz song) (2nd nomination) Dream Focus 23:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, --Isro! chatter 16:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Request

Greetings from Kenya! may you please look at an article awaiting patrol/indexing (Ghosty) its been left without patrolling for the past month and I fear it might not be patrolled anytime soon and since the article is UK based, it would be a little easier for you? I'd really appreciate it if you looked at it and reviewed it. Regards and Best Wishes, --XR98 (talk) 09:56, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@XR98: thanks for your message, and greetings to you too. I was in Kenya myself just last week actually, and I'm hoping to maybe do some work on related articles for the country in the next few months too if time permits! I've had a quick look at the page you mention and I have marked it as reviewed and left a note on the talk page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
@Amakuru: huge thanks for your assistance on the article I requested you to look at, I really appreciate :). Also what part of Kenya were you in? Next time you are around Nairobi hit me up and I'll take you to a Nyama Choma joint and have it with a beer ;). Have a great a weekend ahead -XR98 (talk) 15:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Leonardo DiCaprio

Hi, I hope you had a good vacation. Just to let you know that the DiCaprio FAC was archived due to issues with source-to-text integrity. As you had some reservation about the prose and did some copy editing, I was wondering if you’d like to finish it. Since there’s no hurry, you can take as much time as you want. I don’t know if and when I’ll renominate it but there’s no reason why we still can’t improve it further. Let me know if you’re still interested. FrB.TG (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: yes I had noticed that. Sorry it didn't work out this time around with Leonardo diCaprio, but I'll certainly be happy to take a look as and when I get a chance. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for bothering you but any chance you’d take a look at this one of these days? I was thinking of giving it another try at FAC in a few weeks. FrB.TG (talk) 12:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Ah sorry, this had completely slipped my mind. I'm on vacation for the next week, so I might or might not have spare wiki time, but if and when I have time I will try to fit this in. cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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April

April songs

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC) updated with a more prominent link to how to listen to the concert: Freiheit! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the updates! Some powerful and poignant music there  — Amakuru (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
... and now you can listen: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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POTD

Both POTD and DYK queue moves currently have a problem. Template:POTD/2022-05-04 this may or may not seem to have been created when you look at it, but exists, as you can see by attempting to edit it. A similar problem with the whale vocalization for the previous day's POTD was solved by "purging" it, but this does not seem to have worked today, and to me anyway, the Sheldonian is present but invisible. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Clicking the link given above does seem to show the POTD, but now look at the month of May, and to me anyway, the entry for May 4 has disappeared. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Cwmhiraeth: I just tried purging the May 2022 POTD page, and that seems to have fixed the issue, the 4th entry was initially not present and now it is present. The URL I used for the purge is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/May_2022?action=purge Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
OK, thanks. But it will happen again tomorrow. I wish they would sort the problem out. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 May newsletter

The second round of the 2022 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 115 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top seven contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 11 featured articles and the 79 good articles achieved in total by contestants.

Our top scorers in round 2 were:

  1. New York (state) Epicgenius, with 1264 points from 2 featured article, 4 good articles and 18 DYKs. Epicgenius was a finalist last year but has now withdrawn from the contest as he pursues a new career path.
  2. Christmas Island AryKun, with 1172 points from two featured articles, one good article and a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews.
  3. Kingdom of Scotland Bloom6132, with 605 points from 44 in the news items and 4 DYKs.
  4. Sammi Brie, with 573 points from 8 GAs and 21 DYKs.
  5. Ealdgyth, with 567 points from 11 GAs and 34 good and featured article reviews.
  6. United States Panini!, with 549 points from 1 FA, 4 GAs and several other sources.
  7. England Lee Vilenski, with 545 points from 1 FA, 4 GAs and a number of reviews.

The rules for featured and good article reviews require the review to be of sufficient length; brief quick fails and very short reviews will generally not be awarded points. Remember also that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

May songs

May songs

today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you today for 1987 FA Cup Final, introduced: "Possibly the most entertaining FA Cup final ever. Two teams going at each other pretty much from minute 1 to minute 120, and trust me, plenty of the tackles would have been yellow, if not red cards these days! Some great goals, an exhilarating match, a triumphant underdog, and if we're all honest, always lovely to see Glenn Hoddle lose."! Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you, and to be honest I'd forgotten that it was airing today. I am away travelling right now so haven't been on wiki much. All the best  — Amakuru (talk) 16:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thank you - I survived a page move just before DYK time ;) (but please don't copy German article naming, which is generally way to long with middle names) - today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: OK thanks. And yes, we don't blindly follow German naming. Certainly Wladimir Wladimirowitsch Putin seems an unnecessary mouthful. It's just that when I checked the sources I didn't find the form with V. very prevalent, and in this case more seem to use the full name including English sources. Perhaps I was missing some though...  — Amakuru (talk) 14:48, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree with your evaluation. I came from how was mentioned in articles about Bruckner's works, and his gravestone, and thought that the impossible middle name was a lot to swallow for English Wikipedia. I'd not be surprised if the short version was used by publishers in publications. No idea if his parents invented that name ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
my choir in Idstein performed an evensong (pictured), two years and two months after the last! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
different singing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
blue: today saw my pic of the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra on the Main page - blue light for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Archiving note

Information icon Hey! During your moving of Talk:Notre-Dame fire, you forgot to update the archive location. All you need to do is adjust the |archive= parameter in the {{User:MizaBot/Config}} template to the new page name. Don't worry, I've fixed this for you. Just keep this in mind if you move a page in the future. Thanks! Aidan9382 (talk) 20:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Aidan9382: oh right, thank you. Hoping the move itself is OK, I decided to be WP:BOLD, although of course if anyone objects it can be moved back and go to a formatl discussion. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

POTD

I think I'd like to do sets somewhat systematically. For example, I set up the three remaining Hunting of the Snark images for Template:POTD/2022-06-19, Template:POTD/2022-07-19, and Template:POTD/2022-08-19 - Which schedules them, spaces them out and we're done with them, and they were a lot easier to write in one go than they would have been otherwise. You have any experience setting up the money things? If we can get the money set up for every, say, 28th, using small sets of images as much as possible? Probably don't need to set 'em all up now, but if we're not going to just dump a 50-image set onto the main page (which seems rude) we kind of need to be systematic or we're never going to get through them. We're currently set up for the next month, which is a start. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 14:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: that all sounds quite reasonable, yes. Helps us get through them without getting too repetitive. An issue I've often had with the coinage ones is getting enough cited material to produce a blurb. We can always use shortish blurbs if we have to though.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Quite frankly, if we don't have enough for them, I'd say just throw them on Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused and make it a problem for future attempts to reduce that. I've already pulled everything from there I didn't think would be too controversial. (I'm pretty sure Wikipedia will survive a cheesecakey picture of a model, a pooing seagull, and a better copy of a Rembrandt painting). Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 15:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:POTD/2022-06-28? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 15:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: yes, good stuff. Kill them all off at once! And with an FA to boot.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I'll wait and make sure that doesn't break something (because I'm totally abusing the POTD template to make that work) before I do the next one, but think that's the way to go. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 16:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Ugh. Don't know why I try discussing things with people on Talk:Main Page. Put up a polite request for ways to mitigate any issues with an image; get a war. Mind you, does go to show that no-one cared about half the stuff being pulled. Pooing seagulls are 100% non-controversial, it seems. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 23:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: yes, I guess that's the way it goes unfortunately. People like drama. FWIW, when I was coordinating the POTDs I sort of respect the previous "consensus" regarding the pooing bird the cheesecake and the urinating woman etc, and I initially considered objecting when you rescheduled them, but on consideration you're correct - there's nothing really wrong with those and I suspect that the earlier predictions of disruption are likely to be exaggerated. Obviously my objection to the intersex image stands, and I'm glad to see that you've (reluctantly) put that matter back to bed again - images of gaping genitalia are a long stretch too far for the main page, however educational. But other than that, it seems you're doing a good job so far. (I haven't checked the prose on your entries yet, though, I assume you are adhering to the rule that everything in the template must be cited? 😊)  — Amakuru (talk) 09:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware I am, with the exception of stuff like in the replacement images for the intersex image, Lion's mane jellyfish, I included the photographer's estimates of size, and noted that meant (given even the smaller adults grow to 20" in diameter) that it was probably a juvenile. Think that's uncontroversial enough.
Otherwise, though I'm not, like, going to the original sources and making sure stuff's in them, I am watching for citation needed tags and so on. I mean, I'm only human, so it's possible I missed something from a lead that should have been cited later but wasn't, but nothing readily avoidable. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 00:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
I am delighted to see Adam getting involved in POTD. Doing it was getting to feel like a chore rather than a pleasure. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: yes, agreed. That's more or less where I'd got to by the end of my stint as well. Apologies again for not stepping up more this year, after you asked me to, my availability has just been patchy throughout. I'll continue adding POTDs as and when I can, to help Adam as well, it is a lot of work otherwise!  — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently working on August, if anyone wants to help. Would like to try and finish the year off. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.8% of all FPs 13:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Request for inputs

Greetings @ Amakuru

Requesting you to join a discussion @ User talk:BlueMoonset#Requesting inputs to share your valuable inputs as time permits you.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Waiting for Your Love

Hi, thanks for your recent move at this article. I'll note that Waiting for Your Love (disambiguation) seems to have been lost along the way. 162 etc. (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

ERRORS

I pulled myself out of the discussion, but it looks like Fram is trying very hard to reel me and others back in with comments such as "DYK should get their collective head out of their asses and start realizing that their playground actually is shown on the main page." I only kept on responding because, in my experience, those who point out errors with DYK can be as mean as they want. However, only the people who take issue with such a thing are told to back down. Your comment referring to both of us was actually refreshing. SL93 (talk) 10:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
  • The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

Arbitration

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DYK

I was about to post this at ERRORS about the Viaud Ridge hook, but I had an edit conflict when the entire discussion was removed - "I promoted it based on the GEBSCO source which I could have sworn was in the article, but I didn't think of it being vague until Fram mentioned it. There are two alt hooks so maybe one of those will work?" I guess it's a moot issue now though. SL93 (talk) 12:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@SL93: right, it was just about OK once the cite was added to the article. Although as Fram says, it does raise some question marks about how exactly several passing ships suddenly discovered this feature. Anyway, the 12 hour window for that hook has passed now, and it was up for 11 of them, so we can just move on probably.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh. I didn't realize it ran for that long. I just woke up and happened to see it. SL93 (talk) 12:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

June music

June songs

Ukrainian peace music is now "on", with the conductor! - Pentecost (on last Sunday and Monday in Germany) brought a harvest of great music in two church services (one with me singing in choir) and two concerts with my brother in the orchestra, - four pictures I took besides the symphonic one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: it looks like you have been busy indeed, with some good hiking and music making. All sounds lovely! I took a flight quite recently which required a change of planes at Frankfurt airport, and I thought of you when I was there. A pity I couldn't explore the area while I was there. We also had a very nice break in Suffolk during the recent Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II four-day weekend. Some pics below!  — Amakuru (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for improving articles in June! My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
today: a song about getting through the night, after plenty of music over the weekend --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Archiving notice

Hey! During your moving of Talk:Heartbeat bill and Talk:LGBT pride, you forgot to update the archive location. This is just a reminder - don't worry, I've fixed it. Thanks! Aidan9382 (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aidan9382: hmm OK, I guess this is something I'll have to check every time in future and it's the second time you've reminded me on this page. Funny as I've been moving pages for more than 10 years now, and don't recall this being an issue before. Thanks again for clearing up.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh wow, didn't even realise I've been here before. I see you were using a tool to sort the move (rmCloser), I might talk to the dev if he can add some automatic clear up. Also, there may be a deeper reason behind it seeming to only be a recent issue. After another discussion with a different edittor, they mentioned that "That is normally automatically done, and a note comes up saying if it has or has not been done". I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I'll leave that for you to determine, as you probably know much more than me about moving pages. Aidan9382 (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

moratoriums on discussions

Hi Amakuru, first off thanks for closing the move discussion at Talk:Port Elizabeth. I dont really disagree with "no consensus" as the close, though I do find that an admin, any admin even if it is an admin I hold in high regard such as yourself, can "impose" a moratorium on further discussion for any length of time. Especially on the basis of a "no consensus" and not a "consensus against" closure. Absent discretionary sanctions being authorized for a topic, and that does not seem to be the case here, I dont really understand under what authority such a moratorium can be imposed by a single admin. My understanding of "no consensus" has always meant more discussion trying to draw in more and more people so that we may come to a consensus, and invariably those who advocate for moratoriums on such discussions do so with the aim of maintaining their preferred position as the status quo. Since there is no consensus for the move, and not a consensus against it, Id ask that you remove that moratorium from the close and allow for our usual process to play out as needed without artificial constraints on discussion. nableezy - 15:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nableezy: thanks for your note. In general, there are two types of "no consensus" discussions... sometimes the discussion resulted that way because there weren't enough participants, or maybe there was an alternative proposal which didn't gain obvious consensus but would be worth exploring further in a new RM. In such cases, it's reasonable to try again to gain a firm consensus one way or the other. In the Port Elizabeth case, however, it's more of what would be considered a "perennial proposal". The evidence is clear and shows a mixed bag of usage in sources; similarly, opinion is divided between those who think we should switch over and those who don't. But it's not a fast-moving situation, and there is little prospect that a fresh RM soon after the first one will yield any sort of different result. Another example of this can be found at Talk:Czech Republic, while on the flip side some do eventually get moved, such as Kyiv and Myanmar. The reason why the moratorium is placed, is that undergoing a fresh iteration of these perennial proposals is a time drain. Editors focus their attention on it for the time it runs, arguing and counterarguing the various points, reducing their ability to focus on other things within the project. If we've just finished a round of doing that, it's not useful to anyone to repeat that process within a short time frame, even where the original result was no consensus. So that's it really, and this is not unusual, as you might know from WP:MORATORIUM. Most likely there will come a day when the evidence shows that usage for the city has firmly switched over to the new name, but that time hasn't arrived yet and I think waiting a year is a fair instruction, with the stated proviso that this can be overruled before the year it up if clear and compelling evidence arises of a significant shift. The previous closer imposed exactly such a moratorium, and it should have been honoured. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
But WP:MORATORIUM is for overturning a consensus, not for resuming a discussion in which there is no consensus. If you are going to say there is a consensus against the proposed name then perhaps you can justify saying no more discussion for x amount of time. But when we have no consensus then our DR process calls for more and more discussion, not less. nableezy - 17:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
@Nableezy: No, it really doesn't. Tell me what the purpose of more discussion is in this instance? Everyone knows the issues, everyone's seen the evidence, lots of people participated, yet a large contingent of the community say one thing and another large contingent say another thing. Having the discussion all over again is not going to alter that dynamic, but rather gives the impression that people want to keep having the discussion until they get the outcome they want. That already happened when a new discussion was started here within six months of the last one. This has been discussed enough for now, and the article isn't going to move unless significant evidence arises (which I've already mentioned).  — Amakuru (talk) 17:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
The point would be to get more and more people involved. There were like 30 people involved in that discussion. Thats a tiny number to call "a large contingent of the community". Possibly a move request thats more moderated to dissuade bludgeoning would persuade more people to participate. But that 30 people couldnt come to a consensus doesnt mean that we should stop trying to get more people to come to a consensus, any consensus. But more importantly, I still dont see under what authority an admin can unilaterally impose a moratorium on further discussion when the current one has no consensus. And if that is something that is enforceable Id like to understand on what policy basis that authority rests on, and where it may be appealed. nableezy - 17:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Electronic Arrays 9002

Template:Did you know nominations/Electronic Arrays 9002 was pulled, but no query was made. SL93 (talk) 01:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Organisation of Women of African and Asian Descent

I was just about to reply to you at Errors (in fact, the reply window was already open) when I was pulled away from my desk for a good hour. And now it's gone from the main page. What I was going to say is that according to the covers of the membership magazine shown in this article, it was an "Organisation" and not an "Organization". Schwede66 01:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

A Mighty Mouse award for you!

Mighty Mouse award
For the save just in the nick of time at at DYK! Bruxton (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
@Bruxton: oh, thank you that's much appreciated, I've never owned a mighty mouse watch before! And glad we could get something sorted in time for Juneteenth. Cheers, and enjoy the day tomorrow  — Amakuru (talk) 19:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Charles-Valentin Alkan

Dear Amakuru, I was puzzled by your edit to this article, and your rationale that "edit to more neutral language is eminently sensible". I am aware that another contributor to this discussion, Mathsci, is under discussion elsewhere in Wikipedia. The issue here however can (and should) be considered independently of any dispute over Mathsci - as I hope you will agree by looking at my contributions, and the comments by Smasongarrison, on the Alkan talkpage. This article was brought to WP:FA status with the text "Stephanie McCallum has suggested that Alkan may have suffered from Asperger syndrome, schizophrenia or obsessive–compulsive disorder." There is nothing non-neutral or offensive in this wording, which is standard English usage. It does not offend either Alkan or any other person who has these conditions. When Smasongarrison was asked by me to justify their assertion that this language was unacceptable on Wikipedia, they declined to do so on the grounds that "I don't have the bandwidth to itemize" the points I raised. Moreoveer, despite my objection and the absence of any consensus in their favour on the talk page, Smasongarrison then repeated their edit; (which was reverted by Mathsci before you reinstated it).

It is not a principle of Wikipedia that editors should have to adapt their language simply according to the preferences of others; nor have I received any demonstration or elaboration that the text as it stands offends any WP standards. Nor did the comments of Smasongarrison receive any support on the Alkan talk-page. Moreover, as you will be aware, any sanctions taken against Mathsci do not mean that any of his edits can be automatically reverted as a consequence. I have therefore reverted your edit. I am of course perfectly happy to enage in a discussion of the principles involved here if you wish.--Smerus (talk) 15:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Smerus: thanks for your note, and I have been mulling over my response to this. I did learn about this issue as a result of reading through the Mathsci threads, that's very true, but edit to the above article was not driven by a desire to simply "undo" the work of Mathsci. Rather, I read through the comments on the talk page and the proposal to change to more neutral language seemed (as I pointed out in the edit summary) to be common sense. Someone may or may not "suffer" as a result of Aspergers, we don't really know that, and it is attested that some people do find that terminology unacceptable. Given that we have a neutral and more concise way to phrase this by simply saying he "had Aspergers", I don't see any reason not to do that. You say the phrasing is natural language, but are you therefore arguing that the proposed alternative is not natural language? If so then I'd be interested to hear the reasoning. I was going to let this one slide, but it's just come to my attention this morning that we actually have a guideline covering this, at WP:SUFFER. "Avoid saying that people "suffer" from or are "victims" of a chronic illness or symptom", it says. That being the case, I will be reinstating the edit to the article. I get that the article enjoys FA status, and that's great, but that doesn't mean it can't ever be improved upon! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Dear Amakuru, it perhaps escaped your notice that WP:SUFFER (as noted at the top of the relevant page) is specifically related to medical articles: "This is the style guide for editing medical articles. The general rules from the Wikipedia:Manual of Style also apply when writing medical articles." It does not apply to the CVA article, which cannot be described in any way as a medical article. There is no generic propscription in WP of using the word "suffered", which is not in itself inhibited by the WP Manual of Style for articles other than medical. I have therefore reverted your edit, which is not justified by the WP style guide. You may not like it much, butas it happens I do. The only only other comments on the talk page were from Mathsci, who agrred with me, and Smasongarisson who declined to justify the edit, orginally made by them. If you wish to continue this discussion I suggest you set up an RfC. Best, --Smerus (talk) 12:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Smerus: As you know, Mathsci no longer edits on Wikipedia, and his comments at the page under discussion were in fact raised during the ANI discussion that led to his blocking. That means currently you're the only editor who favours the "suffered from" wording, while two of us, myself and Smasongarisson have favoured changing it to "had". Also, you know full well the reasoning behind it - even if it is allowed to say "suffered from", you know full well that many people don't like that language, and there is nothing whatsoever lost in either prose quality or accuracy, by amending to the version that isn't controversial at all. Anyway, I will raise a discussion at the talk page of WP:SUFFER to find out if the scope really is intended to be limited to explicitly medical articles, because that doesn't seem to make much sense. If the usage is problematic in a medical article then it's problematic elsewhere. Cheers, anyway  — Amakuru (talk) 12:45, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
@Smerus: thanks for starting the RFC... I just wanted to suggest that maybe it should be held somewhere else, at a more widely-viewed venue such as WT:MOS? I would be keen to hear the community's overall view on this, and that would bring in lots of people who regularly comment on MOS issues, rather than just those who spot the RFC in the listings? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
By all means mention this at WT:MOS if you wish. Best, --Smerus (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Promotion of 1998 FIFA World Cup Final

Congratulations, Amakuru! The article you nominated, 1998 FIFA World Cup Final, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
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Request for guidance

Hello, I am coming to you because you have been on wikipedia a long time, but also mostly because of your name, Amakuru.

I am having a difficult time learning and understanding some things and something just happened that has caused me great confusion. I have asked others in many other places for help but not receiving replies.

Recently I updated the Tanzania Music Awards for the 2022 show. Almost none of the musicians had pages to wikilink. I wanted to fix this and decided to start by making a page for Marioo. I am being asked if I am being paid by him. I only want to make pages for the award winning musicians in Tanzania, and eventually all Great Lakes. As award winners, they are notable and people should be allowed to learn of them. I do not know how to prove I am not being paid.

In reading my writing, I see there is much for me to learn about writing for an enclipedia. My tone I think is very bad. I want to work on this, but I am afraid all my work will be deleted. I want to be able to wiki link notable award winners in the lakes very badly. Can you offer me any advice? Is my hope impossible? Thank you for any guidance. BevoLJ (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move of Kelly Sweet

Hello, I am asking for more information about your comment at Talk:Kelly Sweet because I do not believe that you have clearly expressed your reasons for opposing this requested move, and since you are the only user so far to have voted on this discussion. The specific information that I would like to receive is: what evidence is lacking between the relationship of Kelly Sweet and Haliene? The reason why you have opposed the move is because there is no evidence that the Kelly Sweet described on the page is Haliene. If this was not actually true, then we would definitely not be covering both of them on the same page. You also say that this should be confirmed through reliable sources, and the first source used on the page definitely confirms this link. Again, we would not be covering the two of them on the same page if we were not aware of this link. Please note that I am not asking you to change your vote, but just to clarify your reasonings for the vote. Thanks, Mori Calliope fan talk 02:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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Queue 3

Can you remove "by The Monitor" from the end of the Patsy Torres hook? SL93 (talk) 23:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done thanks.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

End of pride month

Hello Amakuru, I was hoping if you could help us feature Sandra Melhem’s DYK on the main page before July 1st (very short notice sorry). If this is still possible please let me know el.ziade (talkallam) 11:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

@Elias Ziade: unfortunately it's too late for it to appear in June - today is the 30th, and we already have a DYK set in place for today, which has run for 11 hours so far. I can move it into tomorrow's set (July 1st) if you like, although realize that it's still too late then... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@Elias Ziade: also, the Pride in London march this year is on Saturday (July 2nd), so I could also put it there if that was useful to you... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your swift reply! Friday would be great, thanks a lot. el.ziade (talkallam) 11:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always, and one element is swift helpfulness in the small matters, in an inventive way. It's a pleasure to work with you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Stone

This was an interesting RM, while the rock meaning is likely not primary by usage it may be per long-term significance. Interestingly the unit looks like it isn't normally pluralized and I've only heard it in the singular namely something weighs "3 stone" not something weighs "3 stones" so per WP:PLURALPT there may have been a case for keeping the plural going to the rock even if the singular didn't and I did wander about only having no primary topic for the singular but though it would be best to do both. While Rock is clearly ambiguous Rocks isn't really especially in an encyclopedia as things like "it rocks" wouldn't matter much. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Lost Cause RMs underway

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WikiCup 2022 July newsletter

The third round of the 2022 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 180 points, which is a lower figure than last year when 294 points were needed to progress to round 4. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

  • Zulu (International Code of Signals) BennyOnTheLoose, with 746 points, a tally built both on snooker and other sports topics, and on more general subjects.
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Between them contestants achieved 5 featured articles, 4 featured lists, 51 good articles, 149 DYK entries, 68 ITN entries, and 109 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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Ukrainian Melody

July songs

today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

yesterday I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thanks, that sounds like an amazing concert. I was at a family garden event in the sunshine today, and we saw a small rendition of the Gilbert and Sullivan comic opera Trial by Jury. It has been very pleasant. Wishing you a happy week ahead.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
That also sounds great, thanks for sharing! - ... and another outstanding concert 14 July: Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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A.C. Monza FA candidate

Hey, how's it going? I see you've reviewed football-related articles for FA in recent years. A.C. Monza has been a candidate for over three weeks, and there are almost no comments. I would really appreciate it if you took some time to leave a comment (it doesn't necessarily have to be a full review) :) Nehme1499 21:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Bias response team

Just to say I'm going to rewrite part of it - the bit about "Speech First" failed to mention it's a political group affiliated with the State Policy Network. Right now I've only added an NPOV tag and put my reason on the talk page. And of course a DS for AP. Doug Weller talk 07:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: OK, I've replaced it for now, doesn't sound like it's main-page ready at the moment. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Should I add something to the DYK? But that's closed. Doug Weller talk 09:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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