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May 2008

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V speeds‎

Chris: Thanks for the note on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft‎ page. I had a kick at the page, added some V speeds with Transport Canada references and made the article a bit less USA-centric. See what you think. - Ahunt (talk) 22:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

tips for de-escalation

I have replied to you on the talk page concerned. Please do share.:) Merkin's mum 14:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

There are some things I can't explain to him further, for security reasons. But I don't intend to pester DS here, I just wanted to say that I think I've done all I can. And I know it may seem to be "going on and on" but I'm finding it helpful to discuss it with others, other's support has helped me feel better over it in the same way as the barnstar you gave DS must have done for him. But I'll try to shut up about it A.S.A.P., like, today- and I'm going out for a nice meal later, anyway which will help me move on. That as well as receiving the surprise news at a routine blood test today that despite my love of pizza, I have a cholesterol of 2.:) Which I will stop mentioning everywhere now, but gave me a boost. Nurse said the secret is wine.:) Merkin's mum 14:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Franklin Municipal Airport - John Beverly Rose Field

Hi. I was planning to post a response here on your talk page, but since you started a new thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Airport naming conventions I have posted it there instead. -- Zyxw (talk) 18:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

RB on XBL

Yes. Very much so. -- TRTX T / C 23:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

declined CSD (Eric Castelli)

Hey there, I thought the CSD might be declined, but I'm just curious... Will an a7 always fail as long as the article includes the words "X is notable because ...". I thought it might still be deemed non-notable (regardless of the weak assertion), because Wikipedia does not even have an article on the software that seemingly makes this individual notable. $50 follow-up question: should I have just tagged this version with {{db-copyvio}} ? xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 18:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll have to delve deeper into the deletion policy. And the $50 follow up question? xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 19:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the subject would fail at AFD due to lack of secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject (therefore, I won't take the time to rehash the primary sourced copyvio). Thanks for your time! xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 19:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

ER/GTA IV

Oh , thanks! I play on XBL under the same gamertag as my Wikiname. Feel free to send me a friend req! xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 19:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you ever end up adding me? If so, what's your tag? P.S., I love your userpage design. Can I pilfer borrow it? ;> xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 23:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Chris, just wanted to see if you were another person who added me right around when we had the initial convo. I'll drop a note on Phaedriel's page as well. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 13:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
understandable, I just meant a friendly note thanking her and hoping she comes back one day. I've heard good things about her. xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 13:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of scribble wiki

you obviously cant read! It said under construction! I was developing it and writing proper sources for it. You had no right to delete it. MillionaireMan (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Tap it in on google and you will get it. Also it is advertised on my college website and also on local papers website. MillionaireMan (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Its your job to provide evidence of notability, not mine. If you have a link, please post it here. Otherwise, it will remain deleted. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Big Doe Camp

I am wondering why it was deleted so quickly. I saw the tag that it could be speedily deleted and i added the "holdon" tag and stated that it was a work in progress. I also went on to added a stub tag. You stated that wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a memories page and that there are thousands of camps but not articles for them all. well that is because nobody has created articles for all of them. i was planning on expanding the article to include a lot of information about the camp, how it operated, and the program, and details about the program which made it unique. this was not just any old camp either. lots of camps come and go but very few are around for over 50 years. the camp only closed down because the old couple running it couldn't let it go and pass it on to anyone else so when the old man died the camp closed down. what do i need to recreate the page? must I include a lot of more information about it. I marked it as a stub so it can grow into a larger article. there is lots of information out there about it. I also included a link to a reference to a listing of the camp. anybody looking at the page would know about who founded it, where it was located, the camp song, and what activities were available even though it was short. i do not see why you needed to delete it, please expand on what i need to include to recreate it and why you saw the need to delete it. Magnetawan (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

There is lots of informaiton out there about it. The Trent University Archives holds information about it. [1]These two articles at the university just tell us that they have information archived from the Ontario CAmping Associaiton and the Canadian Camping Association including articles, photographes, and even a taped interview with the founder about the camp. These articles, pictures and the interview are not available online but the information is there to tell us that they do have it in their archives at the University. The Camp Channel also provides information about the camp [2]. I hope this is sufficient in getting the page put back up. --Magnetawan (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Since you have decided that what I have posted above is not sufficient to have the article undeleted can you then please send me the text or a copy of the article which you deleted so that I can use it as a base to expand on and I will therefore have it to develop the article more offline before I post it again. I had hoped to let it develop online so that other people could be involved in helping me develop the article. Magnetawan (talk) 19:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Summit Spring Water (Harrison, Maine) Article

I am surprised that my informational article on Summit Spring/ Summit Spring Water was deleted. I provided source information for the images that I provided, yet you cited the images as examples of blatant copywright infringement. The images were copywrighted by www.summitspring.com, and I provided this information. I am new to Wikipedia and would appreciate if you please clarified your decision to delete the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlars (talk • contribs) 14:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Chris that helped a lot. If I were to change the article so that it were solely about Summit Spring, including media coverage and referencing documents belonging to the Harrison Maine Historical Society, as well as providing the specific copywright specifications of the images would you be willing to undelete it so that I can make the changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlars (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Thierry Wasser

Thierry Wasser is the next in-house perfumer for Guerlain and the first one that is not of the Guerlain family. On top of that he is an important (and star) perfumer in the industry. Saying this person lacks notability is ridiculous. Sjschen. Judging from the previous comments, maybe you are a bit "quick" for the fast deletions? Sjschen (talk) 14:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If a person is highly important for the creative work of a historic company of great distinction in a field, a article on them cannot be really considered vain. While you note the references as "questionable", note that gleaning background information about perfumers in general is difficult since they are generally hidden and obscured by their industry. osMoz , by the way is a good media resource in the flavour and fragrance industry and the site is by no means flaky. Being trigger happy may be for the most part the correct thing to do as an admin but I think in this case a mistake was make :) Sjschen (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll see what I can do. Sjschen (talk) 14:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Silenize

Dude like calm down! I'm contesting it, stop deleting it. I just need to know what's necessary and I asked that on the talk page. Stop being all delete-happy!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Legionstrong (talk • contribs)

Your band lists no reliable third party references to assert notability. If they exist, list them here and I will undelete your article. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The band has played at the local area concert hall "House of Rock" (in Eau Claire, Wisconsin) and if you go to this page http://www.house-of-rock.com/links.htm, all the bands that have played there are listed in alphabetical order. If you scroll to "S", Silenize is listed.

They've also played at Dewey's Roadhouse, and I'm not sure if this is a liable source, but: http://www.eauclairebars.com/2007_12_01_archive.html. Right at the top as "things to do" it lists that night's concert and the bands that played in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legionstrong (talk • contribs) 14:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Could I get a copy of the article so I can get this information without the article being lost? I don't have access to the information necessary at this very moment but will.

Chuckie Akenz

Just curious if you noticed that the speedy tag was IP vandalism. I'd just reverted to Cluebot before you speedied. Look at the last couple of non-vandalism diffs? I think it may be notable. Thoughts? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The article has 4 prior deletions, none of which were done by me. Based on previous deletion history I will assume it is not notable. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
the last one appears to have been two years ago. Looking at the last version and a quick google, I'm not sure it was at all speedy eligible. It asserted some notability and there appears to be some RS coverage. Previous speedies were for non context and copyvio, last was 2006. I think something might have changed in the interim. That's just my thoughts. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Note, he's also had a verified TV appearance since then, I don't think this is speedy eligible TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this more, you appear to be correct. I have undelete the article. Sorry for any inconvenience! I sometimes go through hundereds and hundereds of speedies, and make a mistake every now and then. Thanks again for pointing it out. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries, we're all human :) It's hard to make heads or tales of it from the mess of IP vandalism. I'm going to see if I can at least clean it up. It may not pass AfD in the end but we'll see. I agree it does have an interesting history. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Good call on the s-protect. I was contemplating, wondering whether the IP would knock it off. It's an odd situation. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, when I saw it pop up again, I figured if I deleted it, somebody else might make the same mistake. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 16:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep, seems an odd article to edit war about (look at the last 50 contribs, less ours today). Not quite WP:LAME but getting closer. Have a good day! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

TEAM International Article

Ive made the changes Is there a way to check the draft copy before posting it? Can you actually read my draft before deleting it? Teamint (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ghosting (sport)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ghosting (sport), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghosting (sport). Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow

I'm goin' for a walk 'cause every time I click "delete" you already have. Cheers,

Dlohcierekim has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
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regarding high school musical 4

High school musical 4 which you just deleted, has been recreated about 8 times. is this a candidate for some salt? --Rocksanddirt (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Already done. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of School of Athens

I saw you deleted and said it was a blatant violation of copyright. Could you explain further how you can to this conclusion? Remember (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I apologize, i selected the wrong reason. The image was corrupted and was not viewable. Even in the deletion details, the image is unrecoverable. Sorry about the wrong edit summary. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Re Akaza Research

After reading more carefully, I actually agree with you that this company has asserted notability, and was about to go and remove my own speedy tag when you got there first. However, the other problem is that the material is a copyvio of their own website. I'm not going to tag it, since that might be a bit more "bite-y" than I should really be -- I'm going to see if I can work with them to fix it up. Thanks for your good judgment and action. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If it is copyvio, you can tag it as such. Copyvios should be deleted. If you dont get anywhere working with them, be sure to take it as copyvio when you are done. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I agree, I'm just going to try to work with the author first to make Wikipedia a little more welcoming for them than I've made it be thus far. I figure as an open source company they will be aware of the copyright situation. If you have any further concerns, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Proof_that_the_neutral_axis_of_a_beam_lies_on_the_centroid_of_the_cross_section

This article was speedily deleted while I was working on it under the criteria of not enough information. This is a common proof of stress analysis that is found in almost all solid mechanics. See http://em-ntserver.unl.edu/NEGAHBAN/Em325/11-Bending/Bending.htm. I was working on the math formulas. Please undelete it so I can finish it or redirect me to a place where it is already stated.

Thank you. --Markozeta (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Article in question is Proof that the neutral axis of a beam lies on the centroid of the cross section. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have replied on your talk page. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll simply add it to the neutral axis page, which I was attempting to edit. I've been accused of being too technical on my pages, so I thought I'd go around the discussion by creating a separate page with the proof, as has been done with the pi page for proofs that it is irrational. I'll simply add it to the neutral axis page then. --Markozeta (talk) 18:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The DOORKICK

You deleted this, but it's been created three times now. May be time to salt. Qworty (talk) 19:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Depending on the article, I most often salt on the 4th re-creation. I will be keeping my eye on it for a re-creation. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Moment (Magazine) deletion

Hi, you deleted the article "Moment (Magazine)" and I would like an explanation...thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Circusmark88 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I just deleted a redirect that had improper capitalization. The article is still there actually. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixative (drawing)

What reasons do you have for suspecting that Fixative (drawing) was blatant copyright infringement? I had split it out from the Fixative article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Came from here. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
It was a mirror of the article at Fixative (see [3]) before I split out the different subjects. The sentence at the link that reads "This biology article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." is a pretty good clue. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Good catch. I have undeleted it. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Hi there - per 23:33 (Deletion log) . . Chrislk02 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:John McPherson&redirect=no" (content was: '{{db-move|John McPherson|John McPherson (Australian politician), 19th century 1st South Australian Labor leader in a governing coalition more important ...}}' (and the only contributor was 'Timeshift9')) it would appear that was deleted buy the problem remains. This needs to be removed so I can move John McPherson (Australian politician) to John McPherson which is at the moment just a redirect to the first. Are you able to make the changes? Timeshift (talk) 22:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletions

Hi Chris, I'm not sure I understand your deletion of this image Image:Sanzio 01.jpg which was on my user talk page. This painting is 500 years old and the presumptive copyright holder Raphael has been dead for 490 years. The copyright term doesn't last quite that long in any country :) --JayHenry (talk) 02:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sorry about that. I covered this error in a previous thread above this. The image file was corrupted, or unviewable. However, when I deleted it, I selected the wrong quick reason. I have reviewed the deleted image and the text of the page is there but the actual image revisions are gone (leading me to assume that the image was truly corrupted some how?). Hope this helps. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 13:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Oof, I see now that you're fielding a lot of these requests! Sorry, I didn't realize you'd already addressed this one. It turns out there's a better quality copy of this image at The School of Athens, so no further action needed. Thanks for your patience. --JayHenry (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi, can you be more explicit in your speedy deletion reason in the deletion log when deleting? Merely linking to the AFD for the article that were submitted that day with no one having argued speedy deletion does not allow someone to see under what CSD criteria a particular article was deleted under, which leaves room for needless DRV process if the articles were deserving of deletion. Regards. KTC (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you point to a specific example please? I generally use the appropriate CSD tag from the drop down list. If i close an assocaited AFD, I attempt to list the criteria I deleted it under. IF you can list a sepcifc example, it would be very helpful. Thanks. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I saw this at AFD which were redlinked but wasn't closed, so I looked at the deletion log. Then there's also this AFD from the same day with its log. KTC (talk) 01:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
At the time I deleted them, there was no linked deletion discussion. I always follow AFD notices on speedy pages and close them if I speedy delete them. Sorry if this caused any inconvenience. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 01:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

June 2008

Georgia Tech Freshman Experience

You deleted Georgia Tech Freshman Experience as WP:CSD#G4. The newer version appeared to have been created without knowledge of the former version, and I believe (but am not sure) that it cited a reasonable number of reliable sources, a contributing objection in the article's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgia Tech Freshman Experience. If nothing else, we could restore it and move it to Georgia Tech Housing or Georgia Institute of Technology Housing (the latter is currently a redirect) (not sure how to phase/capitalize that one) which would probably have a better assertion of notability. Thanks! —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Why?

Hello Chris

Could I be so bold to ask you why you removed a speedy deletion notice? Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 17:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I am an administrator currently patrolling Speedy deletions and probably felt it was unfit for speedy deletion. Do you have a specific example? Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

This article Light Anti-Structures Missile, personally I dont really think it has any real world priority the missle just seems a spin off of another and it has no references. Yours, Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 17:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It does have a reference. It may or may not need to be deleted, however I did not feel it met one of our cristiera for speedy deletion. You are welcome to propose it for non controversial deletion or take it ti articles for deletion. Your call. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

To do a proposed deletion I just add "{{subst:prod|reason}}", dont I? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Police,Mad,Jack (talk • contribs)

Yes, prods need to be substed. A quick heads up though, prods can be removed by anybody if they disagree with it. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Akim Aliu

Hi, I see you deleted Akim Aliu citing A7. Was it speedied or prodded? Want was the current state of it? He has played professionally [4] at that meets WP:BIO. I'm not trying to be difficult: a AFD discussion would be a close call, but there's no way he's a speedy. ccwaters (talk) 17:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will undelete it if you take it to AFD. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Sure. Give me a few minutes. ccwaters (talk) 17:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
CAn you give me the talk page too. I think I recall a discussion about this on his talk ccwaters (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Yep, no problem. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I guess not, I think we might have talked about him at WP:HOCKEY somewhere then. Anyway, I've given the original speedy nominator a chance to AFD it here, if he doesn't respond, I guess I'll nominate. ccwaters (talk) 17:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Akim_Aliu. ccwaters (talk) 18:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD vs. speedy

Why did you remove the {{db-author}} tags from Migratorius, Monogyna, Rubecula and Oblonga? The author of those pages requested deletion, and even if there is an AfD present for all four pages, the pages clearly meet G7 criteria. I have never seen any rule that says AfD and speedy cannot overlap if the speedy criterion is valid; furthermore, I see no reason to drag out the process when there're perfectly legit concerns for speedy deletion. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I very often close the AFD as part of a speedy process. However, looking at the disambiguation pages, they looked somewhat useful to me. Just because an editor requests a page be delete does not mean it always has to be deleted. I understand where you are coming form by wanting to get it over with but figure some input from the community on redirects such as those listed above could not hurt. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I also cannot find where the orignial author is requesting deletion? That is part of the criteria of G7 which you are listing them under. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

NVM, I just went ahead and deleted them. I woulda rather let the AFD run its course but why not. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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AfD

Dear Admin, Would Polar cities be speedily delete considering its copyright violations? I'm surprised its still around: [5] I carried out a google search on the article's words and all the article's info comes from this blog site I noted. Just curious. Artene50 (talk) 01:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

not that important, but

you speedied Editing At-One as a "copyvio - G11." But g11 is spam and g12 is copyvio. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It was actually a little bit of both! I find that most copyvios are also pretty spammy. I often tag both in my CSD reason just to be clear. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re, "Be careful"

Hi,

Please can you check that one; I am pretty sure that Erm IS nonsense and should be deleted, and the real placename is Achterste Erm ?

If that's true, though, it's been there for a long time, and it will need changing in Coevorden and Template:Coevorden-town

--  Chzz  ►  17:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I have responded on your talk page. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Removal of EQ screenshot.

While I am not too concerned with the actual shot removed... it doesn't much affect the article and is just one more example of what the screens look like.

However, the reasoning behind including screenshots from video games in the video game articles is very important. Can you tell me what the problem with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Crystal_Caverns_Queen_spider_lair.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1

was?

Sinneed (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Proper fair use rationale had not been provided and it had been 7 days since it was tagged. After an image is tagged with a fair use problem, there are 7 days to get it sorted out. After that they are subjet to deletion. For more details on what exactly is required for fair use of a copyrighted image, please read WP:FUC. In short, there was no fair use rationale, or the fair use rational did not provide article specific context (seperate fair use statements are required for each article a fair use image is used in, and the name of the article must appear specifically in the fair use critiera). An example of a good fair use statement can be seen here. Hope this helps. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the tagging does not trigger an event on the watchlist for the article. If the image can be brought back, I may be able to provide some insight. I am curious as to why the image was tagged after, what, years ago? I am also curious as to how it is different from the other images. It is from LONG before I even accessed wiki, so I don't even know what the image showed, much less what its rationale was. It may indeed not belong here at all. I generally am dubious of ALL images in these articles... I see them as eye-candy that drives up the real cost of the wiki project while providing only limited value. :) Sinneed (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

There has recently been a push to ensure that all of our images are fair use compliant. The problem was not with the image, the problem was with the fair use statement. There was a week given to fix it and nobody did so it was deleted. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

teh rfa thanks !

chris, just wanted to drop in and thank you for participating in my recent RFA. also, I dropped by Phaedriel's page and left her a message, I can see why she is dearly missed. anyhow, you may be interested in reviewing my in-depth RFA analysis (comments welcome). templated thank spam also left for you below. cheers, xenocidic (talk) 13:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks

thanks--Finalnight (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Approval

Hi there, I would just like to say that your account to use the English Wikipedia Internal Account Creation Interface has been approved so you can now log into the tool. If you need any help please message me :> ·Ãḍď§ђɸŗЄ· Talk 15:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Thanks

OMG thank you so much, and your welcome by the way just doing my duty =] I reported him so I'm sure he can expect a block. Thanks again! Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs)☺ 17:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yea, he was already blocked. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes - thanks for the barnstar =) xenocidic (talk) 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
(Re friend request) With all the wiki-excitement I haven't been on my xbox lately, I just accepted it through the web though. xenocidic (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
You have the Let sleeping rockstars lie achievement?! I'm jealous! xenocidic (talk) 18:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I actually just got that last night. I was in a GTA race and I think there were two of them and my brother killed one so I made sure to swoop in for a kill before ending the race (they were great at setting up roadblocks, it was quite possible the most perfect roadblock I had ever seen). Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Wikipedia:Upload

I've answered your post, and I've posted some links to traffic statistics for some unprotected high traffic pages on the sidebar.

The Transhumanist    03:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Clayton and Bell

Why was the pic deleted? I thought that one had been adequately dealt with? Amandajm (talk) 11:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Kirori Singh Bhainsla

You recently deleted this article. Reason sited that he is not significant.

  • 16:45, June 2, 2008 Chrislk02 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kirori Singh Bhainsla" ‎ (A7 (bio): Real person; doesn't indicate importance/significance)
    Actually if you do a search on google or even just visit ibnlive.com you would get to know how much a head-ache this person is to current Rajasthan government. He is leading a caste based violence struggle in Indian state in which already 37 people have died. He is quite significant....or should I say "very bad"ly significant. There is already an article on wiki for this 2008 caste violence in Rajasthan.
    You are an admin so must be knowing how to recover the deleted article. I dont know how to do this so asking you. Article may be having POV, or badly written or may be even abusing depending upon who wrote it but can be cleaned. Let me know when you recover it and I will have a look at it. --gppande «talk» 07:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I will do it when I get to work in about an hour. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 13:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
A copy of the deleted article can be found at User:Chrislk02/Kirori Singh Bhainsla . I will leave it there for a week then delete it again. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 14:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting that article back. I saw that the article was well written but had POV. Also it did not have the refs as you said. I have edited the page User:Chrislk02/Kirori Singh Bhainsla. Please go through it once and let me know your comments. Thanks for your help. --gppande «talk» 16:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, I moved it back to the mainspace. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pizza delivery in popular culture

Hello! I have serious concerns with this closure. You say a "majority" in your closing rationale; it is NOT a vote. And as a discussion, the ending of the discussion is that the article had been cleaned up in such a fashion that editors now believed it should be merged or kept. There was absolutely no consensus to delete here and I strongly urge you to either relist or close as no consensus. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I will re-review this. Give me a minute or two. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I have re-stated closing rationale, however have not changed my mind about it. You are welcome to take it to DRV, that is ok with me. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Please note that near the end of the discussion a request was made to "Re-list the new article if you must; I doubt it'd get the same negative response that the earlier article did" after which two editors argued to keep and only one was still in the delete camp. Most if not all of the deletes were made PRIOR to the improvement. Once the improvement occurred the discussion changed course dramatically. Thus the actual discussion ended with a consensus to keep or to discuss further, but aboslutely in no way could that have ended in delete. Please reconisder once more before I start the DRV. Thanks. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Pizza delivery in popular culture

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Pizza delivery in popular culture. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Closing AFDs

Hey there Chris, please note that when closing AFDs, the {{subst:at}} '''decision''' template needs to go at the very top of the debate, and not just in place of where it says "remove this template when closing". I've gone back and fixed a few of yours today, so no worries, just for future reference. Hit me up on my talkpage if you have questions -- cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Did I do this one properly? xenocidic (talk) 22:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Nope. Didn't.  :-) Your "decision" needs to be the very very top of the page when you hit "edit this page". Means you have to move everything else down. The confusion comes from the hidden note that says "remove this template...". Remove it, yes, but don't replace it with your "result of the debate". The result is required to go above the Bluelinked article title so that Mathbot removes it from the "open debates" log. I fixed this one, check the diffs to see what I did differently than you :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out keeper, Ill pay closer attention in the future! Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 23:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Ah - above the second level header, in other words. See - talk page stalking has its benefits! cheers, xenocidic (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
All smiles here, gentlemen! The only reason I know any of this is because I screwed up my first half dozen or so, and K-Katie set me straight. Just passing it forward. Going offline here any minute, happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Emarosa

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Emarosa. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 04:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

iPhone picture

Hey, I don't really care what happens to that article at this point, but I'll say it's a bit strange that you feel a badly taken picture of a stock iPhone is preferable to a better one with a few extra icons. Since the article is about the iphone in general, and not the OS in particular, deviation from Apple's official, vanilla OS is not terrible. What will you say when people start adding applications from apple's official store? An image of one of those phone will not have the base set of icons either. Mattnad (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I see your point, I was probably a little hasty in changing the picture. You are welcome to change it back. I dont feel strongly enough about it to object. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:IPhone Home.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:IPhone Home.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I did not upload this image, however reverted to a previous version. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 13:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mac Lee Green

This article doesn't meet the speedy criteria of A7 as Mac Lee Green isn't a real person. I'm already getting flack from the original author. Could you please undelete it so it can go to AfD and/or it can be retagged with a more appropriate criteria. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

  • oops.. please accept my apologies got caught up and missed the actual timing of things. ignore the above as far as restoring the article. Thanks again. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Clear Span Structures - Not Blatant Adversiting

There is absolutely no blatant advertising on this page. The first paragraph is a definition of what a clear span structure is, and it's clearly noted where that information has come from. The mention of Mahaffey Fabric Structures is a clear fact, and is known throughout the world, and especially the tent and fabric structure industry. It is a clear, well-known fact, and therefore, there is absolutely no advertising. Please advise, and please keep this article up and running, as it is purely educational.Mtc38118 (talk) 17:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not the only person who thought it was spam as it has been deleted before by somebody else. You are welcome to try create the article in your userspace, and after completion let me know. I will review it and if it meets wikipedias criteria, I will gladly move it to the mainspace.Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Please repost "Hall 'The Hoover' Hunt". Thanks.

Chrislk02 can you please replace my "Hall 'The Hoover' Hunt" page? Thank you very much. The material is historical and accurate with many links to confirm this. Thank you. Hall Hunt (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Hall Hunt

Dark Clouds Deletion

Chrislk02-

I am wondering why Dark Clouds was deleted. This page is no different then the following Soccer/Football supporters pages;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ultras_groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbers_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Soccer_Fanatics

An explanation of why this page was deleted and how this page is different in topic than the pages listed above would be appreciated. Also, I am willing to hear how the content could be changed to reverse this deletion.

Thank you Winonanick (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Db gt box.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Db gt box.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re. Outside Opinion

Hello Chris. I've just read the discussion. I understand and find valid both your position and the other side's position. This is one of those cases when WP:V seems to have a brush with WP:CRYSTAL. The best solution might be to allow inclusion of the disputed statements, while explicitly declaring alongside that such statements are "according to X source". That way, Wikipedia will not state that this or that will effectively happen, just that X had declared that it will. And the latter, I guess, is true. I'm not sure if my input helps, but I hope so. Best regards, Húsönd 20:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it is much appreciated. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
this is similar to a proposed solution to the Niko nationality debacle. (X states Niko is eastern european while Y states Niko is Serbian). xenocidic (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much for the barnstars, Chris! I didn't even know double barnstars were legal. :-D I'm very glad that my feedback was positive. Feel free to contact me whenever you need a second opinion on something. Best regards, Húsönd 21:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Sirkus (Afrikaans Rock Band)

The band Sirkus was referenced under the List of South African Musicians without any contest. The notability of Sirkus (Afrikaans Rock Band) lies within that reference as its intention is to provide more information about the band to any user referencing that list. Without any explination of such a reference the information contained in the List of South African Musicians would be unusable and pointless.

Further, notability lies within the radio play that the band has already received on local South African radio (Channel 1485 and the openmikenight.co.za Live Streaming Audio Channel) These are not hard to reference, but hard to prove and therefore its relaibility would be questioned. Hundreds of South African's know it happened, but once it happened and passed, it's hard to reference.

Printed coverage in national and regional news articles are also hard to reference without adding content to the wiki-gallery. If the paper has an online presence it is usually heavily condenced. So much so that only an image remains. Point in case - http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=68713,1,22.

Would appreciate it if the page was restored, so I can have time to add all these references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eratos (talk • contribs)

June Slipknot Newsletter

The Slipknot WikiProject Newsletter

Issue III - June 20, 2008
If you would like to help out with future newsletters, please contact the Outreach Department.
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When all hope is gone"
News and announcements
Jump the Frak Up!

The project will hold its first "Roll Call" over the next two weeks. All users who plan on actively contributing to the Project are encouraged to add your name to the designated section of the discussion page. Failing to add your name within two weeks will cause you to become an "Inactive member", barring you from voting in the Aof and recieving this newsletter. Remember, you can re-add your name at anytime, if you feel like becoming active again!

(sic) news

The band's first song from All Hope Is Gone is avalible to download (for FREE!) today. The first official single, "Psychosocial", will be avalible for digital download on July 1. All Hope Is Gone is expected to be released on August 26.

Kaleidescape

Hi. I noticed you speedied Kaleidescape as "blatant advertising." The article was certainly just a start, but I think calling it spam is a bit of a stretch. The company is notable, and the only "advertising" bit I mentioned in the stub was that it had been picked by Popular Science magazine. The only link in the article was an external link to the homepage for the company, which is not out of the ordinary. I'd appreciate the page being restored. I don't believe it met the criteria for speedy deletion as spam, even as it was. ʝuѕтɛn 11:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Just checking on this... ʝuѕтɛn 20:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I will review this a little bit later (prob tom morning, I have to go coach a softball game). Sorry for the delay for this. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This is very clearly either spam or a non-notable company. I was the 3rd independent person who reviewed the article and felt it did not meet our criteria here. I will not be un-deleting this. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The third person in three years, you mean? Or are you referring specifically to this most-recent speedy? I think calling the article spam is just not accurate; it was a matter of fact article. I quickly wrote it up after reading a story about the company in a magazine. I have no interest in the company, and I don't even own any of its products. Calling it not-notable is your opinion, but that's not sufficient for speedy. The right thing to do would be to restore and take it to AfD if you think it's not notable. I don't like a Google News test for notability, but it has over twenty recent articles mentioning the company, and quite a bit more on archive. The CSS legal case against the company, alone, I believe makes it notable. Bottom line: it wasn't speedy criteria, and it isn't justification to speedy an article based on past deletions in 2006 and 2007. It wasn't spam, and it needs to be restored (and nominated for deletion properly if you feel it's non-notable). ʝuѕтɛn 20:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
If there are reliable source, then by all nmeans recreate it and cite it. The article as is a.)only link is to the companys site b.) appears as though it exists only to promote the company. I have no problem un-deleting it if you are going to add appropriate citations to it. Will you agree to do that? Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 21:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I have created a copy of it here. Feel free to cite it and move it back to the mainspace. I have nothing against it if it can truly be cited and is notable. You have to understand we are constantly fighting the battle against spammers. Just taking your their word that the company is notable is not good enough (linking to their site, etc). If it is true what you say then feel free to add the citations and move it back. Sorry for any inconvenience. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 21:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I have no problem sourcing the article if it is undeleted. ʝuѕтɛn 21:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a second look. I'll work on the sources then move it over. Take care. ʝuѕтɛn 21:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Mind taking a look at the cited version? Any thoughts on ways I could better improve it would be appreciated. Thanks, again. Take care. ʝuѕтɛn 22:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Cites look good, plenty of reliable sources listed. Based on that, it looks good. Thanks for the hard work. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 22:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

George Bush (Biblical scholar)

Hi Chris. I am a bit hot under the collar, so I will try not to be rude, but please undelete this article. It is a high profile article, and I'm not sure why in the world you would delete it before checking to make sure that it wasn't the vandalism that was "pure nonsense" (especially for a title like this one). The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Article is undeleted! Sorry if it was a mistake. Based on the title, it is VERY conceivable that it was a hoax but I am unfamiliar with the topic So I have undeleted and will let somebody else sort it out. Sorry if it caused any inconvenience. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 21:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Latest DYK

Updated DYK query On 24 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Skirmish at Waters Creek, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Wandsworth Parks Police

Hi Chris. I noticed your tag edits to this article. Thanks very much. I felt I was banging my head against a brick wall with certain editors arbitarily deleting items from the discussion page and not wishing to enter into a adult discussion about the issues in the article. Thanks again. Dibble999 (talk) 15:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I actually am unsure of the articles notability and have added sent it to articles for deletion to get community input on the validity of such articles. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


Wandsworth Parks Police

Dear Chris, please delete the Wandsworth Parks Police. Dibble999 is using it for his bias we at the Wandsworth Parks Police do not want the article on Wiki for people like Nigel's amusment and to take potshots thinly disguising them as being rightous above others. Thanks. TopCat666 (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to follow the link to the articles for deletion discussion located at the top of the article and add your two cents to the discussion there.Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability because it exists is rare but it does happen

In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larne Harbour Police you say Nothing is notable for the fact that it exists. By and large this is true, but there are a few categories where existence is sufficient to make an article. For example, any animal or plant species is notable if it's mere existence is reported in a reliable source and there is no additional information about them. This can happen if the discoverer has embargoed additional information pending a press conference, for example. Police departments, bands, schools, and almost every other topic doesn't have this "the paper says it exists, therefore it is notable" privilege. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that. For the situation in the AFD, I do not believe it is applicable. The fact that a police department exists does not make it notable in this situation. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 21:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
We agree on this article. I just got a little nervous when you made the statement implying there were no exceptions. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe almost nothing is black and white. That being said, I take an exceptionally high line on notability requirements and think we have a lot of stubs for things that people, "Think" are notable and in their own minds may be notable to them, but according to wikipedias standards are not notable. A quote from wikipedias policies on verifiability says, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Sure there are a few exceptions but in my mind 99% of the time it does not fall outside of these guidelines. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 23:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Not just verifibility, but non-triviality and encyclopediality. I've seen more than one article with tons of references from reliable sources to trivial and unencyclopedic information. Those articles usually die in AfD and the people voting "keep" can't understand why the article can't stay: "It's been cited in 3 different news stories" they say, never mind that the newspaper in question was a community or small-town newspaper that will print anything that happens in the neighborhood, regardless of its notability. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I do actually agree with you. I believe that encyclopedic content here must be verifiable. However, the inverse statement is not true, that all verifiable content is encyclopedic. Again, there is gray area in a lot of these areas and most participants at AFD are there because they a.) feel is is a requirement for future admin promotion. By citing policy strictly it will look good on their record. or b.) are there because they hold very strong (biased) feelings about the topic and have no knowledge of policy at all. I believe a small percent (<5%) actually view afd completely subjectively. 00:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:COMPUTING Invitation

I have noticed that you are already a member of a related project and thought you might be interested in this wikiproject also and hence leaving this note ... - From the outreach dept


Please accept this invite to join the Computing WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to computers and computing.
Simply click here to accept! -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Pitot tube

Hi, thanks for your response on the pitot tube article. I thought about editing the article myself but I'm not sure I would do it any justice by hacking out all references to aviation. Also, I see that the article has value to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation as it is written. I've been looking around trying to find another wikiproject that maybe should have their hand in this. The closest I can come up with is Wikipedia:WikiProject_Physics although I don't see any projects trying to take on measuring devices yet.

My thought is that if WP Physics could handle the basic history, science, and use of the pitot tube then WP Aviation could have a section, stub, or other article that covered specific history and use in aviation. I may take a stab at editing later if I feel like I would actually be making improvements.

Steveandaugie (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

regarding WP:UAA

I re-added my inquiry because the editor with no amin tool removed it at the place for editor seeking administrative attention. The person did not be permitted to delete the info by his own. So I do not understand your edit summary. --Caspian blue (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

UAA, like AFD, can be monitored by non administrators. This is often done by experienced users, who may not have administrative tools. (For example, even non-administrators are permitted to close AFD's in un-ambiguous situations). THe editor in question reviewed it, and removed it (and used an appropriate edit summary/explanation as to why he removed it and why it was not a policy violation). After you replaced, I reviewed it myself and agreed with the original editor who removed the report, so I removed it and asked that it not be re-added (continuing to re-add things that have already been removed by trusted users can be viewed as disruption or admin shopping. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Look, I only re-added it one time, and accepted the removal by you. However, what I don't get is the removal of Wisdom78, so come to talk about why I reverted it. Moreover, I don't not regard that he is one of trusted users in the Wiki space per his three failed WP:RFA and my own observances unlike your assertion. So your last comment is nothing but a very uncivil and offensive threat. At the edit summary, you clearly assumed that I would re-add my inquiry again against the two people's objection, that is a blatant bad faith. --Caspian blue (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry that you view it as a threat. The fact is, it was no such thing. I have used the "DO not readd this" edit summary in the past. It is not meant to be offensive, however is an attempt to head of any edit warring that may occur from mis-communication. The latter part of my above thread was an attempt to get this across, however was mis-understood as a threat. Just because a user fails a RFA does not mean they are unreliable/or not trust worthy. I myself have failed an RFA, as well as many other administrators. Passing a RFA does not "magically" qualify a person as trustworthy (as there are [in my opinion] un-trust worthy administrators and there are trustworthy non-administrators). Furthermore, passing an RFA does not give anybody any special powers (other than janitorial access to certain tools[which are actually irrelevant in removing a name from UAA]. The only administrative tool used at UAA is blocking which did not appear appropriate in this situation) or rights on this project. Jimbo himself says that RFA is, "No big deal." I hope you can see that I have no intention of threatning or offending any editors on this project, and have acted in good faith (as I understand you have as well). If I felt you were acting in bad faith, or otherwise innapropriatley I would have kindly addressed it on your talk page. Hope this helps. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 21:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate your kind explanation. I've seen many closures by non-administrators at RFD/RFA, but have no experience at UAA. Although I have no past experience with the non-admin except throwing my vote at his RFA, I've seen his brusque comments against others at ANI, so I have a bit of prejudice. Anyway, as for the naming, I guess my inquiry stems from cultural differences. I'm surprised to find that User:Death, User:Dead, User:Dying are not blocked. (On Korean Wikipedia, such names are very offensive and blockable user name..) Thank you for your time and effort. --Caspian blue (talk) 21:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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