Template:Did you know nominations/Tokoyama

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 12:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Tokoyama

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... that tokoyama working in kabuki are divided into specialties named after the floors of the Kabuki-za?
ALT0a: ... that tokoyama (traditional Japanese hairdressers) working in kabuki are divided into specialties named after the floors of the Kabuki-za?
ALT0b: ... that tokoyama working as kabuki hairdressers are divided into specialties named after the floors of the Kabuki-za? Source: Gunji, Masakatsu (1985). Kabuki. Kodansha International. p. 50. ISBN 0870117327.
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Improved to Good Article status by OtharLuin (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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OtharLuin (talk) 08:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC).

General eligibility:
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article was recently promoted to GA and has no copyright issues picked up by Earwig. QPQ not needed and the hook is interesting. @OtharLuin: Can you provide a different source or archive? I can't see page 50 with the provided source. -- Zoo Blazer 18:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Are you unable to access the book itself or are you unable to access it because you don't have an archive.org account? As for other sources, all I have to offer is either the official Kabuki-za website or Kabuki21's (a subject matter expert) kabuki glossary, but it won't be linked to the hook, which can be found in the books on archive.org only. nikai tokoyama + sangai tokoyama - OtharLuin (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Managed to get the page to work on the archive, so everything looks GTG now. Nice work. -- Zoo Blazer 19:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@ZooBlazer and OtharLuin: per WP:DYKINT, hooks are supposed to be interesting to those with no knowledge of the subject; however, this hook is unintelligible if you do not know the subject or Japanese well. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: I respectfully disagree on the question of intelligibility however I admit that the word tokoyama perhaps requires some clarification, tell me what you think. - OtharLuin (talk) 11:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:DYKMOS, hooks should not contain parentheses, OtharLuin. How about the following ALT0a: ... that traditional Japanese hairdressers working in kabuki theatre are divided into specialties named after the floors of the Kabuki-za in Tokyo? This at least gives the reader some idea of what the hook is going on about. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Not convinced by your proposal too, I'd like to keep the word tokoyama... I modified the initial hook - OtharLuin (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Is it okay now or do you want further changes AirshipJungleman29? -- Zoo Blazer 15:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Please do not modify the original hook OtharLuin; it makes it confusing for new reviewers. For reference, OtharLuin's alterations are now titled ALT0a and ALT0b. ALT0b is borderline, because I still think that the ability of non-familiar readers to understand the hook and get interested is severely compromised, but if another promoter feels that they can promote, I'll leave it up to them. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)