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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

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Rachel Dyer

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  • ... that Rachel Dyer portrays sexual frustration as a cause of the Salem witch trials? Source: Page 301 of this published dissertation says: "Later in the novel [Rachel Dyer], when George Burroughs is condemned to death on the false testimony of a woman whose love he rejected, sexual frustration and jealousy become openly destructive forces, which critics have duly noted. But the ground for this development is already laid in this early chapter, when the sexual awakening of Bridget Pope is directly linked to the outbreak of witchcraft."

Created by Dugan Murphy (talk). Self-nominated at 01:10, 5 April 2022 (UTC).

  • Article is new, long enough, hook is properly cited and there are no copyvio concerns. My only comment is the plot summary appears to be over 1,000 words, whereas the general suggested length says "400 to 700 words are usually sufficient for a full-length work". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Good point about the plot length. I just read through WP:PLOTSUM and MOS:PLOT, which gave me ideas of what to retain and what to modify about the plot summary. I'll get to trimming and ping when I'm done. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Plot summary is trimmed. Anything else before this nomination can proceed? Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
No, that was the only issue, so this is now good. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
@Dugan Murphy and Ritchie333: howdy! I think this hook falls afoul of the in-universe hook rule, since it's about a theme in the book; is there a real-world hook that can be used? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I don't see how it does. Do I need to add a couple words to make it more clear that Rachel Dyer is a novel and not a person? Like,
hmmm—not quite. My issue is that the hook concerns a theme of the book, without really demonstrating any real-world impacts or causes of that theme. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I'll give up on modifying the original hook. How about this new one?
  • ALT2 ... that Rachel Dyer (1828) is the first bound novel about the Salem witch trials? Source: Page 82 of this book says: "While Rachel Dyer is not—as claimed by Leisy—the first American novel to treat witchcraft in New England, it is the first hardcover novel to center on the Salem events. The only predecessor is the anonymous Salem, an Eastern Tale which had run serialy in 1820 in a New York journal, but distribution was small and influence smaller." Dugan Murphy (talk) 22:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@Dugan Murphy: ooh, I quite like that :) it's the first American bound novel about it, is it not? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Cool. You could insert the word "American" into the hook, but it's not necessary. No non-Americans precede John Neal in this regard. Would you say this nomination is ready to proceed? Dugan Murphy (talk) 23:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
ALT2a: ... that Rachel Dyer became the first American bound novel about the Salem witch trials in 1828?
yep! I've cleaned it up a bit in this ALT2a, but we're good to go. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
ALT2a promoted to Prep 5. Z1720 (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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