Talk:Yosef Dayan

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NPOV[edit]

The article mentions his son as being "the outstanding soldier" ... this seems to violate NPOV. Colage 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I deleted that clause (before seeing this note); it seems like a clear NPOV violation and I couldn't think of any reason not to.P4k 08:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His son was nominated to receive the "President Excellence Award" (he:אות מצטיין הנשיא) which is given annualy to 120 exceptional soldiers. This an important award, so I believe outstanding is not really POV, like saying someone with a Nobel Prize is an important scientist is not POV. DGtal 11:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pretender[edit]

The pretender's page says that Dayan is a decendent of King David and a pretender to the throne of Israel. Is this true? If so, How was he able to trace his lineage almost three thousand years? Emperor001 21:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are thousands of Jews that trace their roots to king David. Some are generally considered well based (including at least one Dayan family, I don't know if the same one, it's a common surname), some are less based (see also deletion discussion). There is not current proof that Dayan is more an active pretender than any of the others (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the Israeli throne). DGtal (talk) 16:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oral tradition.--24.57.60.200 --24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted "the official genealogies of the Jews were destroyed, by Africanus maintained in the early third century, but evidently by the Romans at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E." --24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • - Adam.
  • - Seth.
  • - Enosh.
  • - Cainan.
  • - Mahalaleel.
  • - Jared.
  • - Enoch.
  • - Methuselah.
  • - Lamech.
  • - Noah.
  • - Shem.
  • - Arpachshad.
  • - Cainan.
  • - Shelah.
  • - Eber.
  • - Peleg.
  • - Reu.
  • - Serug.
  • - Nahor.
  • - Terah.
  • - Abram:Abraham. [Married Sarai:Sarah his half-sister, likely a daughter of Terah]
  • - Isaac.
  • - Jacob:Israel.
  • - Judah.
  • - Perez.
  • - Hezron.
  • - Ram.
  • - Amminadab.
  • - Nahshon.
  • - Salmon.
  • - Boaz (by Ra´hab).
  • - Obed (by Ruth).
  • - Jesse.
  • - David.
  • - Solomon (by Bathsheba). * - Nathan (by Bath-sheba) (Mary's line) (Zechariah 12:10-14)
  • - Rehoboam.
  • - Abijah.
  • - Asa.
  • - Jehoshaphat.
  • - Jehoram.
  • - Ahaziah.
  • - Jehoash.
  • - Amaziah.
  • - Uzziah.
  • - Jotham.
  • - Ahaz.
  • - Hezekiah.
  • - Manasseh.
  • - Amon.
  • - Josiah.
  • - Jeconiah.
  • - Shealtiel.
  • - Zerubbabel. * this from line the Dayan trace their lineage by means of oral tradition.
  • - Meshulam.
  • - Khaninah.
  • - Berakhiyah.
  • - Khasdayah.
  • - Yeshayah. (Isaiah)
  • - Ovadiah.
  • - Shekhaniah.
  • - Shemayahu.
  • - Khizkiyah.
  • - Yokhanan.
  • - Shefat.(Sephat)
  • - Khanan.
  • - Natan Detzuzita.
  • - Khokhna.
  • - Kahana.
  • - Rekhami.
  • - Natan.
  • - Kahana.
  • - Khuna.
  • - Merima.
  • - Khanina.
  • - Khuna.
  • - Kufnai.
  • - Bustenai.
  • - Khasdai.
  • - Zakkai.
  • - Shlomo. (Solomon)
  • - Nekhemiah. (Nehemiah)
  • - Yitskhak. (Isaac)
  • - Yehudah. (Judah)
  • - David.
  • - Yehudah. (Judah)
  • - Zakkai.
  • - Yoshiyahu.
  • - Shlomo. (Solomon)
  • - Yishai.
  • - Khaim.
  • - David.
  • - Zekhariyah. (Zechariah)
  • - Yosef.
  • - Saadiah.
  • - Moshe (Moses)
  • - Shlomo.
  • - Yehudah.
  • - Ovadiah. (Obadiah)
  • - Zedakiah.
  • - Saadiah.
  • - Moshe (Moses)
  • - Ovadiah.(Obadiah)
  • - Zedakiah.
  • - Ovadiah. (Obadiah)
  • - Moshe. (Moses)
  • - Saadiah.
  • - Moshe. (Moses)
  • - Mordekhai.
  • - Dayan. (which became the suriname)
  • - Natan
  • - Yosef. (Joseph)
  • - Mordekhai.
  • - Yosef. (Joseph)
  • - Mordekhai.
  • - Elazar Khaim.
  • - Yeshaya.
  • - Avraham (Abraham)
  • - Moshe (Moses)--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Jesus' father Joseph line was traced as follows based ancient records.)--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC) --Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • - Abiud, son of Zerubabbel.
  • - Eliakim.
  • - Azor.
  • - Zadok.
  • - Achim.
  • - Eliud.
  • - Eleazar.
  • - Matthan.
  • - Jacob.
  • - Joseph. (born of the virgin Mary, Mary relatives include Elizabeth, (according to tradition a cousin), & (possibly Salome was according to tradition a sister, tradition also says the a woman named Anna has the mother of Elizabeth).--Standforder (talk) 06:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • - Jesus. [Siblings: James, & Jude.]--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 21:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Claim to a throne?[edit]

If the oral traditions are true being a descandant of King Jehoiachin, would bar him from the Judean throne.--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC) --Standforder (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

King Jehoiachin (Jeremiah 22:30 NW): “Write down this man as childless, as an able-bodied man who will not have any success in his days; for from his offspring not a single one will have any success, sitting upon the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah.”--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- "Write down this man as childless" in the sense that he was without successor in that he did not have any of his offspring rule as king on the throne of David in Judah. - "as an able-bodied man who will not have any success in his days (In Judea); for from his offspring not a single one will have any success sitting upon the throne of David (to the Judean throne) and ruling any more in Judah" bracklets mine.--24.57.60.200 (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2008 (UTC)--Standforder (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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