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March 13, 2021Good article nomineeListed
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 25, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Kanye West's inspiration for "Welcome to Heartbreak" was Dave Sirulnick showing him pictures of his children?
Current status: Good article

Untitled[edit]

Kanye West is the leading rapper on the Chicago scene.

Music video[edit]

Actually the music video doesn't seem like a "low-resolution, artifact-heavy" encode of the video. Rather, it appears as though they strategically removed I-frames from the video, leaving primarily P- or B-frames which can be thought of as frames that contain the difference between successive frames (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_compression_picture_types for more details). At least that's my best guess. An interesting effect, but not entirely novel 208.72.137.116 (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Improve to good article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 08:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Note: I nominated this article back when I did not know the expansion level had to be five times larger; however, I have made it a GAN and I am expecting a review shortly so I will change the expanded text to reading improved to GA status instead, plus for whoever reviews this I presume you can have it on hold for that long. --K. Peake 09:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC) Even though I initially nominated this article before I knew that expansion had to be 5x, it has since passed as a GA so I already know it at least meets the new enough requirement. --K. Peake 18:47, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • checkY Article is long enough 15125 characters), is now a GA (since 13 March, so is eligible for DYK as a new GA), and article is within policy
  • checkY Hooks are short enough, interesting, in the article, and well cited.
  • checkY QPQ done
  • Overall, this nomination passes, congratulations. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Kncny11 (talk · contribs) 18:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Hey there! I'll be taking a look at this GAN. Any section marked with a  Working tag means I haven't finished combing through it, but feel free to start making changes as soon as you see them! Kncny11 (shoot) 18:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lede[edit]

  • "complementary" → "complimentary"
  • "West and Kid Cudi first performed the song live"

Background and development[edit]

  • "he was told by him" is a bit confusing
  •  Done I used "the rapper" because "Cudi" would've been too repetitive --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kid Cudi has been believed to have directly influenced the album's creation by who?
  • Does not directly say who, so I just added "often" if this is ok? --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comma after "and have a family"
  • "but has not done so up to this point because of numerous reasons in his life" → "but numerous reasons in his life have kept him from doing so"
  • Italics around OTHERtone per MOS:ITALICTITLE (a podcast qualifies as a major work, see My Favorite Murder and Reply All (podcast)
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrics[edit]

Release and reception[edit]

  • "that despite the song's music video being released on February 18, 2009," → "that, despite a music video being released for the song on February 18,"
  •  Partly done I kept the release year because the previous one mentioned was 2008, so it would be confusing otherwise --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was thankful of Kid Cudi's "anxious cooing" on the song for serving as "a perfect counter"" → "was thankful for Kid Cudi's "anxious cooing" on the song, which served as "a perfect counter""
  •  Partly done I used "serves" instead for the correct tense --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • capitalize Auto-Tune when not a direct quote, for consistency with previous section
  • Are you sure about this, as I picked up changing the capitalisation after the first mention from 808s & Heartbreak? --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it became "has horribly ubiquitous"" → "it has become "horribly ubiquitous""
  •  Done don't know how I made this silly mistake --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music video[edit]

  • Split the second sentence into two to avoid having multiple "and" clauses
  • "Simultaneously with the release, West revealed through the blog" → "In a blog post accompanying the video, West revealed"
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and that he was 'forced'"
  •  Done but remove "that" from earlier in the sentence to avoid overusage --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "West was referring to the technique employed within American synth-pop band Chairlift's Ray Tintori–directed visual for "Evident Utensil";" → "West was referring to the video for American synth-pop band Chairlift's "Evident Utensil", directed by Ray Tintori."
  • "Nabil dubbed it as "data moshing" in an MTV news interview on February 18, 2009. He further pointed out..." → "In an MTV News interview on February 18, 2009, Nabil dubbed the technique "data moshing", and cited Takeshi Murata as the most notable artist to use the technique"
  • "While explaining it was used by him" → "While explaining that he used data moshing"
  • "more of a strategic way" than what?
  • "Nabil said because of differing parts" → "Nabil said that, due to differing parts"
  • "it was of his desire"
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • going on to state he was assured the song required a music video. Not sure what this means.
  • Reworded, how's this look? --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "reinstated" → "restated"
  • "the creation [of the video?] in New York"
  • "The music video utilizes the data moshing technique for pixelating that is applied to West" → "The music video applies the data moshing technique of pixelation to West"
  • Data moshing is used with and without a hyphen across this section. No preference for either, just consistency.
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mysterious ] bracket in the Stereogum quote
  •  Done, must have accidentally added that when using [] for paraphrasing at the start of the quote --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances[edit]

  • The latter of the two's appearance was met with applause before he began to perform, while West introduced him. Setup is a bit confusing, mostly for the "latter of the two" phrasing, which is implied if West is the one introducing him
  • Specify that Baller Status is a publication and not, say, an award
  • I feel as if an introduction to the publication would lack focus, so I just changed to "writing for" if that's acceptable? --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "him and Kid Cudi" → "he and Kid Cudi"
  • If the album is being played in its entirely, it is implied that the setlist will follow the album's tracklist
  • "During the first concert that they were billed as Kids See Ghosts" → "In their first concert under the Kids See Ghosts name"
  •  Done for the above --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "While it stood as the ninth track of their set, the song was the second track the duo performed that was not a Kids See Ghosts release." → "The ninth track of their set, the song followed set opener "Father Stretch My Hands, Pt. 1" as the second track that was not a Kids See Ghosts release."
  •  Not done because it lacks focus to mention that song by name, plus it reads weirdly saying it followed it despite being seven places later --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel[edit]

Charts[edit]

  • Looks good!

Certifications[edit]

  • Looks good!

Notes and references[edit]

  • Mark the Washington Post citation with "|url-access=limited"
  • Mark the Vulture citation with "|url-access=limited"
  • Mark the Rolling Stone citations with "|url-access=subscription"
  • Mark the New York Times citation with "|url-access=limited"

Other comments[edit]

  • Edit history mostly stable, one edit war on 28 February that appears to have petered out
  • Copyvio score looks good at 29.6%, with the red-marked section being a direct quote
  • All AV media is relevant and labeled correctly.

Final comments and verdict[edit]

Strong first showing! Just needs some cleanup for confusing sentences. I'll put the article  On hold for now, and feel free to ping me if you have any questions! Kncny11 (shoot) 19:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kncny11 Thank you for the review, I have fixed the majority of the changes and left a few questions for you above! --K. Peake 20:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kyle Peake Everything looks good now! The questions you left about wording all check out, and I think that this is ready to promote! Kncny11 (shoot) 17:46, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kncny11 Very good to know that I have achieved a pass with this article; however, you forgot to check the first three criterion off in the progress box. --K. Peake 17:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kyle Peake Whoops, that's the ADHD! All fixed :) Kncny11 (shoot) 17:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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