Talk:Union of Utrecht (Old Catholic)
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Communion under both species[edit]
Removed the claim that the Union of Utrecht differs from the Roman Catholic Church in "the practice of Holy Communion under both species of bread and wine"; this is the common practice also in the RCC after the 2nd Vatican Council. --99.249.11.127 (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- It's hardly universal, though. In 17 years as a Roman Catholic, I received communion from the cup only during the Sacred Triduum. The conditions are set by the episcopal conference, some (the United States) more liberal than others (Canada). Carolynparrishfan (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- When I've visited Roman Catholic churches in the U.S. there has always only been the wafer offered to the congregation. Granted, this amounts to maybe only 3 or 4 times in the 1980s and '90s, but still it was consistently the case in churches in Texas, Connecticut, and New York. —Angr 21:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- In the Roman Catholic Church, the Eucharist is commonly offered to the congregation in both bread and wine. Some churches usually offer both only during special feast days but others offer it daily, I am not an expert but it appears to be at the discretion of the celebrant. I go to daily Mass but not always at the same church. There are three Roman Catholic Churches I choose from when deciding which one to attend for that particular daily Mass (usually dicated by what personal or business errands I need to run - one church is very near to my drycleaner). Two of these churches always offers both bread and wine, another only offers wine on special feast days. NancyHeise talk 03:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- I think this is enough evidence to warrant the removal of the claim. There are enough other differences between Old Catholic and Roman Catholic Churches without getting into this muddle. —Angr 07:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- I asked a priest at our church who is also a university professor, he said it is at the pastor's discretion whether or not to offer the Eucharist under "both species". NancyHeise talk 18:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- Within the rules set by the episcopal conference, yes. As I said, in Canada communion under both species is rare (to say the least) at Sunday celebrations. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- I asked a priest at our church who is also a university professor, he said it is at the pastor's discretion whether or not to offer the Eucharist under "both species". NancyHeise talk 18:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- I think this is enough evidence to warrant the removal of the claim. There are enough other differences between Old Catholic and Roman Catholic Churches without getting into this muddle. —Angr 07:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- In the Roman Catholic Church, the Eucharist is commonly offered to the congregation in both bread and wine. Some churches usually offer both only during special feast days but others offer it daily, I am not an expert but it appears to be at the discretion of the celebrant. I go to daily Mass but not always at the same church. There are three Roman Catholic Churches I choose from when deciding which one to attend for that particular daily Mass (usually dicated by what personal or business errands I need to run - one church is very near to my drycleaner). Two of these churches always offers both bread and wine, another only offers wine on special feast days. NancyHeise talk 03:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- When I've visited Roman Catholic churches in the U.S. there has always only been the wafer offered to the congregation. Granted, this amounts to maybe only 3 or 4 times in the 1980s and '90s, but still it was consistently the case in churches in Texas, Connecticut, and New York. —Angr 21:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Personal Ordinariate[edit]
Apart from the Traditional Anglican Communion, the article should really consider verifying whether groups within the Union of Utrecht (Old Catholic) have ever sought a similar canonical structure to the proposed personal ordinariates. ADM (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- It seems unlikely. Old Catholics are in full communion with Anglicans, but they are not Anglicans, and any Old Catholics who grow disaffected with the Old Catholic Church are likely to simply convert (back) to Roman Catholicism rather than set up new canonical structures. It's also worth mentioning that (among the German Old Catholics I have met, at any rate) a very large proportion, perhaps even the majority, of currently practicing Old Catholics are not people who were baptized as infants into the Old Catholic Church by parents who themselves had been baptized as infants into the Old Catholic Church, but rather people who had been baptized as Roman Catholics and then later became disaffected with the Roman Catholic Church as adults and converted to Old Catholicism. Such people are of course very unlikely to seek closer ties with Rome. +Angr 07:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Philippine Independent Church[edit]
This article states "The Union of Utrecht is in full communion ... with the Philippine Independent Church." The article on the Philippine Independent Church says "The Aglipayan Church is not a member of the Utrecht Union." Which is it? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Deum de deo[edit]
The claim that the Old Catholics do not use the clause "deum de deo" from the Nicene Creed has been on this article for almost a decade, unsourced. Can someone either find a source or remove the claim? 172.223.136.139 (talk) 17:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)