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Settlements illegal under international law[edit]

International Law violates sovereignty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:30A2:28C0:81DD:587:99C2:497B (talk) 06:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC) The cited source[1] states the following[reply]

It is widely accepted that under international law, the Jewish settlements in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 are illegal

Within the international community the overwhelming view is that Article 49 is applicable to the occupation of the West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights

Almost the entire international community, including allies of Israel, have referred to the situation in these territories as occupation. The position that the 4th Geneva Convention does apply to the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights is supported by the International Committee of the Red Cross, UN bodies, and the International Court of Justice

A claim that this is only the opinion of "some" or even "many" clearly misrepresents the source. Furthermore, it is completely unsourced, original research and WP:FRINGE. Treating the international consensus as just the opinion of "some" or "many" is like treating the consensus on climate change as just one of many opinions, and no more important than the opinions of climate change deniers. --Tataral (talk) 04:14, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source 10 refers to July, 2020, even though the current date is June 18, 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:ED0:5277:8800:254B:BEF6:DE5A:C73A (talk) 07:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

fixed. Zero^talk 08:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sign Restored[edit]

As of July 31st, the sign has been restored and letters are present. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dantai Amakiir (talk • contribs) 00:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can mention that in the article but only if there is a source. Do you have one? Zero^talk 07:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was there and took a picture. That's the best I can offer. Dantai Amakiir (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article be titled Ramat Trump?[edit]

Should this article be titled Ramat Trump? I'm a bit conflicted. On the one hand, it seems to be definitely Ramat Trump in the Hebrew-language press. The article on Tel Aviv isn't titled Spring Hill. On the other hand, the English language press seems to use the name Trump Heights. And the English name does appear on that bizarre sign. -- M.boli (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Situation as of 2023[edit]

The Hebrew article states: "As of 2023, about 24 families are living in Trump Heights in mobile homes as a temporary solution until the approval for the establishment of permanent homes is received." Could that be included in the English article? -Menischt (talk) 10:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting! That was inserted into the lede in 2022, at the same time as a short paragraph in the body of the article mentioning the mixed religious-secular nature of the community. The reference is a 2022 article in Israel Hayom, ref number 11 in the Hebrew article: Three Years to Establish Trump Heights, the founding families prove that anything is possible. (Headline from Google Translate). The take-away points seem to be that the government is recruiting religious and secular families who agree to cooperate in a mixed community, and it is a small number of people in temporary housing. Much of the article consists of interviewing residents about their experiences and feelings.

(קרווילות is the word you translated as mobile homes. I can't find it in a dictionary, but it indeed appears in the Hebrew wikipedia article on mobile homes.)

I think Israel Hayom didn't publish an English version of the article, and I found nothing similar in English-language press. I'd say we could put in that they are recruiting people for a tolerant mixed secular and religious community, putting people in temporary housing, and as of 2022 there were about 23 families. The number 24 and year 2023 are from a recent unreferenced edit. We would use the 2022 Israel Hayom article. Maybe a better search could find more or more recent references. What do people think? -- M.boli (talk) 14:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you put קרווילות into images.google.com you will get lots of pictures of prefabricated dwellings. Zero^talk 14:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My knowledge of Hebrew is limited, but as far as I understand it קרווילה (Caravilla, singular) is a specific manufacturer of mobile homes or trailers that serve as houses and that consist of prefabricated dwelling units that that can be trucked to the location where they will be used. It is possible that the manufacturer's name became the name of the product in general, just as "Jacuzzi" for "whirlpool" in English. Since English is not my mother tongue, others should decide what the right word is for these prefabricated dwelling units. Here the manufacturer's homepage, that explains what a קרווילה is: https://www.ofarim-ltd.co.il/%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%94 Translate.google.com provides an English translation that is quite readable. —Menischt (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]