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English name?[edit]

The English name on this article is 'Jewish Strength'. However, most English language outlets seem to refer to the party as 'Jewish Power'.

Which name is more appropriate for this article? --Jay942942 (talk) 11:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with "Jewish Power", I am not a native Hebrew speaker, but strength is a different word and yours and this other Times Of Israel article confirms it as well https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-home-reaches-unity-pact-with-extremist-otzma-yehudit/ Shushugah (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a native Hebrew speaker, the term "Jewish Power" is much more acurate. Otzma in the context of the name means "Power" related to other minorities, or more power to the Jewish majority in Israel. The similarity or hint to other racist ideologies is also acurate, as Otzma Yehudit repeatedly uses racist rethorics- for example, the party leader Itamar Ben-Gvir, called the mother of Eyad al-Hallaq- the autistic man who was shot by Israeli police a "terrorist" during a protest outside the court during the officer's trial. Josephus41198 (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We should go by what sources call it, but, Otzma LeYisrael is not the same thing as Otzma Yehudit in terms of what sources translate it as. The same word can have multiple meanings in different contexts. Edit: The party also seems to translate it themselves as Jewish Strength. ShimonChai (talk) 21:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The translation "Jewish Power" (properly) evokes similarly racist ideologies (e.g. "white power", "black power"). However, papers with Israeli origin seem to tend towards "Jewish Strength"^[1]^[2] or "Jewish Might"^[3]^[4] -- Avisnacks (talk) 11:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the first three of those sites use Jewish Power repeatedly. Zero^talk 12:33, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More conclusive than a random sampling of news sources is the scholarly summation to date, and here we have 38 hits for 'Jewish power' to about 5 for strength and just 1 for might. Pretty clear cut. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We should look at the party's own English description: https://ozma-yeudit.com/the-platform-of-otzma-yehudit-jewish-strength/ which is indeed Jewish Strength, not power. 207.102.20.93 (talk) 20:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ultranationalism[edit]

User:Alon Alush the sources for "Ultranationalism" should be on the same line, not a line below. Bakbik1234 (talk) 04:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bakbik1234 Oh, don't worry about that, I'll fix it later, and source it to a very good book I found. Alon Alush (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it Alon Alush (talk) 09:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saying the same thing twice[edit]

Hey @David O. Johnson:. Apologies if there is a misunderstanding here: but why was this reverted?

Kahanism is inherently a part of the far-right by its very nature. Putting far-right before it is like saying that someone is a "far-right white supremacist". KlayCax (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KlayCax I think that was more there for people that aren’t aware of Kahanism Alexanderkowal (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have wikilinks for a reason. KlayCax (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-Kahanism[edit]

Here are some sources that describe the party as "neo-Kahanist" (the current sources don't describe the party as such): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Bakbik1234 (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Far-right Otzma Yehudit Party to run in next election".

[2] "Top Jjewish Members of Congress Condemn Netanyahu's Deal with Far-right Party".

[3] "Extremist Otzma Yehudit announces unity pact with Jewish Home".

[4] "Israel's Centrist Parties Merge to Take On Netanyahu".

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