Talk:Malik Obama

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Notability[edit]

The Basic Criteria of WP:BIO says:

A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]

Here is your secondary source material:

ABONGO (ROY) OBAMA: 'Certainly the older brother'

September 9, 2007

BY SCOTT FORNEK Political Editor

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545461,BSX-News-wotreex09.stng

Most people would consider the Chicago Sun-Times to be "reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject."

I'd say this citation (along with association to the exteremely notable Obama family) is more than sufficient to establish notability. Also, he's getting smeared (or subject to speculation, depending on your point of view) in the right-wing press/blogosphere as being a radical muslim militant, trained in the Soviet Union, etc. I personally highly doubt that any of these charges will hold merit, but whatever you may think of them, they make for controversy &ndash and sooner or later this guy's going to be "notable for being notable" (which you may not like, but that you can't deny he's become a subject of widespread interest.) Yellow Rain (talk) 03:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His notability is only due to his association with a notable subject. However, he has no inherent notability and, as is frequently mentioned in discussions of this type, notability is not inherited. Barack Obama's coffee mug is also, mentioned several biographies of him, but that doesn't mean we need to create an article called Coffee mug of Barack Obama. To your point, if he really is becoming the subject of "widespread interest" and you can come up with some (non-blog) reliable sources to demonstrate as much, then a case could be made for keeping this article. --Loonymonkey (talk) 03:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further, this is merely a short blurb that is part of a family tree piece about Barack - not an article about Abongo. Tvoz/talk 17:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where to help with this article[edit]

Please help save this important article by commenting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Abongo_Obama

--Utahredrock (talk) 01:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose you could have said that in a more neutral manner, like, "please comment at the article deletion discussion" rather than "please help save this important article"? Do you see the difference? Tvoz/talk 03:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is an article talk page, not the body of an article proper. Do you see the difference (as to the need to be "neutral", whatever that means)? Yellow Rain (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section is rather close to canvassing, don't you think? How would you have reacted if, say, I had posted a section that read "Where to help get this article deleted" with text that read "please help have this unimportant article removed"? Yes, this is a talk page, and I haven't taken this further, but I think the section is in conflict with basic Wikipedia policies and guidelines and was not proper. And if you're having trouble understanding what "neutral" means, a good place to start is to read WP:NEUTRAL which makes it quite clear. Tvoz/talk 05:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of radical affiliations[edit]

My personal is that these are bunk, having looked far and wide for anything resembling a verifiable reference. The reason I included those two references (IBD, Toronto Sun), and am re-including them now, is to show how species these allegations are (from what is known at present.) Their inclusion was by no means a personal attack in the sense of WB:BLP. Yellow Rain (talk) 21:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we don't add things to show how they are wrong. Tvoz/talk 05:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ABC News: Roy Obama (of "Dreams of My Father")/ Malik Obama identical[edit]

See here. This should be reflected in the name of this WP article.

In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender[...].----JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT

— Justmeherenow ( ) 01:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, John Oywa reported in 2004 in the Nation (Nairobi) ("Kenya: Special Report: Sleepy Little Village Where Obama Traces His Own Roots" that Malik Obama's wife was Fauziah Anyango. — Justmeherenow ( ) 03:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US Citizenship (Dual)[edit]

In the article it's mentioned that he has dual citizenship. Two articles are used as a reference, but one article is no longer at the original URL and the second article mentions it without providing any proof or reference. Considering that both his parents are Kenyan and he spent and spends most of his life in Kenya, does anybody have any idea when or how this happened, or if there is a better reference for it? I don't see anything suggesting he spent an extended amount of time in the US apart from occasionally visiting, and I don't believe his father had dual citizenship before he was born. (I don't see anything about dual citizenship on his father's page at all, although he certainly spent a lot of time in the US after he was born, so I could easily believe his father eventually got US citizenship maybe, but that wouldn't apply to Malik if it was later.) Centerone (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He lived in USA for years, according to: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13329784/obama-brother-trump-debate

Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 09:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that article is kind of crazy and it basically says he does and says all this bonkers stuff that is all back and forth. It seems like not much of it is in this article, and I think I'd like to see more verifiable references, it's so odd! Centerone (talk) 04:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Centerone, when he ran for office in Kenya they ridiculed him for not living there except for five years. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]