Talk:List of Welsh mathematicians

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Hogben, Davies and Bryan[edit]

Magnolia677 - regarding your [deletion of three Welsh mathematicians] (Hogben and Davies weren't matheaticians (sic); Bryan was born in Cambridge).

  1. the meaning of 'hail' is not consistent with the title. To 'hail' is to come from somewhere. The title does not say List of Welsh mathematicians which hail from Wales. The word 'Welsh' is a description of their nationality. No other similar list uses 'hail', which is rather an archaic word. Similar lists on Wikipedia expands the nationality to include those who were born in other countries but later became Brazilians (Brazilian mathematicians) or Ukrainian mathematicians which says, this list includes some Polish, pre-revolutionary Russian and Soviet mathematicians who lived or worked in Ukraine. I've thefore amended the wording to be in line with the title. If your definition of nationality is that the person needs to be born in that country, then please change the article on Henry V of England to say that he was a Welsh king.
  2. Hogben, Davies and Bryan were Welsh mathematicians according to Cyfri'n Cewri: The History of Mathematical Giants by Prof. Gareth Ffowc Roberts (University of Wales Press; 2020) which will be available in English in around 6 months. And if you look at the articles on these two you would see that Hogben was awarded the Neill Prize, and a gold medal, for his work in mathematical genetics. Hogben's book Mathematics for the Million received widespread praise, with H. G. Wells saying that "Mathematics for the Million is a great book, a book of first-class importance". Griffith Davies was a noted actuary; actuarial science is the discipline that applies mathematical and statistical methods to assess risk in insurance. He is also described as a 'mathematician' in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography; see here. Cell Danwydd (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Cell Danwydd: Your edit has been challenged. If you add these names back please include a source supporting that these people hail from Wales, and are mathematicians. You may also want to add the actuary to List of actuaries. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the challenge, you may understand my explanation too, as you have added my three mathematicians. Thanks for the table, it looks good, as it now contains references. You will see from above that I have given references to reliable sources, and all quotes come from Wikipedia articles on these 3. Regarding your 'hail' insistence please see my above comment. Cell Danwydd (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was me who added the table not Magnolia677. I included the additional three only because they were in the version of the article at the time of conversion. If any of these are in dispute they can be discussed separately on their merits. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can I ask what does it mean to be Welsh, because there is no such thing as Welsh nationality (you don't have a Welsh passport). You can be born in Wales, you can live in Wales, or you can just identify as being "Welsh". — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cell Danwydd: regarding your question on references, columns 1-5 are taken from Wikidata, so references added to Wikidata should appear in the table. Column 6 is entirely defined on Wikipedia, so the references need to be added here. Hope that makes sense! By the way, we can add more columns or rearrange them as required. Just let me know. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:14, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additions?[edit]

The following are tagged with being Welsh mathematicians but are not yet appearing in the list.

Do any of them merit inclusion? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:53, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, this is the query I used to generate this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wonderful! I've added Mary, and striked her name. I hope this is acceptable? Cell Danwydd (talk) 22:14, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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