Talk:John Williams (snooker referee)

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Good topic starJohn Williams (snooker referee) is part of the 1985 World Snooker Championship final series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
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October 5, 2020Good article nomineeListed
October 20, 2020Good topic candidatePromoted
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Those searches are useless, being for the exact phrases. Try Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL, i.e. the exact name with the words "snooker" and "referee" appearing separately. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Going to review this for the GAN October 2020 Backlog Drive. MWright96 (talk) 05:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Lead[edit]

  • An infobox in the lede might help things here
    • Maybe, but I don't think they are mandatory. I'm not really sure which one to use, so I didn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Fair enough. It is only a suggestion. 07:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "he took charge of the events quickly and organised the events for many years." - this sentence could be reworded to avoid repetition of the word "events"
  • "and lead to more television coverage." - and resulted in
  • "but has made sporadic appearances " - made

Early life[edit]

  • Perhaps add where Rubaon is in Wales?
  • I think the second and third sentences in this section can be merged together
  • "His grandfather had been British Bar billiards champion" - I don't think "Bar billiards" needs to begin with a capital letter
  • Any information on the occupation of his first wife?
  • I don't think divorce should be wikilinked

Referee career[edit]

  • "during the mid 1960s" - a hyphen is missing in the text in bold
  • "Williams started refereeing snooker matches during the mid 1960s, leaving the civil service in 1981 to become a full-time referee." - much of his information is not backed up by the BBC Sport reference. An extra source is needed to verify this information
  • The first mention of the word table should be linked to Billiards table
  • "which was covered in a tarpauline" - typo; should be tarpaulin
    • If you hadn't guessed, I can't spell. Mine still looks more right to me! done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This led to news picturing Williams" - led to the press might be an improvement here
  • "finals of any referee,[6][5]" - refs in numerical order please
  • Wikilink black to the relevant article
  • "In total, Williams took officiated 11 World finals," - the word in bold isn't needed
  • "The last world championship final he refereed was in 2002, when Peter Ebdon beat Stephen Hendry in a deciding frame." - The Irish Times does not contain any of this information, only the Sky Sports source attached to it
  • "In 1983, Williams was awarded a two-year suspended prison sentence," - I think received is a more appropriate word for this portion of text
  • "after pleading guilty to selling snooker tables worth £6,500 that did not exist." - more concise; selling non-existant snooker tables worth £6,500.
  • Is there any information about the end result of Williams suing the WPBSA for wrongful dismissal?
    • I didn't see much. I don't think that it ever went as far as the courts. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They refereed the final of 17 of the first 20 World Championship finals held at the Crucible." - the word in bold should be changed to Crucible Theatre for formality
  • Wikilink Sydney Lee to the relevant article
  • "he became the referee in snooker television show" - of the
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink 2012 tournament to 2012 World Seniors Championship

References[edit]

  • Be consistent in how World Snooker is written in the references. For example one reference is written as worldsnooker.com whereas another is written as World Snooker
  • References 4, 11 are missing the author(s)
  • Reference 8 is missing the publisher and isbn number
    • I believe it's a self published source, so has neither. Chris Downer has been considered a reliable source for some time, but happy to open something formal on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The title of Reference 11 does not need to be all in capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
  • Reference 15 title: "In brief {} Snooker" - this error needs fixing

Will put the review on hold to allow the nominator to address or query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 06:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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