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Thru the Moebius strip movie[edit]

Hi, why this article lack or never discusses the movie jean was making with a Chinese production company. it was a 3D animated film and it should be mentioned in this article.203.101.169.25 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User's IP address page above is gone. But I think this question above is already answered as the film has been mentioned several times in the main page. Someone can take down this topic. ObiKKa (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exhibition[edit]

The use of the word 'recently' should be avoided, since it gets outdated soon... I'm replacing it with the exact dates in the article. Ninja neko 14:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Film work[edit]

I'm moving this 

Giraud also shared "Story by" credit on the animated film Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland.

from 'Biography' to 'Film work' Ninja neko 14:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The image with the caption "A panel from Incal" is not a panel from the Incal-Comic but an single drawing with no relation to that comic. It may have been published in an (American?) edition of the Incal-Comic, but it has nothing to do with that story, exept that it, like hundreds of other drawings Moebius made, features a crystal. I wouldn't know what to write below that drawing, so I didn't correct the mistake.

It does look like an Arzach panel. Anyone know? MURGH disc. 00:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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A FUR was added. MURGH disc. 22:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Major works[edit]

The present Major works section is quite incomplete and skewed towards the English translations. The preferable encyclopaedic approach would be to list the original French titles together with their original publication dates and the English translations (when available) together with the publication dates of the latter. A good starting point is could be this French website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stca74 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there is some overlap: The separate albums Stel & Goddess for example are part of the 'Le Monde d'Edena' series. The listing on Jodorowsky's page is pretty good. Ninja Neko, 9 May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.177.83.221 (talk) 09:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm taking a shot at it now (and for the next hour or so). Mikkel (talk) 14:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added some, but I gotta run now. Mikkel (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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FUR added. MURGH disc. 23:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B-class assessment[edit]

The obvious place it fails is the lack of a photograph and I have added in the reminder/placeholder. It needs a couple more for certain statement but the biography feels a little thin - it does the job but feels like it could do with a lot more depth and because it is so thin things like this "In 1988 Moebius worked on the American comic character The Silver Surfer with Stan Lee for a special two-part limited series. Moebius' take on the character was unfavourably alluded to in the film Crimson Tide by Lt. Commander Ron Hunter (played by Denzel Washington) in deference to that of Silver Surfer co-creator Jack Kirby (in a scene written by an uncredited Quentin Tarantino)." stick out like a sore thumb. It might fade into the background in a longer article but looks out of place here and might be better in the Silver Surfer article (although I suspect an editor might remove it as unsourced trivia). I suspect the biography is enough to tick the box as it lays out what he did in chronological order but doesn't feel properly fleshed out (I've ticked the box on other biographies that are also functionally fine but need a little something extra). So find a photo and add a few more sources in and it should be good for a B but the biography will need a lot more work to go higher. (Emperor (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Style[edit]

The article badly needs a section on what is special about this particular artist. A CV isn't sufficient espec. to those who don't what a "jean giraud" is. In French and esp. German wikis there's a corresponding section called "style". Is there anyone to know the language well enough to translate? 79.216.243.82 (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have created the section "Style" and translated from French and added some elements. However, I do not know a lot about the works of Moebius, the section must be completed. --Pah777 (talk) 22:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Films?[edit]

Under his works is a large section called 'Films', but it doesn't say anything about what Giraud actually did on any of those films. As it stands, the section doesn't do the reader much good. 168.158.220.3 (talk) 13:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(User's IP address page above is gone) - I think this is done. :)

ObiKKa (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary[edit]

Maybe there should be a section about books and films about Moebius, such as that German documentary from the last decade. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Wakuran If you meant the 2007 documentary, Moebius Redux: A Life in Pictures, then yes, it's right there in the Documentaries list near bottom of main page and probably has been for a long time. You can maybe remove this topic?
ObiKKa (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Creator of Blueberry[edit]

I have looked at close to 10 different sources about jean Giraud, all of which describe him as the creator of Blueberry. The article on Blueberry (comics) mentions that Jijé was first asked by Charlier to illustrate his Fort Navajo, but Jije declined and suggested Giraud instead. Please don't change the article to say that Jijé created Blueberry without first providing a source that it better than all of the sources that says that Giraud did.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I second this argument by Maunus: Giraud created Blueberry along with the name. The sources cited on this point are solid. --Jumbolino (talk) 17:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(Well, actually I think that, being the author Charlier created the name)·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, it was Giraud who gave his and Charlier's creation the name "Blueberry" - it's all clearly written down in black and white in his autobiography, Histoire de mon double, published in 1999. --Jumbolino (talk) 07:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Great!·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Lang / Frédéric Mitterrand mentions[edit]

I have twice removed mentions of Giraud being "esteemed" by these politicians. This is a bit of a cultural misunderstanding: it is part of the French culture minister's job to release a nice soundbite/obituary every time someone in the arts dies. (Jack Lang stopped being culture minister some years ago but appears not to have noticed and often acts as a "shadow culture minister" .) This is generally written by a researcher and does not suggest any personal connection or interest. It is certainly not worthy of a mention next to the major artists that Giraud influenced. Mezigue (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK. This is a good argument when linked to ambiguities with the word "esteem" and the artists listed. Lang and Mitterand can be mentioned under distinctions and awards in the body of the article.--Jumbolino (talk) 14:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a mention of Mitterrand's tribute in the "Influence and Legacy" section. Perhaps you can add any other tribute there. Mezigue (talk) 14:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Tense in Introduction[edit]

I believe that the present tense might be preferable in the introduction considering Jean Giraud is, indeed, still living. TomRicholds (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is odd given the extensive reports of his demise in March 2012.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Top Importance[edit]

There's a discussion on which comic-related articles should be listed as "Top Importance" on the importance scale, and I feel this article should not be included. If any user disagrees or wishes to contribute, please do so there. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed a small error[edit]

In the first paragraph: Early life. In the sentence: "In 1955 at age 16, he began his only technical training at the Arts Appliqués art school, where he started producing Western comics." the mentioned school is not the right one. He was in fact a student at the Duperré school. There are 4 Arts Appliqués public art schools in Paris (L'école Boulle, l'école Estienne, l'école Duperré, et l'école Olivier-de-Serres), with same statut & equally famous, I suppose the mistake came from here.

You can see on the the french version of the page that the link go to l'école supérieur des arts appliqués Duperré. or english version of the page

I didn't directly edit the page because it's my first post here, I have no source beside the french wikipedia page (and the fact that I also was a student at the Duperré school), I'm not fluent enough in english language, and I don't want to brake the article with bad wiki edit. But if someone could do it... Thanks. ChinaskiHenri (talk) 03:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Too many non-free images?[edit]

I see numerous comic and novel covers being used to help readers contextualize this person's artistic skills and expressions. However, I think there are too many non-free images here, so I wonder whether they are necessary. George Ho (talk) 19:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Animated inspirations?[edit]

Can I add a large list of the animated films and tv shows that have semi to heavy influences/inspirations taken from the various Moebius artwork and ideas? There were many tv shows like that in the 1970's/1980's.

But I think the inspirations lists including these animations and the video games could be moved into a separate linked page for further expansion. What do you think?

ObiKKa (Aug 31, 2023) ObiKKa (talk) 13:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can't search for the similar Jean Giraud wiki style page in the Fandom website's main search results.
But I typed in 'comics', and then looked to the second results page and selected 'Ultimate Pop Culture Wiki'.
There, I could find the Jean Giraud page under its own search results. It was hard to find it otherwise in general search engine results.
I can therefore add my animated inspirations there. The info won't be lost. But I suggest from my first question above that there be a separate linked wiki page for all works greatly inspired by or reminiscent of Giraud's works. ObiKKa (talk) 09:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Length[edit]

Obviously a very important artist, but a few sections seem overly wordy for an encyclopaedic article. At least the Bibliography should be moved to a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Messlo (talk • contribs) 00:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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