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Review: July 23, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Ian Heslop appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that butterfly collector Ian Heslop was once required to supervise an execution?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 09:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking it on! UndercoverClassicist (talk) 09:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking in: are you still OK to do this one? UndercoverClassicist (talk) 11:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should have pinged: User:Sturmvogel 66 UndercoverClassicist (talk) 11:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just tied up right now. Expect a review after the weekend.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - no rush, so please do take your time until it's convenient. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images appropriately licensed or have a NFU template
universities of Oxford and Cambridge Capitalize universities
Link the colony of Nigeria in the lede, colonial service, district commissioner
Nicely done--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I disagree on the capitalisation of "university" here: we would capitalise if we were using it as part of a title (e.g. "he studied at the University of Oxford", but here it's simply a common noun (so "Heslop studied at Corpus Christi College", but "the college cats of Corpus Christi and Trinity"). Capitalising would imply that there's an entity called "The Universities of Oxford and Cambridge", which there isn't: writers of Heslop's time did write about "The Universities", usually meaning Oxbridge, but that's very archaic now.

Linked Colonial Service and district commissioner, but MOS:OVERLINK advises against linking major examples of places and countries, of which I think Nigeria is one. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 15:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Wikipedians grossly overestimate the geographic literacy of the average reader, especially Americans.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 09:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you're right, but the MOS as it currently stands is pretty clear on this one. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 08:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the "Purple Emperor" collected butterflies with a "setacious Hebrew character"? Source: Robinson, Phillip T.; Flacke, Gabriella L.; Hentschel, Knut M. (2017). The Pygmy Hippo Story: West Africa's Enigma of the Rainforest. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-061185-9 (p59-60); Oates, Matthew (2005). "Extreme Butterfly Collecting: A Biography of I. R. P. Heslop". British Wildlife. 34 (4), p165
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Poniatowski gem
- Comment: Slightly teasing: names refer to the butterfly-related nicknames that Heslop and his companion, Charles de Worms, acquired among other collectors.

Improved to Good Article status by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Self-nominated at 10:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ian Heslop; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - no

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @UndercoverClassicist: Good article, but I don't really like the hook and would prefer something else. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some possible alts:

ALT1: ... that Ian Heslop discovered the Nigerian subspecies of the pygmy hippopotamus 1,000 miles from the nearest known population of the species? (source: Robinson, Flacke & Hentschel 2017, pp. 60–61)
ALT2: ... that the butterfly collector Ian Heslop was once required to supervise an execution? (source: Robinson, Flacke & Hentschel 2017, p. 64.)
ALT3: ... that Ian Heslop has been accused of "turning the gentle pursuit of butterflies into an extreme country sport"? (source: Oates 2005, p. 165).

UndercoverClassicist (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New hooks look good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oates[edit]

Who is Oates? I know that it refers to a citation, but we need something in the text to explain why we're quoting them specifically. Are they a historian? Biologist? Journalist? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 14:07, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oates is introduced in the lead as Heslop's biographer. He's a natural historian (specifically of butterflies) by trade, but the main source for which he's being cited here is an article-length biography of Heslop. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, apologies UndercoverClassicist. I hadn't read the lead and didn't think to check there before posting! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]