Talk:Hey Mama (Kanye West song)

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 9, 2019	Articles for deletion	Merged
November 25, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
September 21, 2022	Good topic candidate	Promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 14, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Kanye West recorded "Hey Mama" five years before its release on his 2005 album Late Registration?
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Untitled[edit]

The information for this entry states that the sample for Hey Mama is Today Won't Come Again by the Kay-Gees. The Kay-Gees do not have a song by that name. Instead, the song title is Today Won't Come Again but it is by Donal Leace. A comparison of the two songs can be found at http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/309/Kanye%20West-Hey%20Mama_Donal%20Leace-Today%20Won%27t%20Come%20Again/. WayTooTall (talk) 18:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hey Mama (Kanye West song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FormalDude (talk · contribs) 07:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kyle Peake, happy to be reviewing this GA nomination. I'll provide updates here periodically as I review the article. ––FormalDude ^talk 07:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will post my recommendations as to what is needed to bring the article up to standard for each section below.

FormalDude Thanks for the review, I have addressed everything... is it time to place this on hold or pass? --K. Peake 21:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

Remove comma from first sentence.

Not done this is the correct way for introduction of an album that a song is on --K. Peake 16:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove "who got in contact through Rick Rubin" as undue.

Done

Background[edit]

Move the last sentence of the first paragraph to the beginning.

Done --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrics[edit]

Change the first appearance of "Donda" to "Donda West" and clarify that it is Kanye's mother.

Not done she is introduced in the previous section and see MOS:SAMESURNAME --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source for "West tries to force rhymes at points" does not verify that claim.

Done added an alternative sentence --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception[edit]

Start new paragraph after sentence two.

Not done what's the point of having a para with nothing but the release date and a one sentence critical overview, which would not be backed up until the following para if I complied with this move? --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move the final paragraph to the beginning.

Not done critical reception before commercial is the way I've done for all my GAs and I see no opposing guideline --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No need for brackets for the "[t]he Brion redux" quote per MOS:QUOTATIONS.

Done --K. Peake 09:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Create subsection "Commercial performance" for the final paragraph.

Done --K. Peake 16:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances[edit]

Consider splitting up into multiple paragraphs.

Done --K. Peake 21:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appearances in media[edit]

No comma for: The video features archival footage, showing the Wests rapping "Hey Mama" together.

Done while rewording so this flows smoother --K. Peake 16:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel[edit]

No changes needed.

Missing sections/content[edit]

Cover versions - The song has been covered by Vitamin String Quartet and others (Rockabye Baby!, The Gold Soul All Stars).

Not done I did look through the Google results for all of these, but none have enough coverage to meet WP:SONGCOVER. --K. Peake 21:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion/marketing - In order to meet criteria 3, broad in its coverage.

Comment: this type of information is already included to a healthy extent with live performances and in parts of appearances in media, so isn't it broad enough despite not all being in the same section? --K. Peake 21:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Kyle Peake: I still think there should probably be a promotion/marketing section that covers when/how the song was first released, first performed, advertising, etc. ––FormalDude ^talk 22:02, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release/promotion should not all be in the same section when there's large amounts of live performances, as well as promo that classifies as media appearances (not all of those are from West himself); it is all organized within appropriate sections and there's no guideline specifically for release and promotion so I don't see any problem. --K. Peake 22:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final Review[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Kanye West recorded "Hey Mama" five years before its release on his 2005 album Late Registration? Source: Producer Kanye West's Debut LP Features Jay-Z, ODB, Mos Def – MTV)
- ALT1: ... that Kanye West recorded "Hey Mama" in 2000 for his 2005 album Late Registration? Source: Producer Kanye West's Debut LP Features Jay-Z, ODB, Mos Def – MTV)
- ALT2: ... that Kanye West intended "Hey Mama" to be included on his 2005 album Late Registration two years before its release? Source: Producer Kanye West's Debut LP Features Jay-Z, ODB, Mos Def – MTV)

Reviewed: Tinsley Island

Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 07:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article passed for GA within the past seven days (November 25, 2021). It is well-written, sourced, no copyvios seen (7.4%).
All the hooks are interesting and cited. The article meets the required length. QPQ done. This is ready to go. Great work! Damian Vo (talk) 08:24, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 to T:DYK/P3