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Untitled[edit]

This is factual information. Although the album has not yet been released and will not be for a while, there is a set release date (October 2006) and the title is final. Therefore this article should be kept as it does not break any Wikipedia rules (i.e., "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball") --Scottf9 00:39, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way this album is coming out in 2006. West said he wants to devote time to being a producer again, and helping out Consequence and GLC with their albums.-- 8 February 2006—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.107.126 (talk) 06:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Release[edit]

The albums release date has been pushed back to December. At the Brit Awards, Kanye West said that Graduation will be released in December. Sorry I can't give a source for this, but I seen it myself on TV. --213.106.129.20 16:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "Released" form is for albums that have released (this should be obvious). Please do not add to the form until the album is out. Just64helpin 21:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wrong album name[edit]

The name of the album is not grduation.Its Impossible—Preceding unsigned comment added by Pctopgs (talk • contribs) 06:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a rather drastic change. What's your source? Zetawoof(ζ) 09:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The true date is Sep. 22!!!!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.137.14 (talk) 01:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i dont care if ur from the future and thats wen its released, if u dont hav confirmation to back up ur report, tell the forums that - NJ Rock—Preceding undated comment added at 02:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The album is actually "The Graduation," not "Graduation," according to the itunes music store... Sfrostee 15 August 07

Conflicting information[edit]

Information in the track listing part of this page conflicts with the written details. (About which songs are featuring who).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.151.48.130 (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

great—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.137.14 (talk) 01:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

release date (January 2007)[edit]

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1&sku=491464

this site states the release date as 7/3/07 and has a cover image, is this accurate? has anyone else heard mention of this? Nicoli nicolivich 17:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Graduation-Kanye-West/dp/B000LSAIMQ/sr=8-25/qid=1168968352/ref=sr_1_25/026-8502299-2306843?ie=UTF8&s=music

second reliable source, im adding it Nicoli nicolivich 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i thot that was for the single cover for "Can't Tell Me Nothing"—Preceding unsigned comment added by NJ Rock (talk • contribs) 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

erm... amazon says 3rd march 2007, and HMV says 24th september 2007, so release date certainly can't be set in stone yet. Chappy TC 20:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The album has been bumped to late August, as of May 30. http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i7d307780238908790004dd38adf90e0e Aleppo1979 22:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bittersweet[edit]

Someone has put that Bittersweet featues Jessica Simpson as well as John Mayer as a joke (but not a very funny one). Please can someone change it? 81.145.240.147 14:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Cover[edit]

That cover is for his new single, not his album. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.247.39.108 (talk) 00:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Bittersweet Leak[edit]

Someone just put up that Bittersweet was just released via internet today, and now its gone. What's the real facts?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.228.47 (talk) 02:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it leaked, im listening to it right now—Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.206.83 (talk) 05:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-Added information on Bittersweet Leak EnishiCZ 11:49 am, June 18th 2007—Preceding unsigned comment added by Enishicz (talk • contribs) 16:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yea it's been leaked for like 2 years. volumesoxxs 09:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Leaked Tracks[edit]

Under "Leaked Tracks" it lists Can't Tell Me Nothing and Stronger, although Can't Tell Me Nothing is a single that wasn't leaked. It's available on Itunes. Spartyboy40 03:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where did Kanye say that Bittersweet won't make Graduation?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.235.146.231 (talk) 05:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

he didnt, at least not yet, someone was upset and unimpressed with the song and thot they wer somehow makin a difference by puttin that in, savvy? - NJ Rock—Preceding undated comment added at 02:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Mayer didnt write Bittersweet Kanye did he performed it 2 years before Graduation was even mentioned. He performed it on Def Poetry Jam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.205.51 (talk) 02:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

STOP CHANGING THE PRODUCERS[edit]

DO NOT REMOVE DR. DRE, JUST BLAZE OR PETE ROCK—Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.198.112.139 (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC) - EDIT: and RZA—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nign0g1 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

only pete rock, jon brion, kanye, n dj toomp are on ther, should i add dre, blaze, n rza?—Preceding unsigned comment added by NJ Rock (talk • contribs) 17:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah Dr. Dre is suppose to be a producer, there was a reference but someone removed it. volumesoxxs 13:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop Removing Bittersweet[edit]

No one has a definite answer on whether or not this track will be on Graduation.. so, until then, please leave it on the Tentative Tracklist table.. Tentative does not mean final.. for those of you unaware/uneducated..—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolcopter (talk • contribs) 22:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed please dont post refrences that are not viable and have not been fully confirmed. thank you75.23.173.5 03:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

bittersweet wont be on it. and the cover should come down too, its all fake. http://www.kanyetalk.com/—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.141.0 (talk) 23:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You wikipedia nazis need to stop removing information, just because YOU dont know if a piece of information is true, doesnt mean it's not true.......—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.17.66 (talk) 06:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bittersweet will not be on Graduation. And all information on Wikipedia is false until proven true. Sources are supposed to be cited. False information is constantly added to the Kanye West articles on Wikipedia and they're becoming extremely unreliable. Kanyekanyekanye 00:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The Homecoming"[edit]

The track is actually called "Homecoming" - no "the". Unfortunately I can't edit the page. Can someone please edit that. Also there are a few tracks confirmed to be on 'Graduation' that are not on that list, i.e., "Good Life" (featuring T-Pain) and "The Glory". Here are my sources: [1], [2], [3] Kanyekanyekanye 00:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Rock?[edit]

No source cited. Can an administrator please remove Pete Rock frm the list of producers. Kanyekanyekanye 16:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye West Impossible[edit]

Someone please get the source about Kanye West puttin his track called Impossible as the 3rd single, and featured on the Graduation album? 02:08, 14 July 2007 69.235.151.242

its not on the album. the third single is 'good life'. p.s. please sign using four tildes ~ Sf2070 23:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Life[edit]

Good Life is the third single so can someone make the page. I would but id do not have the time. Sources are on KanYe Talk—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakkboi (talk • contribs) 23:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Everything I Am[edit]

New song confirmed by Kanye to be on Graduation in an interview: http://www.missinfo.tv/audio/kanye%202.mp3 Someone add it to the tracklisting on the Graduation page please - Paul—Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.249.21 (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Kanyegraduation.jpg[edit]

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Collaborations[edit]

Connie Mitchell of Sneaky Sound System Provided vocals for Can't Tell Me Nothin'. Can someone add her to the features? (RomanZayus 01:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Release Date (July 2007)[edit]

It's coming out August 21, 2007. Check the Roc-A-Fella website. 06:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.219.227 (talk)

Probably isn't updated but if it's correct as is than stories will break today saying the album was moved again. --Ayoleftyz 14:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is updated on the web site. Look past the large moving flash image and you'll see right below it that it's listed as an August 21 release. Blueshoc12 03:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They just havent updated the website yet. It has said August 21 for a long time. There is a recent article on MTV.com with a direct quote from Kanye West stating September 11 as the release date Sf2070 08:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and now kanyewest.com says 9/11. Sf2070 09:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graduation album cover[edit]

Contrary to what some sites are saying, the album cover that is being currently used looks to be official. I don't think Roc-A-Fella would be putting it on their website if it was fake. Click here to check it out. So unless Roc-A-Fella, kanYeTalk or Ye himself says it's fake, it is official but I do understand the Bot removed it for other reasons. --Ayoleftyz 07:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cover seems to be official. Amazon and CD Universe have the same cover. Daniil Maslyuk 10:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KanyeTalk.com seems to have a fancier & more official looking cover, they say it's from iTunes but I haven't checked it out... Mysteryham 07:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yeh its the real thing, can someone upload it?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Parhumrouz (talk • contribs) 07:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

50 Cent[edit]

It should be stated that 50 Cent told the Hip Hop magazine SOHH that he would stop making new solo albums and tracks if Kanye West's new album Graduation sold more then 50 Cent's album Curtis.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.243.168 (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a paragraph on that. --- Realest4Life 23:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release Date (August 2007)[edit]

Kanye decided to change his album's release date because of 50 Cent's threats. This should be noted in the article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechamp2007 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about a source? --- Realest4Life 14:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. http://www.mediatakeout.com/9899/50_cent_wins_kanyes_album_changes_release_date.html—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.54.13 (talk) 02:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that also, however, I didn't see any other website report on this yet, so maybe it's just a rumor, wait a few more days to see if other reputable sources confirm this. --- Realest4Life 03:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mediatakeout makes up fake shit, don't believe it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.231.70 (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, like that "Game & 50 Reunion" bullshit. --- Realest4Life 17:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All right, kanYeTalk.com confirmed that the release date is still September 11, see here. --- Realest4Life 22:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Guest rapper(s)"[edit]

How come it says that Lil Wayne is the only rapper to be featured on the album, when Mos Def is going to be featured on "Drunk & Hot Girls"? --- Realest4Life 00:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because apparently, Mos is just singing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.231.70 (talk) 05:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

there are many ppl going to be featured on the album according to the track listing on the page....—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipset1991 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Originally only one rapper was going to be featured according to Kanye's label, however, similar to the Curtis article, the iTunes track listing says different. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 09:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

iTunes Bonus Track[edit]

Originally, the CRS (Child Rebel Soldier) track was slated to be the iTunes bonus track. Now it appears they have changed it to "Bittersweet." Anybody wanna edit the article for that?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwycliff (talk • contribs) 18:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its been done I think --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 20:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually both of them were there, so I just removed "CRS". --- Realest4Life 23:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

def sounds[edit]

I found a complete different tracklisting at def sounds and a complete different album cover. Doubt its real tho but someone should check it out —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trimy67 (talk • contribs) 03:13, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

How old is that article? Can you give us a link to it? --- Realest4Life 03:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked the Def Sounds website and I couldn't find anything new about Graduation. So it's probably old. --- Realest4Life 03:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

a clean version has leaked[edit]

A clean version of Graduation has now leaked.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayem85 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC) :How do you know? --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 11:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got a copy... chyea. (ScottJohnson20 13:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Me too lol. Time to Share Graduation and Buy CUURTIS!, by the way this should be put in the article with some explanation. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 13:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong they should both be bought Kanye put his haert into this album and he should be paid. If you enjoy the bootleg you should go buy the real. And since curtis will probably be leaked too the if its good you should buy it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debo7 (talk • contribs) 18:59, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

explicit version is leaked too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.192.114 (talk) 17:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is No point of mentioning Curtis in this article, its a terrible album anyway 58.106.158.83 11:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Song Lengths:[edit]

The track 'I Wonder' is 4:03 long, could someone change that please :) 'Big Brother' is 4:47 long, could someone change that too :) Thanks Westyofhull 19:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Westyofhull[reply]

Could you post all of them? lol I cant be bothered to go through all of the tracks --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 19:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    01.     Good Morning (Intro)                 03:15
    02.     Champion                             02:48
    03.     Stronger                             05:12
    04.     I Wonder                             04:03
    05.     Good Life (Ft. T-Pain)               03:27
    06.     Can't Tell Me Nothing                04:32
    07.     Barry Bonds (Ft. Lil Wayne)          03:24
    08.     Drunk And Hot Girls (Ft. Mos Def)    05:13
    09.     Flashing Lights (Ft. Dwele)          03:58
    10.     Everything I Am                      03:48
    11.     The Glory                            03:33
    12.     Homecoming  (Ft. Chris Martin)       03:24
    13.     Big Brother                          04:47—Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.192.114 (talk) 17:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

Someone please clean this up. Especially the following two sentences: "50 Cent later stated that he will stop releasing solo albums if Curtis will not sell more copies than Graduation. However, 50 Cent later stated that he will continue to release solo albums even if West were to sell more albums than him." Just remove the first "later stated." It's sloppy writing and it's driving me nuts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.149.143 (talk) 15:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know. I changed it but the person who wrote it reverted it because they wanted it to be different to the wordingon the Curtis page. See what you think of the version on there. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 16:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album Leak Information[edit]

Ok, There has has been hundreds of adding and removals of this. I think that we should just add that the albums hav ebeen leaked at least untill the official release of the album. It is informative and this is after all an encyclopedia. We can add it and then after the release, remove it. This will reduce the many reverts on this page --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 17:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not. It's not notable to mention regardless if the album hasn't been released. I have discussed this matter on this page and the Curtis talk page. The edit wars are not necessary. Douglasr007 22:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? It's notable enough to have several articles on it. -Mysekurity 03:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, Leaks are important in impacting sales and distribution of the album, the leak of the explicit version of Graduation vs clean version of Curtis have a chance in impacting the final number of albums sold, thus it should be included in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.58.174 (talk) 13:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just going to quote what I said before: "The album leak is not notable because it adds no content to the article whatsoever. Every new album gets leaked today so it's nothing special. The only time where an album leak would be added to the article if it caused something in affect of the album. For instance, an album leak could cause an album to release a week earlier than expected would be a notable mention of the album leaking." Douglasr007 12:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, particularly in light of the impact it will have on sales and the consequences for this competitive interaction with 50 Cent. This info is relevant until the official launch TheDucksNuts 01:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No it's not. The effect of the leak right now is a grain of salt as of right now. Douglasr007 02:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother[edit]

could someone give Dj Toomp production credits on the song kanye west says it himself he produced the record september 03 2007 3:37 PM—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.79.219 (talk) 20:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Give a source and it will be added, otherwise it's hearsay. --Ayoleftyz 20:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

he says "Toomp killed this shit" at the end of the song. 20:39, 3 September 2007—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.79.219 (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I didn't notice that. Let me check it out, if true good looking out and I'll add. --Ayoleftyz 20:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added, thanks. --Ayoleftyz 20:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It could still be a co-production, though. It doesn't matter I suppose, we'll find out in a few days. (RomanZayus 23:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Stronger (Single) credits[edit]

It states in the Stronger CD Single that Mike Dean co-produced the extended Outro so I've added that to the credits.—Preceding unsigned comment added by RomanZayus (talk • contribs) 13:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder[edit]

Sample????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.189.77 (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It samples "My Song" from Labi Siffre. Aleppo1979 14:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but someone has changed it back to "I Wonder" by Jack Jersey. Having looked at the lyrics for the Jack Jersey record, I can confirm that whilst the song has similar lyrics to that of the song sampled on Kanye's "I Wonder", they do not include the lines "If you know, what it means, to find your dreams come true", which are included on Kanye's song. Therefore, the sample is indeed "My Song" by Labi Siffre. I have heard the Labi Siffre record, and it is definitely the correct sample. Bigger_And_Better 16:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Wonder Sample[edit]

I Wonder sample isů Labi Siffre – My Song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.217.195 (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Night[edit]

Jay-Z isn't on that song. It's Al Be something. I don't know his name for sure though. ( cwiggs91 18:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Also, why has this track been removed from the tracklisting on the page? 67.176.14.100 06:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC) Yeh, Al Be Back was In it, Not Jay 58.106.158.83 00:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flashing Lights[edit]

On this blog: http://www.bestfootforward.info/2007/09/kanye-in-his-flashing-lights.html , the author mentions the sample is from Rekid: http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/releases/?id=6715 but doesn't mention which song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.247.113 (talk) 19:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UK Bonus[edit]

Amazon.co.uk also writes this 14. Goodnight (UK/Oz/NZ bonus track) Mark Gubarenko 14:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriting and production credits[edit]

There are a few 'weird' credits, according to the CD booklet: - "Champion" is only credited to Steely Dan, not to West himself too.
- on "Good Morning" and "Can't Tell Me Nothing" Jay-Z and Young Jeezy are featured as guest vocalists, while their songs are not considered as sampled. I imagine that's because they all record for Def Jam.
- DJ Premier is a featured artist on "Everything I Am", he does not appear in the production credits.
- Chris Martin appears as songwriter on "Homecoming", but not as featured artist.
- When possible, I have linked the names with the respective Wikipedia articles. Aleppo1979 15:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that is the thing love is about tomorrow is my field day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.0.208.238 (talk) 00:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blender Review[edit]

4.5 stars, here: http://blender.com/news/comments.aspx?article=9798 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryandombal (talk • contribs) 18:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added, thanks. Daniil Maslyuk 12:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Review edit Request[edit]

http://www.rapworlds.com/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=106441 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddotomen (talk • contribs) 20:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added, thanks. Daniil Maslyuk 12:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Times review[edit]

I removed the review from Professional reviews section, because there are at least three reviews of Graduation there: [4], [5] and [6]. The first review gave the album two stars, while the other two gave three. I know there are people out there who want Curtis to have better reviews, but it simply wouldn't be fair to leave that two-star review at least because the other two reviews gave the album three stars. Daniil Maslyuk 13:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah you're right. I had no idea there were multiple reviews of it in The Times. Spellcast 14:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't precedence be given to the full-length review as opposed to the short blurbs? Anylayman 22:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas Bonus Track[edit]

It's Called 'Good night' and features Mos Def, Source : http://hmblog.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/new-music-kanye-westmos-def-good-night-chamillionaire-britney-spears/#comments —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.52.227 (talk) 13:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"I Wonder" Reference to Stevie Wonder?[edit]

Does "I Wonder" have a lot of reference to Stevie Wonder? The synth strings at the end sound a lot like the Yamaha_GX1 which Stevie Wonder owns (amazingly) 2 of. There are only a handful in the world, and some would say it's a sound that Stevie really used for characterization in tunes such as "Village Ghetto Land" and "Pastime Paradise". Maybe be a subversive nod, but I thought I would point it out. In 2005, Kanye did say: "I'm not trying to compete with what's out there now. I'm really trying to compete with Innervisions and Songs in the Key of Life. It sounds musically blasphemous to say something like that, but why not set that as your bar?"[1] Smd 6710 17:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Jones, Steve (Aug 21, 2005). "West hopes to register with musical daring". USA Today.

Sales Info From Billboard[edit]

I don't think the sales info for Curtis Or Graduation should be included in the articles as of yet. So Sept. 11 release date they said Curtis was neck and neck with Chesney. A day later they wrote Curtis sold 3x what his album sold first day. According to reports I've read Graduation and Curtis are very close. I.E. Curtis is number 1 on iTunes and Graduation is number 2. I think the first day sales just reflect that more of Kanye's fans pre-ordered the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DisDudeIsFly (talk • contribs) 12:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TheDailyYo! Album Review[edit]

Well-known hip-hop blog "TheDailyYo!" gave the album a 4.5 out of 5 rating. Read the review here: http://thedailyyo.blogspot.com/2007/09/kanye-west-graduation-review.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theillestboyee (talk • contribs) 02:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bittersweet Poetry not on UK[edit]

Please remove. because this one is not available on UK cd. Mark Gubarenko 17:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye Crushes 50 Cent In Huge Album Sales Week[edit]

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003642725

Kanye West's "Graduation" (Def Jam) easily leads the star-studded class of Sept. 11 releases, posting The Billboard 200's largest sales total in more than two years. Nielsen SoundScan will show West's album moved 957,000 during its first six days when the tracking service refreshes its charts tomorrow morning (Sept. 19).

Also pumping album volume are 50 Cent's "Curtis" (G-Unit/Interscope), which will lock down the No. 2 slot with 691,000 sold. Kenny Chesney's "Just Who I Am: Poets & Pirates" (BNA/Sony BMG Nashville) will bow at No. 3 with 387,000 copies.

The total for West's "Graduation" is the largest by any album since 50 Cent's "The Massacre" opened with 1.1 million copies in March 2005. West's own August 2005 album, "Late Registration," was the last album to surpass 800,000 copies when it began with 860,000.

While West beats 50 Cent in the celebrated clash between rappers, the real winners are music merchants. With the "High School Musical 2" soundtrack at No. 4 selling 133,000 copies, the top four titles alone account for 2.2 million units, more than all titles combined on last week's entire Billboard 200.

West's new album ranks 15th among all sales weeks since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking in 1991. The double punch provided by "Graduation" and "Curtis" also marks just the second time in that era that two albums have bowed in the same week with totals surpassing 600,000 copies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.71 (talk) 11:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In Italy[edit]

Graduation: 33 http://www.fimi.it/classifiche.asp?idtipo_classifica=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.10.249.136 (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide charts[edit]

Graduation:

Germania: 17 Giappone: 13 Francia: 9 Australia: - Irlanda: 2 Olanda: 11 Svizzera: 3 Stati Uniti: 1 Regno Unito: 1 Italia: 33 Norvegia: 2 Portogallo: - Nuova Zelanda: -

Curtis:

Germania: 1 Giappone: 20 Francia: 3 Australia: 1 Irlanda: 1 Olanda: 3 Svizzera: 1 Stati Uniti: 2 Regno Unito: 2 Italia: 9 Norvegia: 4 Portogallo: 14 Nuova Zelanda: 1

2 hours 4 looking 4 all positions.LOL sorry if the name of countries is in italian, but i live there—Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.10.249.136 (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

The paragrapgh Graduation vs. Curtis says that "Graduation eventually topped the Canadian, Japanese, U.S., and UK album charts", but the table in the Charts section says that its pick position is 13. Who can explain that to me? Daniil Maslyuk 12:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article makes it seems as if 50 won[edit]

The article seems like it was written from a 50 cent fan's standpoint and that he won the battle. Someone please change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.63.38 (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section with the competition was copied from the Curtis (50 Cent album) page, and that page was mainly talking about Curtis' charts positions, indeed, someone should re-write this so the page can have more info on Graduation's chart positions. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 00:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

xxl rating[edit]

When does XXL magazine give its rating for Graduation and Curtis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trimy67 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know, I think they should have released them already. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 17:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reflist[edit]

This album has 17 references, which is enough to justify {{reflist}}. Here are some other albums by completely unrelated artists that use {{reflist}} with less references than this article:

All of these are music albums by completely unrelated artists that use reflist. The references are footnotes, and it makes sense that they be included in a slightly smaller text at the bottom. -Mike Payne (T • C) 13:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{Reflist}} and <references/> can be used on the same number of references. Its only when there are loads of refs that we start to use {{Reflist|2}} or {{Reflist|3}}. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 16:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graduation is not 2001. The current format is easier to read, I don't get why you would want to change it to a version that is harder to read? Because those pages use it? So what? --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 16:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't inferring that use of <references/> versus {{reflist}} had to be made based off the number of references, but I was defending the point of view that you only need to use reflist if you have a lot of references, to save space. This isn't true. The choice is really a stylistic one, the references are just links to pages backing up the claims made in the article, it's not something that adds any additional content and not something that I can see reading unless they clicked a footnote to go to the link. It doesn't make them harder to read at all, it differentiates the text providing information to the additional text just providing links to where you can look that up. If you're having reading it and you really want to for some reason, you only have to hold CTRL and roll the mouse wheel down, and the font starts instantly getting larger. Then when you're done, do the opposite and boom, problem solved. I do agree with starting to use reflist|2 and reflist|3 when there are a ton of them. -Mike Payne (T • C) 19:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. {{Reflist}} is better. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 19:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bittersweet[edit]

The song bittersweet isnt actually on the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyRYoung (talk • contribs) 18:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Night[edit]

Contains Elements from "Omaha Stylee" by 311. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prdgy11 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Morning[edit]

I've seen a video for good morning on youtube, completly animated and it seems like somebody filmed it off a tv of projector, anyways, go check it out tell me if it's official, cause it looks like it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.199.144.90 (talk) 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC) They also sell the video on itunes, i am prettey sure it is Kanye's new single... Coolchriswow (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Album?[edit]

Kanye West - Freshmen Adjustment I believe is missing from his discography.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.186.238 (talk) 02:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. It's not an official studio album. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 02:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good Morning - New Single[edit]

'Good Morning' is the new single from the album Graduation. The music video for it came out today on iTunes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jraz1206ablao (talk • contribs) 02:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a video was made for the song but it's not the album's new single. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 02:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I proposed the Good Morning Page for deletion. I don't think it's needed. Dfnj123 (talk) 04:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Graduation booklet scans[edit]

--Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i believe their should be a mention of graduations inclusion in the rolling stone magazines best of decade (albums) list which i know all his other albums (wikipedia pages) do, but not graduation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.228.101.231 (talk) 08:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NO MENTION OF GRADUATION PLACING ON ROLLING SYONE BEST OF DECADE ALBUM LIST i believe that geaduation should have a mention of its placing on the rolling stone best of decade list. all his other album pages did why not graduation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.228.101.231 (talk) 09:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NO MENTION OF GRADUATION PLACING ON ROLLING STONE BEST OF DECADE LIST[edit]

NO MENTION OF GRADUATION PLACING ON ROLLING STONE BEST OF DECADE LIST ROLLING STONE .COM.AU I BELIEVE IT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED THAT GRADUATION MADE IT AT 45 ON ROLLING STONES BEST OF DECADE LIST. ALL HIS OTHER ALBUMS(PAGES) DID WHY NOT GRADUATION? 2/07/2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.228.101.231 (talk) 09:22, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NO MENTION OF GRADUATION PLACING ON ROLLING STONE BEST OF DECADE LIST i agree with the previous article their should be a mention of the lack of mention of graduations placing on that list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.64.168 (talk) 04:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free content[edit]

Hi- just to let you know that there are a couple of issues with non-free content in this article which should really be resolved before this is ready for GA status. Firstly, the audio samples are of too high a quality- 64kbps should be sufficient. Secondly, the template rationale is not appropriate for the interior album artwork; while the use of the image may well be justified, it really needs a detailed, specific rationale. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 19:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Good article criteria assessment[edit]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Prose is consistently clear, concise and simple. Very little grammatical or spelling errors. Article should (and does) reflect American English where possible.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. WP:MOS is adhered to, e.g. album title is italicized appropriately. The lead is of sufficient length in respect to the whole article length. A consistent style that comprises of detailed narrative that is well-supported by reliable secondary sources is coherent.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. The article features a wide-range of good-quality, reliable sources from well-established news outlets. Claims made in Critical reception are justified.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Nothing too contentious here and all published-opinion has been referenced. Statistics have been supported from reliable sources, e.g. RIAA.
2c. it contains no original research. The lead needs some citations as it has none, but most of the information provided in the lead is later supported in the main body.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. The article's topic is well discussed, even when other albums are discussed, valid comparisons are made with the original article referenced.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). The article is very strong in terms of being on-topic and use of summary style, despite being quite a long article for an album.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. Adheres to NPOV well; demonstrated by the inclusion of constructive critical opinion in the Critical reception section, despite being well-received generally.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. Not a contentious article that has seen much edit-warring, conflict or ownership and the collection of editors responsible for it have co-operated well. Page has had no need for protection.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. All images have valid rationales.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Captions are suitable and relevant.
7. Overall assessment. Graduation meets the good article criteria substantially. Its editors have created an article with detailed and factual narrative that is supported by reliable sources. The article contains both image and sound to engage readers and to inform on a much wider-scale than prose. As said earlier, I think it would be helpful to have some in-line citations/references/sources in the lead, to reinforce any claims that may not be clear in other sections and for general ease. (Pass)

Assessment comment[edit]

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Article requirements:

Red XN A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC) Article requirements:[reply]
Green tickY Start: reasonably complete infobox; lead section with overview of album; track listing; reference to at least primary personnel by name; Categorization by at least artist and year.
Red XN C: all of start and (1) cover art in infobox; (2) at least one additional section of prose; (3) track lengths & song authors in tracklist; (4) a personnel section including all musicians.
Red XN B: all of C and (1) most technical details in infobox; (2) technical personnel in personnel section; (3) no obvious issues with sourcing; (4) no obvious issues with readability, though it may not conform completely to style guidelines; (5) no glaring omissions of information (see some suggestions at WP:ALBUM) or extraneous information, like trivia.

→To reach higher class, the article needs a "personnel" section. For "C" class, this needs all musicians. For "B", it must also include technical personnel.

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment for additional information on article class. To request a reassessment from the Album project, when concerns are addressed, please see "requesting an assessment". --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Kanye West Graduation[edit]

Timbaland actually provided the drums for "Stronger" off of Kanye's Graduation Album. Its pretty well documented — Preceding unsigned comment added by KivaniLuton (talk • contribs) 17:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal[edit]

I propose to merge Champion (Kanye West song) into Graduation (album). I believe that the content in the "Champion" article can easily be explained in the context of Graduation, and despite the album being a GA article it can handle the extra information regarding the sample clearence along with the music video and will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. The critics come from album reviews and one independent source covers the music video. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed/negative review?[edit]

Found this and considered adding it to show reception as generally positive, but is the review classified as unreliable since clicking on the reviewer's name leads to a user profile? --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:45, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Musical style" section seems to be written subjectively[edit]

As I was reading the article, I got the sense that this section was written less like a straightforward explanation of the sound and more like a personal reflection, so I added the "essay-like" template to the top of the section. I noticed it most strongly in the second paragraph. I'm new to WP, so maybe this is how most articles on albums with sections like these are written, but it doesn't seem to be written from NPOV. AnAbandonedMall (talk) 12:52, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AnAbandonedMall I recently went through this section and made edits to help prevent it from reading like an essay, how do u feel about the section in its current state? --K. Peake 06:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 October 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ––FormalDude (talk) 08:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Graduation (album) → Graduation (Kanye West album) – since Graduation (Deen album) an incomplete title. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is acceptable (and would be a good way of clearing up the other dozen PDABs) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since the key motivation for my support vote is that each entry's main title header should not display incomplete disambiguation, I would likewise support Paintspot Infez's compromise proposal in this specific instance as well as in all other such relatively rare instances, per In ictu oculi. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Not a good or stable solution[edit]

The above should be revisited at some point In ictu oculi (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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