Talk:Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war
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Change "The medieval Qasr al-Basha (also known as Pasha's Palace) was left in ruined after Israeli bombardment.[35][34]" to "The medieval Qasr al-Basha (also known as Pasha's Palace) was left in ruins after Israeli bombardment.[35][34]" Thegkz (talk) 12:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BilledMammal: Your edit summary ["Sources generally refuse to attribute blame for the general destruction, though specific instances are attributed"] is factually incorrect as sources that are reliable according to Wikipedia, i.e. Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, Jacobin and The Nation to cite a few examples, have explicitly cited Israel as the perpetrator as a whole, and not in specific instances. [1], [2], [3], [4]. Adding also EuroMed monitor [5]. Not only that but they have called it a cultural genocide. Waiting for your self-revert of the move given the factually incorrect edit summary. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've listed sources that there is also generally a consensus are biased. Less biased sources, such as the Heritage for Peace, decline to attribute general blame. We should keep the title neutral, and provide the detail in the article where appropriate context can be given.
Further, per WP:PCM, The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. It was inappropriate for you to boldly move this article - you should have been aware that such a move would be controversial. BilledMammal (talk) 12:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources provided above are all reliable sources according to Wikipedia and neutrality does not mean censorship of what reliable sources are saying. I took the bold move in alignment with RS per BRD, which is within my right, and your revert, which despite also being within your right, was made contrary to RS. There is no need for this to be controversial as RS are clear, and I would expect better good faith editing here. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose. Per Human Rights Watch, Isreal is the primary cause for this destruction - but thus not the only cause, and thus the proposed title would both be inaccurate and an WP:NPOV violation. Further, the sources presented by the nominator in support tend to be biased; for example, There is a consensus that Jacobin is a generally reliable but biased source. Neutral and reliable sources tend to either attribute the claim that Israel is responsible for all the destruction , or decline to make any claim, attributed or not, about who is responsible. (For example; The Guardian, Heritage for Peace, and the BBC)
See also this HRW report, which says between 10 and 20 percent of rockets launched fall short and hit Gaza, making it difficult or even impossible at times to determine who is responsible for a specific incident. BilledMammal (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done Jamedeus (talk) 17:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
