Talk:Bruno Mars

Which Name Is Correct?

The IMBD says his birth name was Peter Gene Bayot Hernandez. Wikipedia says Peter Gene Hernandez - anybody know which is correct? AncientBrit (talk) 08:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC) Unlike IMBD, we cite sources for just such a question. Our source does not include "Bayot". -Summer<style="color:#0038A8;background-color;white">PhD</> (talk) 03:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Bruno Mars Super Bowl Appearance

The date that the NFL announced that Bruno Mars will appear in the Super Bow should be September 8, 2013, not September 8, 2014. KathyGamgee (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2015 (UTC) *:Broke up with Jessica Caban after Super Bowl 48 - Preceding unsigned comment added by Yolobruno (talk) contribs) 14:52, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Images

Can i do this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruno_Mars&diff=647589684&oldid=647587513 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giubbotto non ortodosso (talk • contribs) 18:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

That file is tagged for deletion, so I'd say no. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2015

In the Philanthropy section, "which gold" should be "whose goal". 209.6.117.77 (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)Mary 209.6.117.77 (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 23:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2015

66.55.206.66 (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Rachel: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.55.206.66 (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the forming of his stage name Bruno Mars- I believe the explanation here is incorrect. I am an avid Bruno Mars fan- and I have seen every interview he has ever done under the sun.. And each time he is asked where the name "Mars" came from... Bruno himself cheekily says that they were "joking around in the studio one day" and that he chose 'Mars' because he is quote "out of this world."

 Not done - The explanation is sourced - albeit I'm not sure how reliable "RapUp" is, it is based on an interview, with a named interviewer. Conversely, you have not cited any specific reliable sources - even if you do we will be left with a "Mars has made different claims as to the origin of his name" situation. - Arjayay (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Personal life section

He has repeatedly said in radio interviews that he doesn't like discussing his personal relationships. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5abquahc2A

His cousin Darayn says he was alwats sensitive about his hair but was always quiet. Darayn MaRd (talk) 03:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Instruments

From my point of view, Mars vocals should not be the only instruments on the infobox. Since he is known for playing the guitar and drums. He has demonstrate those skills several times on the instrumentation of songs and live performances. Therefore, I believe it's only appropriate to add at least these instruments into the infobox along with "Vocals" (he is known by playing others, despite not as relevant as the two mentioned above). It would be appropriate to reach a consensus by soliciting outside opinions, such as a third party. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

For the record, nobody is saying the he does not play the guitar or drums, my issue is he is most commonly known as a singer and not a musician, according to Template:Infobox musical artist I feel that vocals are his primary instrument and any secondary ones should be handled in prose. Mlpearc (open channel) 15:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm aware of that, however the same could be said for Katy Perry, but in the instruments in her page there is the guitar besides the vocals, and that is a featured article. Actually the same could be said for most artists nowadays. The secondary are already on the prose, not an issue. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure there is a lot of articles with long instrument list and they would need adjusting. I'm merely trying to follow the template guideline. The infobox is not a place for complete lists, if Stradivarius also played the spoons and moonshine jug, that information goes in the article not the infobox. Mlpearc (open channel) 19:18, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok, we can live it up to that, maybe more down the road it will be adjusted he may start to bring a guitar everywhere or other instrument. Thank you for your time and effort. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2015

Bruno Mars has sold 12 millions almums, so please change 11 millions to 12 millions.

178.36.171.35 (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 19:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if this source is reliable, but I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Mars_discography.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2015

Under "Other Ventures / Philanthropy" the word "Scolarship" is misspelled. Please change "Scolarship" to "Scholarship" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:FFC0:35:F8E7:7A2A:4107:DEF4 (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2015‎ (UTC)

Spelling fixed. Thx - - Happysailor ^(Talk) 22:45, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

genres

On Bruno's facebook page there is written that he also plays experimental music. Why not add it to the genres section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.52.207 (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Bruno Mars‎

I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Bruno Mars‎. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I have started with a small lead, maybe people will add more info as time goes by I won't have time to do more over the next weeks. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

All of them funk! Vuyolwethu Tomm (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2015

• Universal Motown (formal)

Should read "former", not "formal".

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/formal

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/former

88.107.56.168 (talk) 19:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Yup. Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:59, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Legal Issues

You Forgot to Mention Bruno Mars' September 2010 Arrest. 108.49.73.83 August 17, 2015 10:30 AM.

You can add it if you want to. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2015

Also known as: The Prince of Pop 2.83.116.115 (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Throughout his singing career...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/jul/24/bruno-mars-talks-musical-inspiration/ This article says about 108 million singles and albums so why did somebody write "100 milion singles and albums? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.21.181 (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

It says 100 million, read again. "His total number of worldwide single download sales has surpassed 100 million". - See more at: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/jul/24/bruno-mars-talks-musical-inspiration/#sthash.gq1Ad2wz.dpufMarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh sorry, my bad :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.21.181 (talk) 13:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Typo

In the section "2012–14: Unorthodox Jukebox and Super Bowl XLVIII Halftime Show", on the last line, the word "addition" is misspelled.

Great page, very thorough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.34.169 (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I fixed it. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 22:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

In section "Other ventures: Philanthropy", "Palace in Auburn Hills, Michiga" needs a trailing 'n'.

Semi-protected edit request on 87rd October 2015

In the Philanthropy section, "whose campaign gold" should be "whose campaign goal". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soiledhalo (talk • contribs) 18:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Images need to be switched left/right: under-image textual information directing reader to look at 'left' and at 'right' images are backwards.

2 Artistry vegan

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2016

The following sentence has the wrong date: "On December 2, 2016 it was announced that Coldplay would be headlining the performance in the halftime show for Super Bowl 50 on February 7, 2016." It should be December 2, 2015. Irishpadres (talk) 04:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Done ChamithN (talk) 04:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Kanye West

Kanye West complains about everything and everyone. Is his comment about Bruno Mars really Wikipedia-worthy, at this point? I can't see how it has any bearing on Mars' success or image. Seems like undue attention being given to one individual, who is neither an expert nor a representative of some noteworthy minority opinion or something. It's just West mouthing off as usual and getting encyclopedia'd for it. Certainly West is a notable person, but hundreds of notable people have made comments about Mars. This particular comment is really about West and his discontent with this or that - it says something about *him* - not Mars. Please rethink that section's inclusion here. Thanks.

Strongly agree. Or shall we next go over to the Picasso article and add that Kanye West says he feels like Picasso?Profhum (talk) 06:26, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

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Copy edit needed

The 13 August 2016 episode of The Wikipedia Chronicles podcast found a lot of awkward grammar and phrasing in the article. Guild of Copy Editors? Or can someone here read over the article and clean it up, without outside assistance? -- Zanimum (talk) 15:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

http://thewikipediachronicles.erictoribio.com/podcast/episode74/

@Zanimum: Which article? Discography or the main article? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:28, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Parental information is confusing/unclear

Bruno Mars was born Peter Gene Hernandez on October 8, 1985,[1] in Honolulu, Hawaii, and was raised in the Waikiki neighborhood of Honolulu. He is the son of Peter Hernandez and Bernadette "Bernie" San Pedro Bayot (b. August 14, 1957, Manila; d. June 1, 2013, Honolulu).[2][3] His father is of half Puerto Rican and half Ashkenazi Jewish descent, and is originally from Brooklyn, New York.[4][5] His mother emigrated from the Philippines to Hawaii as a child, and was of Filipino and Spanish ancestry.[4][6] His parents met while performing in a show where his mother was a hula dancer and his father played percussion.[5] At the age of two, he was nicknamed "Bruno" by his father, because of his resemblance to professional wrestler Bruno Sammartino.[7[8][9]

Is his father born in Manila? It seems so based on the sentence structure: "He is the son of Peter Hernandez and Bernadette "Bernie" San Pedro Bayot (b. August 14, 1957, Manila; d. June 1, 2013, Honolulu).[2][3] His father is of half Puerto Rican and half Ashkenazi Jewish descent, and is originally from Brooklyn, New York." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.173.43 (talk) 03:36, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

You don't make any sense in that sentence. Of course not, the date of birth and dead along with the places of his mother is in between brackets, tight after her name. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Seems obvious to me that his mother was born in Manilla. Karst (talk) 15:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2016

Please change the main picture. That was taken in August 2010. Bruno has changed his look after 6 years . Aphex Syntax (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not suggested a copyright free image, that has already been uploaded, to change the image to - Arjayay (talk) 21:41, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

sales

http://www.bet.com/music/2016/11/18/bruno-mars-24k-magic-interview.html This source claims that he's sold 130 million records so far. What about changing sales informations from the lead? And secondly, this article mentions that he's considered as 'The prince of pop'. Do you think it is a good idea to write about it here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 01:16, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

First of all it says "singles", not records (album and singles), so I have to disagree, the information is different. Hoover there is a section with that information more updated as we speak. Secondly, have you found more articles saying he is "the prince of pop"? Because it is coming from only one source. He is not like the king of pop, that has all the sources in the world writing that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:05, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

http://showandtellhawaii.staradvertiserblogs.com/2013/12/13/bruno-mars-is-crowned-2013-prince-of-pop-music-by-billboard/ I found also this source calling him 'the prince of pop' (I don't mean the title but the second sentence from the article).

And I also found tons of sources that claim his sales but all of them say '130 million singles' not records, so yeah, I'm going to wait for suitable source. I will let you know when I will find it :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.116 (talk) 02:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

If you find more saying the prince of pop let me know as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC) http://www.bet.com/music/2016/11/18/bruno-mars-24k-magic-interview.html, I found this one. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:50, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

http://www.cinemareview.com/production.asp?prodid=18262 I found something like this... I don't know what the heck is that but it says 130 million records so it may be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary1853 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Influences

I don't see Rick James in the list. --109.240.117.20 (talk) 03:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Find a source and add it youserlf. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Beatbox

He was caught beatboxing plenty of times, so I think it would be good to add it to instruments section in infobox. If that's enough to source, there are some videos on You Tube: https: //youtu.be/kOHoWbXkGUc https: //youtu.be/-hNOiiaflwA https: //youtu.be/egi7UKS0Gmw https: //youtu.be/bxUu_BIXYgc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary1853 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

A written reliable source would help.

Stereotype section (Neutral?)

I am questioning of whether or not there was some motive to list Bruno Mars being stereotyped in the controversy section. Especially since there is no mention of any public reaction to his statements. I'm aware that he received some criticism of him appropriating black culture while playing the person of color card, something like that. Since none of these are mentioned, I get the uncomfortable impression that the general controversy is him not wanting to fit in the hispanic label, as it could be incorporated within some parts of the article, like the artistry section or the early life section. I feel that this is not ok with Wikipedia's standards and should be put into discussion.100cellsman (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree. If more people would care to join the discussion I don't mind making the merge. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@100cellsman: Can you please take a look at the changes I made? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan:: This is acceptable, Thank you!100cellsman (talk) 23:00, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Off Stage

When his mother died while he was on tour he didn't know what to do he couldn't even perform or rehearse says his cousin Darayn.His brother Eric was quiet along side with Mars.Bruno might have sung his heart out to everyone who came to his concerts he was really quiet.His girlfriend Jessica Caban is a model and they started dating in 2013 Darayn MaRd (talk) 03:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Off Stage

His cousin Darayn has a more closer relationship than any one in Mars's family they might both be 1000 miles away from each other they talk almost every day.On stage Bruno sings his heart out for all the people there but off stage he is quieter than a manique him and his brother.Gim and his brother Eric [his drummer in the Hooligans]have a clise relationship. Darayn MaRd (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2018 (UTc)

Controversies section

MarioSoulTruthFan and I had a brief conversation about this section on his talk page. As per WP:CSECTION, we were talking about trying to rename the section or incorporate the information into the main body. Maybe we could put the "racial ambiguity and cultural appropriation" information in the "personal life" section under a different title ("racial identity"?), and rename the "controversies" section to "feuds" or something for the Kanye West and Tyler, the Creator comments. Personally, I don't think any of the information is that notable, and I would suggest removing at least the Kanye and Tyler comments as insignificant for an article on Bruno Mars, but I do not have a strong opinion about it. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I do not mind the name "racial identity" name. The information regarding both rappers is not notable didn't gather much media coverage. Is not really a feud since Mars didn't really responded except for Tyler to stand in line for "stabbing him". From my point of view, Tyler and Kanye comments should be removed. Its racial identity should indeed be moved to the personal section. Please see the talk page regarding such discussion. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree with what you have said. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

It's been a week with no further discussion, and so I made the recommended changes. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2019

In the 'Achievements tab, change As of 2018, Mars, Ed Sheeran and Jewel are the only artists with two songs to spend at least half an year on the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10. to As of 2018, Mars, Ed Sheeran and Jewel are the only artists with two songs to spend at least half a year on the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10. Taslim Oseni (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done, even though it makes me weep for the musical taste of humanity. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:25, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2021

Lede, third paragraph:

[...] spending a total of 14 and seven weeks atop the Billboard Hot 100 and the UK Singles Chart [...]

Kindly change to either "14 and 7" or "fourteen and seven" (MOS:NUMNOTES: "comparable values should be all spelled out or all in figures").

- 2A02:560:427E:6300:9C8E:F9EE:9BF8:8823 (talk) 14:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Looks like MarioSoulTruthFan took care of this. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

Bruno Mars also moved to chili in 1999, for a job interview. 73.114.71.36 (talk) 16:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox (talk) 23:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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att. MarioSoulTruthFan

At my talk page, you wrote:

I thought that instead of reverting back and forth we could have a formal discussion here. You do have a point, it does say "For the possessive of singular nouns, including proper names and words ending in s, add 's". However, I previously had this discussion with someone else on Wikipedia and we agreed to change some of the possessive forms whenever it was possible since it is quite difficult to pronounce "Mars's", its harder than "pizza's". I also submit most of the articles to GOCE and they don't seem to have a problem with it, since "If a name ending in s or z would be difficult to pronounce with 's added (Jesus's teachings), consider rewording (the teachings of Jesus)." If possible we make the changes, if not we leave it alone. The MOS is a guideline, not a prison and it is still correct to usage the english language.

You need to stop reverting. "Instead of" means my edit should still be up while we have this "formal discussion"; but you just couldn't resist. You've heard editors mention "edit-warring"? That last revert of yours, before you went to the talk page: that's what they're talking about.

The MOS is clear. At Wikipedia, we write "Mars's". The argument that "Mars's" is too hard to say simply isn't going to fly. It is no harder than pizzas, loses, pieces, causes, Porsches, parses, wheezes, forces, farces, Tarsus, surprises, eclipses, or any of a thousand other straightforward English words. You seem to think "Jesus's" is a sort of wild card, entitling anyone to just ignore the MOS at will. It is not. Read the guidance again. It doesn't say that you don't have to follow the rule if you think the word is awkward to say; it just says if you can't bear to write that 's, you can always try a different phrasing. If you want to recast some sentences so that they don't call for the possessive adjective, be my guest. But the bottom line is that any and all instances of "Mars'" that are not direct quotes are getting changed to "Mars's" to bring them into line with our unambiguous house style, and they're going to stay that way until the MOS gets changed.

I don't know what GOCE is, so I can't judge the relevance of their not seeming to have a problem with it. The fact that you prevailed on someone else on Wikipedia to let you go on having your way cuts no ice with me. You are being too possessive of the page, and of Uptown Funk. "The MOS is a guideline, not a prison" is what people say when they feel like disregarding a rule. Not a "prison", indeed: I think editors who feel suffocated because they don't like Wikipedia's comma style, or its apostrophe style, or its dash style—I think such people have chosen terribly small hills to die on.

You will note that the strictness of the MOS varies. On some issues it leaves editors considerable latitude, and on a great many points it has nothing to say at all: write as well as you dare. In cases like MOS:'S, however, it puts an end to pointless, time-wasting disputes like this one by simply declaring what the Wikipedia house style is and leaving it up to editors to be grown-up enough to accept it.

I look forward to your response. Regulov (talk) 11:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I will add that you have reverted a lot more than just "Mars' —> Mars's" edits, without apparent reason. Are those edits part of our formal discussion? Did you even look at them? Regulov (talk) 12:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Regulov You seem quite rude during the discussion, while I was explaining on your talk page the reasoning behind it, henceforth drop that attitude. No, "instead of" means let's try to work this out until we reach a consensus. No, what I did was preventing an edit-waring.

"Jesus's" is not a wildcard and you should see its page on Wikipedia, because it's an FA and its possessive form is without the "'s", an example given on the lead of the page "as the only records of Jesus' life are contained in the Gospels." There is more but see for yourself Jesus. It says that you can rephrase it, not that you have to, not mandatory if the word reads in an "awkward" way. I will let other editors comment on the issue, before any changes.

The GOCE is the Guild of Copy Editors. I did not have my way with that user, I simply explained to him. I really don't understand your issue, it seems that you have an issue with me and not the page. Not really, a lot of people make edits on the page, and if it's a good edit I will let it stay. The strictness of the MOS may vary but not to you, as it seems. I do find it kinda amusing that you only took issues with the two pages you mention above.

I have no idea what you are talking about? If it's about the Uptown Funk page I added the other editor's changes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Not sure where to start here. I do seem rude, don't I? That is because I directed you to MOS:'S, which settles the issue, but you will not accept correction.

The page for Jesus is not material to our dispute here.

"If it's a good edit I will let it stay." This is what I mean: you feel, fundamentally, that Bruno Mars kind of belongs to you. It does not. Loosen your grip.

You are not really reading MOS:'S. You are just seeing what you want to see. It leaves no room for discussion. "For the possessive of singular nouns, including proper names and words ending in s, add 's." Full stop. The name "Bruno Mars" is a singular noun—a proper name ending in s, in fact. So we add 's. "Mars's" is not difficult to pronounce, as I have pretty clearly shown; but even if it were, that would not warrant an exception. The page for Jesus is clearly wrong; but we are not litigating that.

The reason I seem rude is that I am not pretending that you have a good point. You don't have a good point. You just don't like "Mars's". You aren't used to it. It looks funny to you. You feel that you should get to decide what changes get made to Bruno Mars, because you care the most about it. People say that the MOS is just a guideline, so you're going to just ignore it here. But that isn't really what people—reasonable people, anyway—mean when they say the MOS is just a guideline. When the MOS explains carefully and without any equivocation exactly how to do something, it isn't "just a guideline" that you can disregard if you feel like it. It's a rule. Instead of trying to protect "your" page, you're going to have to change your taste. Just accept that "Mars's" is WP's style. Learn to love it. It isn't that hard.

As for my last comment, what I'm talking about is that you reverted a whole series of edits, not all of which were "Mars's" edits, but all of which are defensible, indeed necessary, and all of which are also going to stand, however long this discussion takes. Go ahead and look through the diffs. Do you want to discuss all of them? Or only "Mars's"? Regulov (talk) 13:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't matter where you redirect a user to, rudeness is still a thing. You seem very passionate about MOS:'S. I'm not protecting anything, I let users edit at their own will, add new info, categories, and so on and so forth, very easy to work with as long as there is a source to prove statements, fine. On the other hand, you are not. It leaves room for discussion, therefore the exception of Jesus. You don't decide, neither do I, what is hard or easy to pronounce. For you, it can be easy, for me hard, to each their own. If the Jesus page is wrong, then fix it, I'm sure you don't have any problems with it.

Suit yourself to make them, you know what we are discussing here. It's the possessive form. Like I said, very easy to work with. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 07:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

? I don't know how to respond to this. I'm not going out of my way to be rude to you; I'm just not going to humour you. Have we exhausted your arguments, then? Are we done? Are you prepared to accept "Mars's"? Are you satisfied that the other edits you reverted are similarly uncontroversial corrections? Say the word, and we're finished here. Regulov (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I said you can make those edits as they will improve the aticle, I reverted the possessive form, I did not wish to remove those. On the possessive, we still have an issue. This is my last response, I do not wish to lose more time with this. Have a nice day, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear who is wasting whose time. I've just gone through them all one by one, with summaries, and I had better not have to do it again.

"On the possessive, we still have an issue." No, Mario. We don't have an issue. "Mars's" is neither awkward nor difficult to say. It is perfectly in keeping with the carefully delineated policy. Even if it were hard to say, THERE IS NO EXCEPTION. The guys over at Jesus are doing their own thing; if they arrive at a fragile local consensus to stamp out endless edit wars, that does not tear a hole in the space-time continuum. The Manual of Style is still in force. What is more, the Manual of Style is not a buffet. You can't just opt out of rules you don't like. Listen, Mario, I appreciate your hard work here, and I understand that you know more about the subject of this page than I do, but—forgive me—your English is emphatically not "near-native", as your user page declares. On matters of grammar and style, you need to be a little more ready to relent when it is clear another editor (i.e. me) is better equipped than you to judge. Try not to be defensive; if you just imagine me with a kind face instead of an angry face, I think you'll find there is somewhat less actual rudeness here than it at first appears. Regulov (talk) 08:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Regulov One thing is to have an issue with the possessive form, the other is offending me, my English is just fine. "When a first or second name ends in -s, we can either add ’ or ’s. It is more common to use ’ than ’s." 1. This is common, Mos has a different rule and both are just fine and correct. But you have a problem understanding that and strongly believe I'm wrong. No, I don't need that, that's what you fail to understand. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

You are not entitled to take offence. I have not insulted you. I don't think you are bad or dumb; I just think you aren't showing much self-awareness or grace.

Only the Wikipedia Manual of Style is pertinent to our discussion, Mario. If you believe the MOS is wrong, you should go and work to change it. In that effort—the effort to alter the MOS—you may cite such other authorities as dictionaries and style guides. I'm quite sure the people who wrote and who maintain the MOS will be familiar with them already.

I do, in fact, think you are wrong: I do agree with the Wikipedia MOS on this point, and think that possessives formed from singular nouns should in nearly every case be written with 's. BUT THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT. I accept that contrary practice is widespread, and has been for a long time. I accept that people disagree. I accept that in twenty years the MOS will almost certainly have changed on this point. I accept that there is no such thing as essential grammatical law, and that it's all just the ad hoc gibbering of bipedal apes. NONE OF THAT IS IMPORTANT, EITHER.

What matters here is that the MOS is clear and succinct, and it says that here we write 's. That is all. If you don't like it, you have a choice: you can either work to change it, or you can accept that you're out of step with it and just hold your nose. What you can't do is declare that you don't have to follow it, and that all the pages that fall under your special protection are exempt from it. Regulov (talk) 12:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I have read the exchange you had last year with Ravenpuff, here. That user was correct, not to mention diplomatic, and you did not listen. Your trouble now is that I am not going to go away. I bear you no ill will. If you can muster a successful argument, I will withdraw. But I think that is unlikely.

Your contributions to Wikipedia are primarily Bruno Mars–related. That is good; that is what you do. What I do, mainly, is fix violations of MOS:DASH, MOS:GEOCOMMA, MOS:DATECOMMA, MOS:'S, &c. I'm sure you will agree that I am, in my small way, helping to improve the encyclopedia. I concentrate on these particular peccadilloes precisely because they are so cut and dried. I can just go from page to page, minding my business, pulling weeds.

But I am here to stay, now. As I warned above, you are going to have to learn to abide the house style, because I am going to enforce it. Sorry. In the grand scheme of things, though, it isn't such an onerous burden. You'll live. Regulov (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

One has to commend the efforts you go through. Even going into my archives. Oh well, suit yourself. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

But, Mario, you are the one who told me you and another editor "agreed to change some of the possessive forms whenever it was possible" as support for your position. You and the other editor did not, in fact, agree to that. Regulov (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Regulov, you repeatedly assert that MOS:'S covers this situation, but it has exceptions which could easily apply here. The issue hinges on whether the pronunciation of possessive Mars as MAR-zezz (two syllables) is considered okay or awkward. To me, it looks like you think that it's okay while Mario thinks it is awkward. I bet Mario pronounces it MARz (one syllable).

The exception frequently found in style books is "Achilles' heel"; another is "Jesus' words" or simply "Jesus words" with no apostrophe. Would you say "Bruno Marzezz new album" (two syllables) or "Bruno Marz new album"? I hear a lot of people slightly extend the zee sound to indicate possessive, rather than repeat the zee sound.

When thorny style questions arise, I like to look at the media to see what they are doing. Wikipedia generally follows the sources.

Looking around, I see many sources using possessive s's, but plenty that don't. The ones that don't include the BBC who wrote "Bruno Mars' new video", CNN who wrote "Mars' first song", and Okayplayer which printed "Bruno Mars’ New Album". Noise11 wrote "Bruno Mars’ new band Silk Sonic". TodayFM wrote "Bruno Mars' New Song". ABC News wrote "Bruno Mars' Bass Player". Las Vegas Review-Journal wrote "Bruno Mars’ new video". Rolling Stone wrote "Bruno Mars’ New Music", PopJustice wrote "Bruno Mars' new single", and Baltimore Sun wrote "Bruno Mars' new video". Billboard magazine has at least two of these: "confirm Mars' involvement" and "Bruno Mars' SelvaRey Rum". Esquire magazine hedges their bets by using both versions: "Cardi B and Bruno Mars's 'Please Me' Video" versus "Bruno Mars’ Style".

Clearly, the issue is not cut-and-dried. There is room to maneuver here, and rather than revert others so quickly, perhaps you could start a WP:Request for Comment to establish local consensus on the issue. Binksternet (talk) 20:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I generally agreed with MarioSoulTruthFan and Binksternet on this. As Binksternet has pointed out, multiple sources prefer using one syllable in their sentences. I don't think it's appropriate to use two syllables in the articles. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@TheAmazingPeanuts: and Binksternet thank you guys, I was about to give up with no support. I' ll start one there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

It is not a question of what you prefer. It happens, as I said above, that I agree with the MOS; but it is not a question of my preference, either.

Please, please take the time to read the MOS:FAQ2. Please read it closely. You will be tempted to stop at: "It is not a mandatory policy that editors must assiduously follow." If you continue, however, you will find: "MoS is primarily used for post hoc cleanup by other editors, and for resolving style disputes among editors." I am doing the post hoc cleanup; you and I are having the style dispute.

A little further on: "Some disruptive behaviors that have been sanctioned:

• Editwarring against later editors who 'gnome' the content into compliance with MoS."

That's me they're talking about: I am, mainly, a 'gnome'.

The issue is cut-and-dried. It has been raised and mooted scores of times over the past twenty years at Talk:MOS. The possessive policy doesn't have any exceptions or variations. It isn't like MOS:DATE or MOS:US, which offer more than one way of doing things and just exhort consistency within articles. There is only one rule at MOS:'S.

Other style guides don't matter here. They matter when editors consider changing the MOS itself, of course. But they are irrelevant to our issue here today.

The purpose of the MOS is to extinguish the dispute we are having now. You don't like it because it feels like I am "winning"; but I am just going around bringing pages into compliance with our house style. I am not winning anything; neither are you losing anything. The MOS is not optional. You don't have to know it, and you don't have to hew to it; but you are not permitted to stop another editor from working to bring WP pages into conformity with the MOS, nor to knowingly undo such work later.

We are working on a publication together. That publication has certain baseline rules. At the New York Times, they write, "Mr. Mars". Every time. "Mr. Mars". That's how they do it, because that is how they do it. If a reporter doesn't like it, do you know what his editor says? "Tough." The editor may agree that it's a little anachronistic and stuffy, but guess what? The reporter doesn't get to ignore the practice because he doesn't feel like it. Or, well, he can—at the Post.

I'm sorry, you can RfC all you like, but the consensus is already long established. There is no question that usage is trending in the direction you prefer, and I have no doubt the MOS will one day change. But don't hold your breath. Stability is the point, even at the cost of conservatism.

And I'm afraid just citing the current state of Jesus isn't going to work, either. Regulov (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

RfC the possessive form of Bruno Mars

Should the possessive form of Mars contain only an apostrophe (Mars') or an apostrophe and another 's' (Mars's), per MOS or should this be an exception just like Jesus is and reword whenever it is possible.? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

This discussion properly belongs at Talk:MOS. There is no exception for Jesus. In MOS:'S, the phrase "Jesus's teachings" is in bright green, indicating that it is correct. Whether the page Jesus is currently in compliance with the MOS is immaterial. Believe me, there are lots of pages that need to be fixed.

Please see my comments above. Regulov (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Exceptions can be made. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:11, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Mario. At the level of MOS. Not on a page-by-page basis. And don't tell me I have to fix Jesus first. Two wrongs don't make a right. You are welcome to make your argument for a change to MOS:'S. You are also welcome to get over it. Regulov (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

• Procedural close (Summoned by bot) – wrong venue for this discussion. As a practical matter, you could compromise by rewording, if others agree (which they might not). It might be harder in some other article, but since this is the Bruno Mars article, you could say: "The third studio album", "about Mars's career development", "due to his appearance at the halftime show", "CBS aired Mars's first the TV concert special, Bruno Mars: 24K Magic Live at the Apollo, his first". That said, I see nothing wrong with the way it is now, which is clearly supported by MOS. Time to give it up, or change venues, I think. Mathglot (talk) 00:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. The relevant guideline at MOS:POSS was changed in January 2018 to the format which is being argued here.[1] The RfC proposing the change can be seen at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 140#RFC on forming possessive form of singular names, MOS advice simplification. Previously, the guideline allowed a lot of leeway, and included pronunciation factors. The 2018 change was a slimming down of the guideline, removing almost all the options. As an editor who has been active on Wikipedia for 14 years, 10.5 of them were during the period of looser rules, so forgive me if I've been acting like the old version was in force.

  This all goes to show MOS is a document in flux. Perhaps someone will propose a return to looser rules. Binksternet (talk) 04:58, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

No argument. Doubtless someone will propose a return to looser rules, and with them interminable arguments without the option of clean settlement by reference to rule, as we have mercifully had here. I think such a proposition is unlikely to prevail; the present rule will persist until overthrown entirely in ten or twenty years when the (acknowledged) shift in usage is more definite.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I continue to feel that the pronunciation argument is a canard. "Marses" just isn't hard to say. If people are in the habit of saying "Mars", they may feel "Marses" sounds wrong; but it is not by any reasonable standard unusual. English has an awful lot of final sibilants, and isn't shy about doubling them up. Regulov (talk) 07:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

• Mars's per MOS. No one has demonstrated why this is an exceptional circumstance that would require deviation from the central consensus. If anyone wishes to revisit the central consensus, the appropriate forum would be WT:MOS. 142.163.205.213 (talk) 00:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
• Mars's: no reason for an exception to MOS here. IMO both "Mars'" and "Mars's" are unpleasant, but such is the English language. We have MOS:'S codified as guideline largely to avoid protracted disputes over a decision that will never please everyone. — Bilorv (talk) 13:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
• Mars's: Per WP:MOS as others have already mentioned. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 18:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• Mars's: The MOS is fairly unambiguous on this. --Jayron32 15:04, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2022

Change "When he was five he urinated himself during a performance of Elvis's "Can't Help Falling in Love" " to When he was five he peed his pants onstage during a performance of Elvis's "Can't Help Falling in Love"

Easier to understand. Ianhorse (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done The use of colloquial language in formal writing is not called for here. --Jayron32 15:03, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2023

Addition to the wikipedia pages Category:Filipino people of Caribbean descent|Puerto Rican and Category:Filipino people of Latin American descent|Puerto Rican 128.148.207.82 (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've added a couple of relevant categories. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Genres

i think the genres on the infobox are too much. Bruno Mars is not recognized as a rock or reggae artist. I would suggest to keep it as "pop, r&b, funk" DollysOnMyMind (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@DollysOnMyMind: We go by what sources say. These genres are sourced so they can be included. Bowling is life (talk) 14:54, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

not entirely true. Maximum four genres are allowed by Template:Infobox musical artist, and "rock" and "reggae" are not supported in a proper way to stand where they do DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

It states it is prefer to use between two to four, different from "maximum" allowed. Moreover, both "rock" and "reggae" are supported as genres. However, I'm inclined to agree with Dollys, "Pop", "R&B", "Funk" and perhaps soul as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023

2001:FB1:12F:88AB:E0DB:FADD:7FAB:442A (talk) 10:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

YES THAT NUMBER 4

 Not done: Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

NOT SURE

EYE ON IT AS BABY BRUNO MAR 2001:FB1:12F:88AB:E0DB:FADD:7FAB:442A (talk) 10:22, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Early Life / Family History

Some additional information found online about Bruno’s family and early life

- Bruno’s paternal grandfather Pedro Hernandez was born in Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico and immigrated at the age of 17 in 1946 to Brooklyn, New York.

- He founded and was the leader of the orchestra “Peter Hernandez and his Orchestra”. They performed at El Tropical Night Club in NYC.

https://www.geni.com/people/Pedrito-Hernández/6000000028773697120?through=6000000045158075214

- As a child, Bruno’s father Peter would watch his father Pedro and his orchestra perform with other musicians including Tito Puente.

- He moved to Hawaii when he was 25 years old.

- There, he created the doo-wop group Love Notes as a way of introducing the genre in the state.

https://www.midweek.com/bruno-mars-father/

- Bruno wrote his first song when he was 4 years old.

- Bruno’s mother Bernadette and her family immigrated to Hawaii in 1968 when she was 10 years old.

- Bruno’s maternal grandfather was a singer, and his maternal mother was a dancer.

- Priscilla Presley hired Bruno to open for a tribute to Elvis in Memphis.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/153760/bruno-mars-mom-i-knew-he-was-special-the-moment-he-was-born/ 2804:214:817A:2EF0:DCC8:E277:81CC:7FD2 (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2024

Please add the word "dancer" to this line:

"Peter Gene Hernandez (born October 8, 1985), known professionally as Bruno Mars, is an American singer-songwriter and record producer."

Therefore the line becomes:

"Peter Gene Hernandez (born October 8, 1985), known professionally as Bruno Mars, is an American singer-songwriter, dancer and record producer."

He is known for his dancing skills visibile in almost every video on the web, this fact has to be mentioned in the first lines of the wikipedia page dedicated to him other than in the sidepanel on the right. For reference check this video by PopCrush: Bruno Mars' Best Dance Breaks

Thank you Barbara T07 (talk) 21:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 00:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)