Talk:Al-Fa'iz bi-Nasr Allah

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Did you know... that the Fatimid boy caliph al-Fa'iz bi-Nasr Allah was raised to the throne by the vizier, who had killed his father and uncles?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 18:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will take this on. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion[edit]

Prose Suggestions[edit]

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

Lede[edit]

Suffering from epileptic seizures, al-Fa'iz died at the age of eleven currently merely suggests he died of a seizure, suggest Suffering from epileptic seizures, al-Fa'iz died of one at the age of eleven

Life[edit]

he was mutilated and killed by being beaten to death by the palace women suggest simplifying to he was mutilated and beaten to death by the palace women
@Cplakidas: That is all of my suggestions; a fascinating article. Passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review and the suggestions, Iazyges, they have been implemented. Constantine ✍ 07:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by Dying (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Fatimid caliph al-Fa'iz bi-Nasr Allah was a puppet ruler who came to the throne at the age of five, and died at the age of eleven? Source: Daftary, p. 250 "placed al-Zāfir’s five-year-old son Īsā on the Fātimid throne, giving him the title of al-Fā'iz bi-Nasr Allāh...The sickly and helpless al-Fā'iz died during an epileptic seizure in Rajab 555/July 1160 at the age of eleven"
- ALT1: ... that the Fatimid boy-caliph al-Fa'iz bi-Nasr Allah was raised to the throne by the vizier who had killed his father and uncles? Source: Daftary, p. 250 "Abbās, rapidly becoming convinced that the caliph was conspiring against him, resolved to move first, with the aid of his son. Accordingly, Nasr, luring al-Zāfir to his house, killed him in Muharram 549/April 1154. Abbās, continuing as vizier, then placed al-Zāfir’s five-year-old son Īsā on the Fātimid throne, giving him the title of al-Fā'iz bi-Nasr Allāh."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/al-Mufaddal ibn Umar al-Ju'fi

Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Al-Fa'iz bi-Nasr Allah; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article is well sourced and free of copyvio. Both hooks are interesting and sourced. However, the main point of the first hook--that he was a "puppet" ruler--seems to be only mentioned in the lead. If you add that information to the body with the reference, I'll give the green tick. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 12:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ficaia: Well, he was enthroned by the man who murdered his father at the age of five; not exactly circumstances that would give him any agency. He also was constantly ill, and died at the age of eleven, while under the vizierate of another figure that gained power via military might. This is also mentioned and referenced: "Outside the walls of the Great Fatimid Palaces, Ibn Ruzzik was the actual ruler of the state, and al-Fa'iz was virtually his prisoner". Daftary, in the quote given for ALT0 above, calls al-Fa'iz 'helpless' for precisely this reason. That he was a puppet ruler is a summary of his status for the lede. Constantine ✍ 13:48, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 14:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone else shares Ficaia's concern, just noting here that the source given above (Daftary p. 250, cited in the article after "virtually his prisoner") does explicitly describe al-Fa'iz as a puppet ruler: The last three Fatimid caliphs, al-Zafir, al-Fa'iz, and al-'Adid ... [were] no more than puppets in the hands of their viziers. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]