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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 07:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Shaun Murphy pictured in 2012 (only for ALT hook).
Shaun Murphy pictured in 2012 (only for ALT hook).

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 19:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • 5x expansion verified, no close paraphrasing found. The first hook is a bit niche since the meaning of "qualifier" might not be obvious to non-snooker fans so let's go with ALT1, which is cited inline and verified in the source. This will be good to go once the QPQ has been done. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should be good to go now. Image is fine too. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note to promoter - also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/4465121.stm Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I still prefer ALT1 although ALT2 meets requirements. Apart from being a bit negative (despite the player not being named in the hook), ALT1 sounds more surprising. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifying dates[edit]

Notes on pre-qualifying and qualifying dates:

  • Pre-qualifying started on 6 February 2005 (according to Snooker: Melling aims for the top, February 11, 2005 West Yorkshire and North Yorkshire Counties Publications (England))
  • Some final qualifying round matches were played on 23 March (The Times fixtures, 23 March)
  • Final qualifying round results for Drago, Selby, Maguire, Robertson, Hann, O'Brien, Henry, Pinches were reported in The Times on 24 March.
  • Final qualifying round results for Carter, Hamilton, Milkins, Hicks, Greene, Murphy, Holt, McCulloch were reported in The Times on 25 March; an article says the Carter match was concluded on 24 March.
  • Draw for the last 32 was made on 28 March.(Clive Everton, The Guardian: Sport in brief:Snooker, March 29, 2005)
BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 08:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Copyvio and plagiarism check
  • A couple of phrases about the McCulloch/Dott match occur in BBC sources. Although these are fairly standard wordings that might be expected in writing about a match, I suggest tweaking the article to avoid this overlap. (I think "session, and a break of 111 put him four frames ahead", "but Dott won the next four to take the lead" and "shot, prompting O'Sullivan to ask" should be changed.)
  • I reviewed all matches over 3% on Earwig's Copyvio Detector, no other issues found.
  • Images
  • No issues found.
  • Infobox
  • Wikilink to £ is probably not required.
  • Overview
  • "In the 2005 tournament, 32 professional players competed in one-on-one snooker matches played over several frames, using a single elimination format. The 32 players were selected for the event using the snooker world rankings and a pre-tournament qualification competition" - sources used are from 2017 and 2018 and don't seem to confirm that the format had not changed since 2005.
  • "The event was organised by World Snooker, a subsidiary of the World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association." - I think it was only from 2010 that World Snooker, which the WPBSA is a minority shareholder in, took over the organisation. Suggest amending to just "The event was organised by the World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association" unless there is a source that confirms the original wording.
  • "is the most successful player in the modern era ... having won the championship seven times" - as source is from 2012, what about adding an additional reference something like this as well?
  • "This was the second time O'Sullivan won the world championship, the first being in 2001." - not confirmed by source, as list of winners there only goes back to 2000. (This could be used.)
  • "The 2005 World Snooker Championship took place from 16 April to May 2005 in Sheffield, England" - not verified by source, which is about the 2018 tournament. (The Guardian article from 29 March could be used for this.)
  • "The tournament was the last of eight ranking events in the 2004–05 snooker season on the World Snooker Tour." - not verified by source, which is about the 2018 tournament.
  • "It featured a 32-player main draw that was held at the Crucible Theatre, as well as a 70-player qualifying draw that was played at the Pontin's, Prestatyn Sands, from 13 February to 24 March" - not verified by source, which is about the 2018 tournament.
  • "the 38th successive world championship to be contested using the modern knockout format." - not verified by source.
  • First four sentences of the second para are not verified by sources, which are about the 2017 and 2018 tournaments.
    • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • "This was the 29th consecutive year that the tournament had been staged at the Crucible" - source goes to a 404
      • "..released after the China Open" doesn't seem to be verified by the source, unless the archive formatting is hiding it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • "The number of frames required to win a match increased with each proceeding round of the main draw." - not quite? No increase from second round to quarter-finals. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • 70 players is repeated in the second para which seems a bit soon after the first mention, but OK to retain for precision. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (The archive for "2005 World Snooker Championship Rounds 1 to 4 draw" (WPBSA) appears for me as white on white text which made me think it was blank.)
    • ME too! Wish I had read this and not spent 20 minutes working out where the real archive was!
  • "All 16 non-seeded spots in the main draw were filled with players from the qualifying rounds" and "Players who won round five qualified" -I don't think these were verified by the source explicitly, so I've taken the liberty of adding another reference.
  • "Players were seeded by their world ranking," - not verified by source.
  • Looks like embassysnooker.com is no longer active. Is it a reliable source?
    • Embassy was the sponsor, so seems reliable to me. They would know the costs involved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:04, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tournament summary
  • As most former world champions mentioned have a statement about that included, I suggest adding that Davis was a six-times champion, and references to Doherty and Ebdon being past champions too. (There is a mention of Ebdon at the end of the Final section.)
  • Add refs for round dates, best-of-x and number of sessions. Downer's 2019 Crucible Almanac pages 60-61 could be used for this.
  • "On the resumption, Ebdon won frame 12 to win the match" reads to me like frame 12 was the first of the second session, but it was the second, with Hann winning the first.
  • Add refs for round dates, best-of-x and number of sessions. Downer's 2019 Almanac pages 60-61 could be used for this. (The current source doesn't include all of these)
  • Add the name of O'Sullivan's opponent. (Carter)
  • "won frame 17 in only 30 minutes" - consistent with the source, but this doesn't seem a particularly quick time for a frame to me.
  • Add refs for round dates, best-of-x and number of sessions. Downer's 2019 Almanac pages 60-61 could be used for this.
  • "Steve Davis had made" - reword. Perhaps "reached"?
  • (I was expecting to see The People on a list of unreliable sources, but didn't. No extraordinary or controversial claim is being supported, so use should be OK here.)
  • "Seven-time champion" has already been mentioned twice, suggest removing it here or elsewhere.
  • Suggest adding a few words after "Hendry won the next two frames" as that wasn't the end of it.
  • Add refs for round dates, best-of-x and number of sessions. Downer's 2019 Almanac pages 60-61 could be used for this.
  • Final
  • Add refs for round dates, best-of-x and number of sessions. Downer's 2019 Almanac pages 60-61 could be used for this. (The current source doesn't include all of these)
  • "His best was reaching the semi-finals at the 2004 British Open, before losing 6–0 to John Higgins" not verified by source used. (It verifies that his previous best was a semi-final.)
  • Details of the progress of the final seem a bit brief. What about some details about century breaks?
  • "This was the second time Stevens had relinquished a four frame overnight lead to lose in the final (after 2000, when he lost to Williams) and only the third time it had happened in world championship history." not verified by cited source
  • "All of Murphy's victories came against players ranked in the top 16;" not included in cited sources
  • "Stevens (6), who had finished runner-up" - this is covered in the previous paragraph already.
  • (I don't really like the format of the table for the final, but there's no agreed template we have to use AFAIK.)
  • "Final (Best of 35 frames) Crucible Theatre, Sheffield, 1 & 2 May 2005" not all verified in cited source. Could add Downer's 2019 Almanac pages 60-61 for this.
  • Dates seem inconsistent - did qualifying start on 6th or 13th Feb? The last round end is stated as both 24 and 27 March here. Looks like 24th according to WPBSA source and consistent with reports in The Times
    • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I may be missing something here - it says "The qualifying tournament featured 70 participants and was played from 6 February to 24 March 2005" but then "The first four qualifying rounds were played from 13 February ..." and "the final round was played 26–27 March 2005" BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could wikilink "1991" rather than "1991 champion" (MOS:SEAOFBLUE)
  • State the source for Rounds 2–5.
  • There are a few flags where first use is not with flagathlete (e.g. Pakistan, Belgium, Thailand) but I don't think this actually breaches any MOS - or does it?
      • The jury is out. I will work on it, I just don't want to spend forever fixing the enbolding afterwards is all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • If it's no breach, I suggest leaving it. It's a pretty busy section already, I can't see that having the three letter country abbreviations is going to make it any more legible for a typical reader. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink or tooltip "wo" and "w/d"
  • Looks fine.
  • References
  • Generally look reliable. Any questions are above.
  • Lead
  • "22 years and 265 days old" - not included in article body, uncited.

Lee Vilenski thanks for your work on this article. Initial review is above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've covered the above BennyOnTheLoose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lee Vilenski, that certainly covers off most of the points. There are a couple of items left, which hopefully should be easy to resolve. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As per discussion above I've removed "and it was the 38th successive world championship to be contested using the modern knockout format" - (feel free to restore this if there is a source); and also made some amendments to the qualifying dates. I'm happy to pass this for GA now, Lee Vilenski - thanks for all your work on the article and the responses to my comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk)
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