Talk:Iowa Hawkeyes football

Claimed national championship

I'm nearing completion in my sandbox of a table of sourced claims on national championships by every applicable school. The information and sources must specifically indicate which national titles the school claims and come from the institution itself (either the athletic website or media guide in most cases). I'm stuck on Iowa as I can find no source indicating that they claim any football national championships. They would be the only team that I think might make an official claim (1958) but for which I can not find any source for. Does Iowa make any such official claims and is there any source material to verify that claim is made (not third party like the NCAA Records Book but directly from Iowa)? Any comments would be appreciated. CrazyPaco (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I've got Iowa entered ok now. CrazyPaco (talk) 02:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Seen that the national title claims have been adjusted to state only 1 (1958). However, the media guide used as a source shows that Iowa still claims all 5 in the quick facts section, & further lists those recognitions later in the history section). 2600:1004:B013:CE99:3C85:99C9:3054:B427 (talk) 18:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm confused. If they claim all 5, why does the article not reflect that? Is it just the wording in the media guide not being clear if Iowa is/isn't claiming the 1921, 1922, 1956, and 1960 titles? 66.129.215.250 (talk) 19:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Iowa is somewhat unique in that they won a major national championship trophy for 1958 but (as far as I can tell) do not make a definite "claim" at their stadium.

Their trophy case display of the 1958 Grantland Rice Award is probably enough to claim that year, at least.

The 2022 media guide states:

the Hawkeyes were named national champions by the Football Writers Association in 1958, and by various rating services in 1921, 1922, 1956, and 1960.

and

Mythical National Champions – Iowa football has been voted mythical national champions by different media services on five occasions. 1921, 1922, 1956, 1958, 1960

However those can be read as passive voice "were selected by" rather than true "claims" by the university.

I would prefer to find a stadium sign/banner listing all 5 or just 1958 in order to truly pin down their claim.

I don't object to 5 in the infobox, but an editor has currently made the WP:BOLD change to 1.

PK-WIKI (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The notion that a national championship year needs to be on the stadium itself to be more legit strikes me as really arbitrary. I don't see why putting it on your stadium would ever be the primary way to claim one.

But also, at the Championship Plaza at Kinnick where all the conference title seasons are listed, all 5 of the national title years are listed in bigger and bolder than all the others, which I doubt is a coincidence. Sure theyre listed as Big Ten Champions but between the arbitrary concept of having to have natty years displayed to claim them and those 5 having more prominence than any others, along with everything else said, I don't see any argument to say Iowa "doesn't" claim any of those titles. 2600:1014:B1EE:82F4:C8A9:A578:27F7:9 (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Good info about the Championship Plaza at Kinnick Stadium. Here's one picture I can find. Do you have a better or more complete picture?

The top line is a list of Iowa's First team All-Americans. I can't tell if the second line in big font contains all of their conference championships (out of frame) or only the national championship selection years. If the later, strange that they are annotated as "Big Ten Champions" and not "National Champions". Are the other conference championship years listed somewhere else? In smaller font?

Stadium signage isn't required of course, but it guarantees the claim has thousands of eyes on it every Saturday and is a very public claim by the university. My worry with media guides is that they sometimes list all "major selector" selections, even if the university doesn't first-class claim all of them. Or that the guides were compiled by a very small group of people, or perhaps a third-party publication house, and haven't had the level of athletic department scrutiny a stadium sign claim implies.

PK-WIKI (talk) 00:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

1929 scandal and suspension from Big 10

Why isn't this mentioned in the history section?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GcoaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DEsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4969,502078&dq=iowa+reinstated+to+big+10&hl=en —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.175.61.29 (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agree. Worth doing when someone has the time. See also the Chicago Tribune archive. Iowajason (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Nebraska Game

A "rivalry" exists only when both opponents have demonstrated at least some ability to defeat each other over time. One opponent, Nebraska, has. The other opponent, Iowa, has not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pleeze (talk • contribs) 14:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

whole Nebraska vs Iowa rivalry was a complete joke making fun of both programs. Very unprofessional. I removed it all instead of keeping it someone redo it properly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.110.176 (talk) 22:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

According to the Merriam Webster definition, rivalry is defined as "competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field." Nebraska does lead the series, but Iowa has demonstrated an ability to defeat Nebraska over time. It they hadn't, the Nebraska would lead the series 43-0. I changed the section to Trophy Games instead of rivalries to fit your definition. You need to stop changing the word "rivalry" to "game" in the main article in that section, because all you are doing is making it a bad link.

Rivalries

I question how Minnesota can be called a "program that [is] only marginally worse than Iowa's over time" when Minnesota has won 6 national championships and 18 Big Ten championships and Iowa has won only 1 national championship and 11 conference titles. Curtisjconn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC).

History section reorganization

As UW Dawgs indicated, a reorganization of the history section might help readability. Hoping to start discussion on ways to make progress with that idea. Let me throw out some ideas for discussion. I'll start to implement the ideas below and hope for more input.

First idea is to use subsections rather than just formatting for some of the logical separation that is currently visible in the article. This would help navigability and editability. Judging by the ratings of this article, facilitating editing could be useful to help improve quality.

Second idea is to break into coach based eras. Iowa fans, like most college sports fans, tend to think of eras by coach. What if the table of contents looked like:

1. History
   1. Founding and Early Years
   2. The Big 8 years and return (would require some content not currently in the article.)
   3. Howard Jones era
   4. Big Ten suspension (would require some content not currently in the article.)
   5. Forest Evashevski era
   6. 1960s and 70s
   7. Hayden Fry era
   8. Kirk Ferentz era
2. Notable games and seasons
   1. existing games used as .1 level subsections, instead of just formatting as sections

Third idea is reflected in the section 2 name above. Switch from just games to also include seasons. This would allow more interesting coverage of the 2015 season, including the undefeated nature of the regular season, rather than just the championship game, as well as making the template for main article more accurate in many links. A season section on this article about 2015 could include third level subheads about the Big Ten Championship, the Rose Bowl, and even the turning point impact of the victory over Wisconsin on the season.

Please share ideas on how we can enhance the organization of this area as it does appear the Hawkeyes are judged as not having a top quality page. Iowajason (talk) 00:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

That's a decent breakdown for the history. I think sections 7 and 8 would be disproportionately large compared to the other sections. Can't change their tenure/impact but for length I don't know if that looks as good. BroncoHawk (talk) 07:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:TOOBIG

This article is currently 96.012 kB.[1] WP:TOOBIG gives:

> 100 kB	Almost certainly should be divided
> 60 kB	Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)

Options include addressing non-standard sections and those with sourcing issues. UW Dawgs (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I've updated sources for the helmet stickers. I feel like the design of the uniform having less information than the decals is weird. Although Iowa is known for it's classic/traditional/unchanged look... BroncoHawk (talk) 07:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

First round draft picks

T.J Hockenson was drafted 8th by the Lions in 2019 but is not on the list. 136.33.129.148 (talk) 16:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)