Talk:Benjamin Netanyahu

no mention of calls to jail journalists

why is there no criticism section for one of the top 5 most divisive and criticized political leaders of the last 50 years? This protected page reads like a straight up fluff piece, and there is no mention of any criticisms of this guy.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-06-11/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-says-journalist-should-be-jailed-for-airing-leaked-recordings-of-pm-crony/0000017f-e5de-dc7e-adff-f5ffc6e60000

that is an article published in Israel about the time he called for journalists to be jailed. His own party is looking to prosecute journalists currently, which makes me think it is relevant that he has expressed these types of abhorrent views before. I also think it is telling that the relatively short section of this article relating to Netanyahu's criminal activity is by far the most well sourced portion of this article, and significantly shorter than other portions of this article that only rely on 2 or 3 sources.

Transliteration in lead line

Overwrought and incorrect inline Hebrew romanisation. Never would a Hebrew shva be transliterated as a macronised vowel. Please change Binyāmīn Nētanyāhū to Binyamin Netanyahu in accordance with WP:HEBREW. —Biolongvistul (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 January 2024

Change in name to include real name from Benjamin Netanyahu to Benjamin Mileikowsky “Netanyahu” at the start of the article. This is normally the case for all other people wiki writes about. 203.30.15.48 (talk) 11:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

•  Not done. Not the WP:COMMONNAME, no need to include his former surname in the lede. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Netanyahu's charges and corruption

I came here specifically to learn what kind of legal charges or investigations Netanyahu is facing and I find it kind of suss that the information is not available on his Wiki page. I have heard many times on the news, maybe as far back as five years, that he was caught in some scandal and there was prosecution. In the fall I heard that his trial achedule had been slowed because he claimed to need more time to oversee the "war" in Gaza. But I found no information here. This makes me think someone is doing a whitewash for Netanyahu. Eemstewart (talk) 04:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Spelling change request

I was unable to find an English definition for the word, "pediatricist". Following the link to the Herman Berkovits page, it looks like the word should have been pediatrist. Can someone fix please? Danindenver (talk) 08:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Request to improve IPA

The article states his name is pronounced [binjaˈmin netanˈjahu], but the audio following the IPA in this article sounds more like [bɛnjaˈmin].

The IPA currently in the article suggests his name is pronounced like “bean-ya mean” instead of “ben-ya mean”

I recommend changing the IPA in the article to [bɛnjaˈmin] for a more correct transcription of the name.

I am a Leaf (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

no mention of genocide in Palenstine, not very factual. Will stop using this Biased "source" of information. 82.9.125.177 (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@User:82.9.125.177 have you read the lead? I added it there the day after you commented this, it’s in the 4th paragraph along with other controversies. It can’t be in the 1st paragraph due to Wikipedia policy and it doesn’t fit in the 2nd and 3rd. (The bit referring to trump is about to be replaced with a paragraph on his politics, see “ICJ case” below. As a general rule, instead of complaining about bias you should go to correct it and be constructive

Alexanderkowal (talk) 21:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Succession box needs updating.

Current term is not reflected.
Idyllic press (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

ICJ case

@Totalstgamer I disagree with your reverting of my edit.

The two sentences about the ICJ case deserved the position they had in the article. If a government you are leading gets a case filed against it in the highest international court, that is extremely notable and relevant due to its recency. Also, on mobile it came underneath the info box which is appropriate in my view (it shouldn’t be in the first paragraph).

The reason I created a new section under ‘Biography’ is because this article is ridiculously long. Very few people are going to read all of it. A lead should be short and concise. It makes sense to have a shorter summary of his life first and then go into more detail below.

Please address these points when you have the time or I will add my edit again. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

In retrospect, I can live with it being in the shorter version among context. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps change the section to ‘Biography (summary)’ Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Beginning with the ICJ Sentence, the ICJ case is notable, hence its inclusion in the lede, but whether its more notable than Netanyahu's early life, political career and criminal indictments remains to be seen. If the lead is to be seen as a concise telling of the article, the location of content should be based on context more than our determination of notability. As for the creation of the new section, the article is Gigantic, and the general rule with leads as i remember it is roughly four paragraphs. We can without a doubt discuss a shortened lead (As has been done several times over the last few years), but this would include striking out parts of existing paragraphs rather than creating another section within the article.

Please do not alter the article any further until a consensus has been reached. Totalstgamer (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I agree with your moving of the ICJ case, if his government were convicted then I would expect it to be in the first paragraph.

I do disagree with the length of the lead, I think it would be better organised into a new section called ‘Biography (summary)’. The four paragraphs are too long imo. I haven’t seen another article with such a long lead, usually a paragraph is two sentences. Alexanderkowal (talk) 01:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

They do exist though, especially for controversial individuals. Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Silvio Berlusconi, Boris Johnson to name a few people with four paragraphs, some longer and some shorter than Netanyahu's. Regardless, Any removals need to be made on the basis that the information is plain irrelevant, which doesn't really happen in this lead imo (since we cut that out a while ago). Feel free to propose a revised version and we'll discuss it tomorrow. Regardless, don't alter the lead until then.

Also, the government being convicted wouldn't automatically move it to first-paragraph status, since that's reserved for basic biographical details and it wouldn't necessarily fit with the flow of the lead Totalstgamer (talk) 01:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not saying we should remove any information, I’m saying we should move it to a new section and call it ‘Biography (summary)’, allowing the actual lead to be expanded, although given the convention I suppose the status quo is acceptable Alexanderkowal (talk) 02:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the lead should just be the first paragraph plus a second paragraph on his politics that is factual and balanced (not done by me, I’d be too biased) Alexanderkowal (talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There's no practical reason to do that though. The lead's size is appropriate for the Article's, and there's no real reason to introduce a new section. I say we keep the status quo Totalstgamer (talk) 12:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I really think the first half of the paragraph on his relationship with Trump should be relegated to lower down in the article, and in its place have a paragraph on his politics and brand of Zionism which contrasts the polarising views people have of him. This would segue nicely into the bit summarising controversies. Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The reason I say this is that the status quo means people are left to make assumptions on his politics based on his relationship to trump Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I accept that the length of the lead is conventional Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the part of the lead about Netanyahu's views and relationships is kind of poorly structured tbf. His relationship with Trump is probably not that important and his general views + criminal indictments matter more. I don't really want to write a new paragraph from scratch but id love to hear how you think it could be revised. Totalstgamer (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I think “Netanyahu… Arab states.” should be scrapped or relegated to further down. In its place perhaps start with how his supporters see him, contrasted with how opponents see him, followed by a neutral sentence on his brand of zionism. This will then segue nicely into the criticisms on settlers that’s there already in my opinion Alexanderkowal (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. Feel free to make those changes and i'll give my input Totalstgamer (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Totalstgamer I’m not really knowledgable about Israeli politics and society, I also think I’d struggle to park my bias. Do you feel able to write it? Alexanderkowal (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll write it within the next few days if i have time. Totalstgamer (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Mother's name?

How come Tzila Segal is not listed as mother in the biographical on the right? Blueberryfiddles (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Improper sentence

In a description of economic reforms, there is a sentence that includes "minority stakes ...49%". This sentence has no verb. 71.62.43.59 (talk) 13:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fascist and war criminal

Multiple israeli news media have called him a fascist and he is commiting a genocide and apartheid on the palestinians 86.114.247.130 (talk) 05:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Your point being? If he was not a fascist, he would not be elected. Dimadick (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

How u attack Iran

first Israel is be silent 2407:9E00:12:FC57:BC28:7A33:C006:BA76 (talk) 07:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)